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BusiesT casino gambling day -- in Las Vegas Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Failure Theater: Republicans, Having Already Approved Obama's Iran Sell-Out, Now Hope to Capitalize Electorally at Next Year's Elections Source: Ace Of Spades URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=357890 Published: Jul 15, 2015 Author: —Ace Post Date: 2015-07-15 22:55:03 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 2940 Comments: 57 Via Hot Air, noting Obama is due to welcome Iran into the nuclear club at a presser scheduled for 1pm, also notes they are, as usual, plotting to "win the issue" at the ballot box after deliberately losing the issue in the Congressional roll call: Republicans believe they will win the public relations battle on the deal, which largely unites the GOP and threatens to divide the Democratic Party. Some Senate Republicans are thinking about moving a motion of approval of the deal, believing it would put Democrats in a tough spot ahead of next year’s elections. Such a move in the upper chamber could lead to less than half of the Senate backing the president, allowing for more favorable headlines for the GOP. The House, however, is more likely to pass a resolution of disapproval. A third option is to move legislation sponsored by Menendez and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) placing new sanctions on Iran, which the Banking Committee passed earlier this year and has Democratic support. "All options are on the table," said a Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations panel who requested anonymity. "I wouldn’t take anything off." Republicans will likely use the Iran votes as ammunition on the campaign trail in 2016. Oh I see -- after voting in favor of letting Obama do this, and making it US law, you're now going to run on a campaign of "isn't it horrible what Obama and the Democrats have done here." Go fuck yourselves to hell. You will pass from the earth, and no one will mourn your passing. . . . Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 4. #2. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#0) Repubic leadership in Congress surrendered their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. That's why the emperor can boast about a veto if "Congress" votes the 'treaty 'down (the House of Reps should have no say) . Not mentioned in the deal is that the Iranians are still holding at least 4 US hostages . Not mentioned is the Iranians being the lead state sponsor of terrorism. Not mentioned is the lack of accounting for the lion's share of US deaths in Iraq directly caused by Iranian providing road side explosive devises to our enemies in Iraq. Not mentioned is that there is very little inspection power to verify compliance. Iran certainly got everything they wanted in the deal . The emperor and his flunkies are all over the news saying this was the best deal they could get and the alternative was war . They say this eases tensions in the region. But the only tensions eased are the ones that the Iranians created with their violence and their threats of violence. The Iranians have backed up their threat of violence and their will to use it . Refusing to use violence against the 12ers and their terrorist regime is the one red line the emperor stands by. Go figure . The emperor gets his "legacy " ;a rapprochement with Iran .I still predict he will try some Nixonian visit to Tehran before the end of the term so he can bow to Grand Ayatollah Ali Hosseini Khamenei in person. Here is the legacy he gets from this deal.......,an Iranian nuke in the most volitile region of the world .....the end of any non-proliferation efforts worldwide ....a nuclear arms race in the Middle East ....the end of any US influence in one of the most important regions of the world ....throwing our most reliable ally in the region under the bus and aligning ourselves with a Persian empire that we help create ....throwing our soldiers under the bus who were killed ,wounded and maimed by Iranians and their surrogates going back 30 years .....leaving American hostages behind . Within a decade or 2 the Iranian nuke will be on ICBM warheads . The safeguards he outlined are a joke . For sanctions to return ,a committee that includes Iranian reps will have to approve them . For the Iranian efforts at stalling and digging in their heals ,they are being rewarded with $150 billion ;which if it were in proportion to the US economy would be an $8 trillion infusion into their economy . They won't be using that money to improve the lives of their citizens . What money doesn't line the pockets of the Mullah's will be used by them to continue to export their Iranian Revolution. tomder55  posted on  2015-07-16   7:19:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tomder55 (#2) Repubic leadership in Congress surrendered their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. That's why the emperor can boast about a veto if "Congress" votes the 'treaty 'down (the House of Reps should have no say) . Actually, they can't surrender their authority. You are right that the House should be excluded entirely. This is not a treaty like Trans-Pacific Partnership in which the Senate agrees that a treaty, once adopted, will supersede existing U.S. law. A very serious matter, in many ways as dangerous as a constitutional convention. The Iranian deal is strictly an executive diplomatic agreement between Obama and Iran. It is not a treaty. So Obama doesn't have to pay attention to anything the Congress does anyway. Even if he can't get 1/3 of either house of Congress, he can still proceed. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   8:09:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#3) The Iranian deal is strictly an executive diplomatic agreement between Obama and Iran. It is not a treaty. Cool ,then the agreement can be terminated by the next Congress with a Republican President ;as the 47 Senator letter to the 12ers states. tomder55  posted on  2015-07-16   8:34:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 4. #6. To: tomder55 (#4) Cool ,then the agreement can be terminated by the next Congress with a Republican President ;as the 47 Senator letter to the 12ers states. Yes. But these things are so hard to negotiate, especially with a country like Iran, that no future president would declare it null and void without thinking long and hard about it. Which is why the vast majority of executive diplomatic agreements like this one generally prevail when new presidents come into office. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16 12:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 4. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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