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Title: Exposing How Donald Trump Really Made His Fortune: Inheritance from Dad and the Government's Protection Mostly Did the Trick
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URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/story/15623 ... rotection_mostly_did_the_trick
Published: Jul 15, 2015
Author: Brian Miller, Mike Lapham / Berrett-
Post Date: 2015-07-15 10:21:15 by sneakypete
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Views: 10122
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This excerpt from "The Self-Made Myth: The Truth About How Government Helps Individuals and Businesses Succeed" tells the real story about how Trump got so obscenely rich. By Brian Miller, Mike Lapham / Berrett-Koehler Publishers July 9, 2012

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​Editor's Note: The following is an excerpt from Brian Miller and Mike Lapham's book, The Self-Made Myth: The Truth About How Government Helps Individuals and Businesses Succeed. (Berrett-Koehler Publishers, 2012). ​You can read AlterNet's Vision editor Sara Robinson's review of the book here.

In March 2011 Forbes estimated Donald Trump's net worth to be $2.7 billion, with a $60 million salary. Many praise and analyze his “success” as if it were self-made, and they fail to attribute the proper credit to others in society where it is deserved. Despite what Trump may espouse, his success would have been in no way possible without his father, the general public, and the US government. Unfortunately, Trump decided to forget or selectively ignore these truths while forming his political philosophy, a sentiment made particularly clear during his brief bid for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

Trump was born in New York City in 1946, the son of real estate tycoon Fred Trump. Fred Trump’s business success not only provided Donald Trump with a posh youth of private schools and economic security but eventually blessed him with an inheritance worth an estimated $40 million to $200 million. It is critical to note, however, that his father’s success, which granted Donald Trump such a great advantage, was enabled and buffered by governmental financing programs. In 1934, while struggling during the Great Depression, financing from the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) allowed Fred Trump to revive his business and begin building a multitude of homes in Brooklyn, selling at $6,000 apiece. Furthermore, throughout World War II, Fred Trump constructed FHA-backed housing for US naval personnel near major shipyards along the East Coast.

In 1974 Donald Trump became president of his father’s organization. During the 15 years following his ascension, he expanded and innovated the corporation, buying and branding buildings, golf courses, hotels, casinos, and other recreational facilities. In 1980 he established The Trump Organization to oversee all of his real estate operations.

Trump eventually found himself in serious financial trouble. In 1990, due to excessive leveraging, The Trump Organization revealed that it was $5 billion in debt ($8.8 billion by some estimates), with $1 billion personally guaranteed by Trump himself. The survival of the company was made possible only by a bailout pact agreed upon in August of that same year by some 70 banks, allowing Trump to defer on nearly $1 billion in debt, as well as to take out second and third mortgages on almost all of his properties. If it were not for the collective effort of all banks and parties involved in that 1990 deal, Trump’s business would have gone bankrupt and failed.

In 1995 Trump took Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc. public and received a substantial financial boost from society and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) regulations that enable the market to function. He initially sold 10 million shares at $14 per share and then in 1996 sold 13.25 million shares at $32.50 a share. This initial public offering granted Trump’s company a stability and legitimacy that would have been impossible without millions of people around the world trusting his organization and investing with the hope of shared success.

Despite the clear societal and governmental assistance described above, Trump continues to be outspoken in his criticism of government. In his book The America We Deserve, Trump explains that “the greatest threat to the American Dream is the idea that dreamers need close government scrutiny and control. Job one for us is to make sure the public sector does a limited job, and no more.” This quote proves to be particularly ironic when considering Trump’s feelings about eminent domain laws. He was quoted as saying, “I happen to agree with it 100 percent” when speaking of the 2005 Supreme Court decision on Kolo v. New London, which affirmed the government’s ability to transfer land from one private owner to another for the purpose of economic development in the area. In fact, Trump attempted to take advantage of eminent domain laws on multiple occasions, once even demanding that an elderly widow give up her home so that he could build a limousine parking lot.

Perhaps more disturbing than his hypocritical condemnation of the government is his failure to acknowledge anyone’s contributions, save his own, in the creation of his success. At the 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump made clear his feelings on the creation of his wealth: “Over the years I’ve participated in many battles and have really almost come out very, very victorious every single time. I’ve beaten many people and companies, and I’ve won many wars. I have fairly but intelligently earned many billions of dollars, which in a sense was both a scorecard and acknowledgment of my abilities.” Furthermore, Trump apparently sees no benefit in supporting taxes to maintain institutions such as the Securities and Exchange Commission to regulate the stock market, in which he publicly trades his company, or the court system, which actively protects his property rights: “We are the highest taxed nation—I would tax foreign countries that are ripping off the US and lower taxes for Americans.”

From the moment of his birth, Trump was set up for success. The large inheritance left to him by his father, coupled with the contributions and the protections of society and the US government made his ascension to the Forbes 400 list almost inevitable. Nevertheless, Trump fails to recognize this phenomenon and continues to express his belief that he did it alone.

Copyright © 2012 with permission from Berrett Koehler Publishers.

Brian Miller is the executive director of United For a Fair Economy. Mike Lapham is a co-founder of UFE's Responsible Wealth project. Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Report typos and corrections to 'corrections@alternet.org'. 91 COMMENTS

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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)

Sounds like Trump blackmailed his creditors with a threat of bankruptcy in his biggest bankruptcy back in the Nineties, having made himself too-big-to-fail. So the banksters bailed him out to cover their own potential losses.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-15   10:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#0)

yes ;He's the crony corporatist that everyone complains about .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-15   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#1) (Edited)

Sounds like Trump blackmailed his creditors with a threat of bankruptcy in his biggest bankruptcy back in the Nineties, having made himself too-big-to-fail.

That's how he operates. IIRC,he offered to step down from management of the Trump casino if they would let him keep the perks,but then they had to buy him out because the perks included the private jet airliner and everything else he had before except for rights to sigh checks.

His most recent scam THAT I AM AWARE OF was the gated ocean front condos in Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ocean_Resort_Baja_Mexico

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-15   11:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#1)

Sounds like Trump blackmailed his creditors with a threat of bankruptcy in his biggest bankruptcy back in the Nineties, having made himself too-big-to-fail. So the banksters bailed him out to cover their own potential losses.

Worked for Trump. It did not work for Greece.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-15   11:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4)

It did not work for Greece.

The Greeks have chosen not to fight to the last trench.

The could revive the drachma.

They could turn to Russia.

They would have to sacrifice much, but they could regain their independence.

But they're selling their birthright for a mess of pottage.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   11:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5) (Edited)

I am all for common markets between equals (that is, those that share the same civilization standards) but I am against any form of monetary union. The way the common currency for the EU works is that each member nation gets loans from the EU central bank which is why they need to run a small budget def. of around 3% or the loans dry up.

That will never allow for growth unless it is an export economy - even the USA is not an export economy - how can Greece, Spain, etc be?

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-15   12:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pericles (#6)

Nothing ever works if God's law is forgotten.

For God designed the world to fail, fall apart, die, and inflict horrible evils on everbody who does not use it according to design. The horrors are design features, not design flaws. They are electric fences, intended to shock and harm those who cross them.

Man's idolatry of money and power have pushed us into the electric fence. The calamities our society experiences on account of this are intended by God to be corrective, to remind us of what we ought to be doing.

But people are so estranged from God now that most don't even know what he wants, and will bellow and rage that God wants what THEY want, and that what God ordained "is not practical in the modern world".

They will pretend that what one merely believes about Noah's Ark and Jesus is more important than what one actually does with one's penis and profits. What men say about God's will is practically the diametric opposite of what God actually SAID.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   12:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

Nothing ever works if God's law is forgotten.

It is no accident that the views on debt seem to be ancient and consistent throughout time and different religions.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-15   12:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#0)

Exposing How Donald Trump Really Made His Fortune:

God's answer:

...A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.-- John 3:27 - King James Version

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   13:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Sockratease (#9)

A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.-- John 3:27

Indeed.

And then "To you much has been given. Much is now expected."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   13:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#0)

In fact, Trump attempted to take advantage of eminent domain laws on multiple occasions, once even demanding that an elderly widow give up her home so that he could build a limousine parking lot.

A classic example of Trump, the New York socialite, taking care of his wealthy friends. It doesn't mention if this attempt was successful or not. I honestly am trying to remember if I was ever in a limousine. I think maybe once...my college roommate was the son of a Central American country's president. He let a few of us use it for transportation to NYC IIRC.

Petey, thanks for posting this article to backup your fair Trump criticisms.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-07-15   14:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

The parking lot case was in Atlantic City. It was an eminent domain case. In Kelo, the Republican Supreme Court cleared up such things: OF COURSE elderly widows can be expelled from their homes for the benefit of wealthy tycoons' parking lots, if the city determines that that is likely to bring in more revenue, in one way or another, over time!

Money talks, little people walk. Thus hath the Supreme Court spoken.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   14:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

Thanks for the additional details.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-07-15   14:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

Money talks, little people walk. Thus hath the Supreme Court spoken.

The great Supreme Court whose constituents are Americans and illegal aliens.

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   14:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Sockratease (#14)

The great Supreme Court whose constituents are Americans and illegal aliens.

And who are mostly Republicans appointed by Republicans.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   15:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

And who are mostly Republicans appointed by Republicans.

One of America's greatest principles for both some Republicans and some Democrats:

sellout monkeys appointing sellout monkeys

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   15:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

And who are mostly Republicans alleged Catholic conservatives appointed by Republicans.

More accurate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-15   20:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17)

Yes. Republican politicians select a bunch of alleged Catholic "conservatives", and keep doing it over and over again, because alleged Catholic conservatives are just exactly what the Republican party wants, and is.

The buck stops at the top, and there is no evading full and absolute responsibility as captain of the ship. Republican President after President has appointed one schmuck after another.

This is because either

(a) every Republican President since Reagan has had unimaginable horrible judgment, time and again, just about every time, it would seem…which would indicate that Republican judgment is so bad that Republicans are congenitally unfit to lead…for THEY CHOOSE all of these "conservative" Catholics - really packed the Court with them, didn't they?

OR

(b) Republican Presidents appointed on Catholic "conservative" after another because these guys actually do represent EXACTLY what the Republican Party is, and so are appointed to these specific roles, for life, precisely because the Presidents are wisely choosing to lock in the REAL Republican philosophy for good. And conservative Republicans are just a bunch of duped rubes for thinking that their "conservative" party is really conservative.

Take your pick. Evading Republican responsibility for the decisions and appointments of every Republican President since Eisenhower only flies among the duped rubes. Everybody else holds the CEO and the boardroom responsible, and when a company behaves that badly for that long, they ditch it as hopeless.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-15   23:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

The main fake-out was Catholics pretending they really care about pro-life issues at all. And the collapse of traditional marriage came about politically due to Catholics flipping, not Prots and evangelicals. At least, that was what surfaced in 2014 exit polling that largely set the stage for what has happened since.

Quite obviously Catholics don't at all about abortion or much of anything else except more welfare spending (a variety of your works-based salvation schemes). And you're fine with that, your usual longwinded bloviations about abortion notwithstanding.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-15   23:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#19)

How many Catholics were on the Republican Supreme Court that decided Roe v. Wade?

How many Catholics expanded Roe in Casey?

The Catholics approved Obamacare, which has a moral component: universal health insurance, that is a good thing.

The Catholics approved gay marriage - but all of those opposing it were also Catholic.

Weak Catholics are a bane, but Republicans gave us Roe, not Catholics.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   0:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

Weak Catholics are a bane, but Republicans gave us Roe, not Catholics.

Five Catholic justices is all it would take to overturn Roe, the main reason they were put on the Court.

Roe was a mistake. So are Catholics on the Court.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   0:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

Catholics gave us abortion.

They gave us the false doctrine of praying to Mary.

They also perverted the 10 commandments.

They also blaspheme God by calling the Pope "holy father".

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-16   1:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

(a) every Republican President since Reagan has had unimaginable horrible judgment, time and again, just about every time, it would seem…which would indicate that Republican judgment is so bad that Republicans are congenitally unfit to lead…for THEY CHOOSE all of these "conservative" Catholics - really packed the Court with them, didn't they?

What a load of BS.

Scalia, Thomas, Alito, all appointed by Republicans. All against abortion.

Every Supreme Court Justice appointed by democrats is pro abortion.

You talk a lot about God. But you aren't always right and you're not always completely honest. In fact you are spinning here to protect pro abortion democrats for some reason.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-16   2:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#21)

The Catholics on the Court: Kennedy, Roberts, Sotomayor, Scalia, Alito and Thomas. Three of them are a moral disgrace. Two should be excommunicated for supporting abortion. One has bad judgment. One is shaping up well. One is solid.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   8:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#24)

I find both the conservatives and the liberals on the court make decisions on bad judgements or on stretched reasoning. It seems the only thing each side is looking for is the "win" and not the logic behind it.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-16   8:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Republicans appoint Supreme Court Justices to keep the abortion balance: Kennedy, Souter, Roberts.

Kennedy upheld abortion in Casey. He was the deciding vote.

Roberts gave us Obamacare with its abortion provisions, twice. And Kennedy joined him this second time.

Republicans appointed the majority that gave us Roe 7-2. And Republicans have kept appointing a pro-abortion working majority.

They just talk a lot about being pro-choice to dupe people like you. And they succeed.

I never support pro-abortion anybody. But I hold pro-abortion Republicans PARTICULARLY culpable, because that party claims to be pro-life...but appoints the justices that keep Roe intact.

I recall nominee Romney was the one Republican in the field who would not sign the pro-life pledge.

By calling the Republicans what they are: scum, I am not supporting Democrats at all. Democrats are babykillers. The difference is that Democrats are up front about it. Republicans gave us Roe, and then Republicans carefully chose justices to preserve Roe on the court. For all of these years since 1973 Republicans have controlled the court, and have appointed Justice after Justice...and have connived to keep the pro-abortion balance. For each Scalia there's a Souter. It's by design. We need only look at Romney and Bush to see what the Republican Party really is.

I suppose it is easier to call me dishonest and to keep repeating the idea that I'm pro-Democrat than it is to face the truth. Because if you face the truth you will have to change. You will have to abandon people you thought were your friends and allies, but who are in truth faithless and who only serve money and power.

Perhaps one day you will open your eyes.

"Lord, open the King England's eyes." - Tyndale, before he was burnt at the stake by order of Henry VIII for translating the Bible into English.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   8:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

blah blah blah. Fact. Every democrat appointee favors abortion. Only Republican appointees have been against it.

Despite your blah blah blah.

Democrats blocked bork and that resulted in Kennedy.

You can't know everyones heart when you appoint them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-16   9:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Catholics gave us abortion.

They gave us the false doctrine of praying to Mary.

They also perverted the 10 commandments.

They also blaspheme God by calling the Pope "holy father".

God sent Mary as emissary, and thousands of medically documented healings have occurred at Lourdes, where Mary appeared.

"Can Satan cast out Satan?" - Jesus Christ.

God uses Mary as an emissary. This is not in the Bible, because he didn't do it in Biblical time.

Jesus told people to pray to the Father, and that's what we should be doing.

The Ten Commandments were given to Hebrews on Mt. Sinai. In that form, they are not binding on anybody but them. However, Jesus made it clear what sins will earn a man the Lake of Fire. His list does not correspond to the Ten Commandments, though it overlaps somewhat. The Ten Commandments are not binding on Christians. Laws against killing, sexual immorality, idolatry, pharmakeia and cowardice are.

Jesus did not say that calling a man "father" was blasphemy. He said that men should not call spiritual leaders "father", for there is only one father. He also said that there is no one good but God. It is not blasphemy to say of, say, Reagan, "He was a good man". It is simply an error, according to Jesus. For none is good but God.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   9:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

blah blah blah. Fact. Every democrat appointee favors abortion. Only Republican appointees have been against it.

Yes, Democrats are babykillers. The party is evil.

But before Reagan, it was a Republican Supreme Court that gave us Roe in the first place.

And with Reagan and since Republicans have appointed two pro-abortion justices to the Court: Kennedy and Souter, and a third in Roberts, who upheld state funding of abortion via Obamacare.

You want to judge Republicans on their lying rhetoric. I judge them based on what they DO.

They are evil snakes and liars. Walk with them if you must. I certainly am not going to persuade you to stop. There is none so blind as he who refuses to see.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   9:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Republicans appointed the majority that gave us Roe 7-2. And Republicans have kept appointing a pro-abortion working majority.

What a ridiculous argument.

Back in the Sixties and Seventies, Republicans were as liberal as Democrats. There was a sizable Dem pro-life coalition back then. Nixon and Ford were as liberal or more liberal than Jimmuh Carter.

Reagan in '76 and '80 was the first national pro-life leader. Roe was decided in '73 when there was hardly any pro-life movement at all outside of some muttering Catholic clergy in a handful of states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   12:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#30) (Edited)

What a ridiculous argument.

Back in the Sixties and Seventies, Republicans were as liberal as Democrats. There was a sizable Dem pro-life coalition back then. Nixon and Ford were as liberal or more liberal than Jimmuh Carter.

Reagan in '76 and '80 was the first national pro-life leader. Roe was decided in '73 when there was hardly any pro-life movement at all outside of some muttering Catholic clergy in a handful of states.

Regan legalized abortion in Cali before Roe V Wade and it was barely an issue then. Many think Reagan was just using the pro lifers because while he claimed he was pro life he kept them at a distance. No photo ops - called in on rallies instead - a tradition of distance while claiming support that Bush continued.

Also, Reagan passed gun restriction laws as Cali gov also.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-16   12:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pericles (#31)

Regan legalized abortion in Cali before Roe V Wade and it was barely an issue then. Many think Reagan was just using the pro lifers because while he claimed he was pro life he kept them at a distance. No photo ops - called in on rallies instead - a tradition of distance while claiming support that Bush continued.

Back then, presidents were expected to stay out of the public limelight on such policy issues. So were justices. It was a far better practice than to allow high officials leeway to pander shamelessly, as Obama has done and as two USSC justices did when they chose to perform gay marriages and then sit for the gay marriage case before the Court while pretending to be objective (as though they would, in effect, declare themselves as having performed illegal gay marriages).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   12:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#32)

"Back then" Democrats were aggressively pursuing their policies. And so were Republicans. Republican policy has always been about money and business. The social issues have all along been boob bait for Bubbas.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-16   13:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#1)

"Sounds like Trump blackmailed his creditors with a threat of bankruptcy in his biggest bankruptcy back in the Nineties, having made himself too-big-to-fail. So the banksters bailed him out to cover their own potential losses."

He can't do that. Only Greece and GM can do that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   18:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#1)

"Despite what Trump may espouse, his success would have been in no way possible without his father, the general public, and the US government."

From the same people who brought you, "You didn't build that."

Yet when one of his ventures failed, it was 100% Donald Trump's fault.

"Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   18:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite (#35)

From the same people who brought you, "You didn't build that."

Well, it is from AlterNet and "Brian Miller is the executive director of United For a Fair Economy."

I'm thinking you weren't all that surprised, considering the source.

Trump's net worth has gone way way up over the years. He had a lot to start with but has multiplied it many times over. He's on third base but was born on first base. Neither his father nor his grandfather, both pretty successful in real estate, ever approached Donald's stature and fame.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   19:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

"The parking lot case was in Atlantic City."

Her home was literally right next door to Trump's casino. We wanted to buy her home and turn it into a parking lot.

I don't recall the numbers exactly, but I believe her home was worth $100,000? Trump ended up offering her $1.6 million. No deal.

Later, she sold her home to some guy for $800,000. Shortly thereafter, Trump closed the casino.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   19:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#0)

"In March 2011 Forbes estimated Donald Trump's net worth to be $2.7 billion ..."

Four years later it's $10 billion. Did his daddy give him an additional $7.3 billion? Maybe he got a tax refund from the government. I know. The people gave it to him.

'Cause we all know "his success would have been in no way possible without his father, the general public, and the US government."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   19:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative (#36)

"I'm thinking you weren't all that surprised, considering the source."

Hmmmmm.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   19:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#38)

In March 2011 Forbes estimated Donald Trump's net worth to be $2.7 billion ..."

Four years later it's $10 billion. Did his daddy give him an additional $7.3 billion? Maybe he got a tax refund from the government. I know. The people gave it to him.

No,he is just a pompous gasbag and a liar.

No doubt the 10 billion impresses you,even if it isn't real.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-16   23:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#37)

Later, she sold her home to some guy for $800,000. Shortly thereafter, Trump closed the casino.

She never sold it. She died,and it was sold at her estate sale.

Trump didn't close the casino. They bought him out after he bankrupted it,and part of the deal was his name be removed from it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-17   0:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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