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Title: U.S. Has Established a State Religion: What Now for Christians?
Source: American Thinker
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/arti ... n_what_now_for_christians.html
Published: Jul 12, 2015
Author: Fay Voshell
Post Date: 2015-07-13 22:52:28 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 14934
Comments: 61

The rainbow colors lighting up the White House immediately after the Supreme Court’s decision to legalize gay marriage seem to indicate loyalty to a new flag of faith that signifies supremacy over the traditional stars and stripes of the American flag -- or any other flag, including the Christian banner.

The acts of our president and the decision of the Supreme Court are strong indications the current administration and SCOTUS are disregarding entirely the First Amendment and are setting up a state religion based on sexual identity politics.  Their actions endorse a cult characterized by an extraordinarily reductionist view of the human being, who is now to be defined only in terms of sexual inclination and practice.  Absolute sexual “freedom” now heads up a new Bill of Rights.

Now the federal government will proceed to do everything possible to promulgate the new faith. 

Some may protest, saying the Left’s promulgation of the LGBT movement as well as the federal government’s endorsement of the special interest group has been and still is about civil rights. 

Not so. 

The extremists of the LGBT movement display all the characteristics of a cult-like religion, including opposing critical thinking, severely penalizing any opposition, demanding complete and unwavering acceptance of its doctrines, putting loyalty to the cult above family and any other institution, including the Church, disallowing any member the right to change one’s mind and leave or seek change without dire consequences, as well as essentially demanding complete capitulation of conscience of doubtful converts. 

Just as importantly, the LGBT movement deals with ultimate questions belonging to theology. The movement holds to theological doctrines concerning the nature of the human being, sexual identity and behavior, the definition of marriage, the family and the place of children, the role of government, and the transformation of traditional American institutions and documents adhering to Christian principles, particularly the Church -- and the US Constitution. It has set itself up as a new sexual orthodoxy that usurps the place of orthodox Christianity and Judaism.

In brief, the establishment of the new state orthodoxy, the genesis of which can be found in ancient pagan phallic cults, is the culmination of several generations of efforts to displace Christianity and Judaism in America. Now that the modern sexual creed is woven into the very fabric of the executive and judicial branches, both will accelerate attempts to promulgate the sex cult, increasingly targeting Orthodox Christians and Jews.

As noted, the LGBT movement is characterized by severe and draconian reductionism.  Only one aspect of what it means to be human – sexuality -- is emphasized.

Reductionism is always tyranny’s handmaiden.  People are much more easily categorized and then punished when they are seen through only one prism or measured by only one characteristic such as race or sexual proclivities.  Dissenters are far more readily judged to condemnation by only “incorrect” belief. That is why tyrannical ideologues take one or two favorite doctrines deemed as infallibly central to their power plays, separate people out according to belief or disbelief in those tenets, and then punish or completely eliminate any who oppose them.

The litmus test of the new creed can be race, a single ideological tenet, or the equivalent of a password. “Are you more than 50% Jewish?”  “Do you believe in Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book?”  “Stomp on this image of Christ.” 

No? You are anti-government and a threat to civil society. Justified oppression awaits you.

The new state sanctioned cult also has its litmus tests.

“Will you or will you not bake a cake for our gay wedding and thus participate in a service of a faith that is in diametrically opposed to your own beliefs?”  No?  You are fined $135,000 and must obey a gag order. 

“You object to having your sixth grade daughter fitted with an IUD?”  You must adhere to a strange morality diametrically opposed to the tenets of our cult.  You are a Christian? Your parental rights and your consciences are overruled by what your little girl and we choose.

“You don’t want your children to receive lessons on anal sex and incest?  You object to your school’s goal to teach students about homosexual, bisexual, and transgender identity?”  You probably should be visited by Social Services.

Very importantly, the new passwords and litmus tests of the new American state religion will make it relatively easy for a tyrannous United States government to persecute and prosecute the Christian Church, raiding it for its wealth by taxation and eventually seizing its assets, much as Henry VIII confiscated the wealth of the monasteries when he made himself the supreme head of the Church of England. 

All that has to be done is to apply the sex cult’s litmus test to pastors and the congregants: “Will you marry same sex couples?” An answer in the negative will automatically make the church and every member within an enemy of the state and therefore worthy of exploitation of assets and, ultimately, complete destruction. 

Hyperbole?  Scarcely. 

History is replete with efforts to make the gods of the state ascendant and without competition, complete with forced compliance to new mores, dictates and “rights,” sexual and/or otherwise.  The question of “Will you marry same sex couples” amounts to the older, perennial challenge to dissidents of any era: “Will you bow down and worship Caesar?”

Caesar has many guises by which he has time and again attempted to enter and conquer the sacred temple, bringing his statues and religion with him.  So there is nothing new in the attempt of the LGBT movement to insert the doctrine of gay marriage as a scared rite within the Christian Church, forcing the Church to alter one of its most sacred ceremonies in order the liturgy and doctrines be retrofitted to the new dogma.

After all, Jews of the Maccabaen era found out just how far Caesar would go when Antiochus IV decided to destroy them and their religion, supplanting Judaism with Greek culture, including Greek mores and Greek gods.  As Bible History Online relates: 

“The most radical Hellenizers felt that things were not moving fast enough.... It was now the goal that Judaism was to be destroyed. In the mind of Antiochus to be un-Hellenized was stiff-necked nonsense. If Judaism stood in the way then Judaism was to be destroyed so he gave the orders. 

“The Syrian army marched into Jerusalem and many of the people were killed and others escaped to the hills…Orders were given: NO Sabbath, NO Holy Days, and NO Circumcision. A Statue of Zeus/Antiochus was placed in the Temple above the altar. The most detestable animals (the pig) were brought and sacrificed on the altar.”

The outrages of Antiochus IV would be repeated by Caligula, who proclaimed himself a god.  He sent Petronius with an army to Jerusalem to place his statue in the very Temple of the Jews.  Petronius was to kill all who opposed the emperor’s decrees.

In modern times, Caesar -- in the guise of fascism, communism, Islamism and progressivism -- has demanded and is demanding Christians and others who will not worship the contemporary gods of their particular religious movement bow down and worship the gods of the State or be destroyed.

Once again, but this time here in America, the whole culture is to be fundamentally transformed by worship of Caesar’s gods.  Violence toward dissenters is and will be the inevitable result.

Need we look far for contemporary examples of how Caesar’s newly established sex cult demands all bow down and worship?  Lifesite News reports:

“Businesses that disagree with gay marriage are being forced to shut down. Churches in Denmark have been ordered to perform gay weddings. Our tax dollars are used to fund Pride Parades that are starting to look like public orgies. The Sexual Revolutionaries are not, for the most part, about living and let live—only look at the Trinity Western University case.  They are about compulsory acceptance. Sexual rights, in other words, take precedence over all other rights.”

Bryan Fischer warns American Christians may soon be disqualified from holding public office:

“Mark my words on this. The ultimate outcome of this unconscionable act is that one day, before too long; it will be officially illegal for Christians to hold public office in the United States.

“How will this happen? It’s simple. Every holder of public office takes a solemn and sacred oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Liberals will argue that since June 26, 2015, our Constitution has been amended to include the right to marriage based on the infamous crime against nature.

“The left will argue that if an individual is not prepared to swear that they wholeheartedly support sodomy-based marriage, they have no right at all even to take the oath of office. An individual’s opposition to same-sex marriage will be (falsely) interpreted as opposition to the Constitution itself.”

It is clear that just as in the days of the hellenization of the Jews, just as in the days of the Caesars and all the rest of history’s tyrants, the battle lines are being drawn.  The Christian Church will be required to stand for orthodoxy or be reduced to exile and ultimately total irrelevance.

But can Christians fight, even when in exile?

The answer to that question is, “Yes.”  They must.

The Church can remember it is called to resist earthly authorities when those authorities exceed their God-ordained limits.  Civil disobedience is a means of resistance against those who would force the Church to go against its conscience. 

In Philadelphia, Liam Goligher, the pastor of Tenth Presbyterian Church, which the author regularly attends, has written about Tenth Presbyterian’s response to the SCOTUS decision:

“We believe that God will use this challenge to purify his church in the world. There are already conversations afoot to take away our non-profit status, which will undoubtedly have a huge effect on our work. Already there are threats that if we oppose the ruling of the Supreme Court we will be held guilty of hate speech. So be it. Our consciences are tied to the Word of God and we must stand there.”

In so writing, Dr. Goligher and others  -- Franklin Graham among them-- standing against the predations of the State against Christian orthodoxy and conscience, echo the words of Martin Luther, who when called on to recant his “heretical” position, said:

“Unless I am convicted by scripture and plain reason -- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils for they have contradicted each other -- my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise, God help me. Amen."

All Christians who adhere to orthodoxy and to their consciences, be they pastors, theologians or congregants, will find an example in the apostle Peter.  When he was told to shut up and stop preaching and standing for the truths of Christianity, Peter the Rock said, “We must obey God rather than men.”

At one time Christians in America were free to say, “We must obey God rather than men.”  They were even free to put into practice the belief “We must obey God rather than men.” There was great glory in that belief.  There were great deeds and great reforms stemming from it, as the abolition and civil rights movements were to reveal.

Now, under increasing duress from the State concerning religious liberty, Christians must stand and say it again and again and again:

“We must obey God rather than men.”

Fay Voshell is a frequent contributor to American Thinker.  Her articles also have been published in online magazines such as National Review, RealClearReligion, PJMedia and many more.  She has been interviewed about her articles on talk show radio and has given lectures on politics and religion. She may be reached at fvoshell@yahoo.com

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#1. To: Deckard, redleghunrt, All (#0)

The Church can remember it is called to resist earthly authorities when those authorities exceed their God-ordained limits. Civil disobedience is a means of resistance against those who would force the Church to go against its conscience.

Not when the Pope and Obmama are now kissing cousins.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-13   23:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SOSO (#1)

The head of the Church is Christ, not a pretender in Rome.

Don  posted on  2015-07-13   23:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Don (#2)

So you are going to lead the Christian revolution?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-14   1:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

U.S. Has Established a State Religion: What Now for Christians?

What Now for Christians?

Answer: Prayer and meek subserviance while telling one another evil will be punished and subserviance will be rewarded in a hypothetical next life.

rlk  posted on  2015-07-14   1:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard, out damned spot, Willie Green, TooConservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Pericles, sneakypete (#0)

Now all those who complained about Constantine should rejoice - Christians returned to the position they had before him.

A Pole  posted on  2015-07-14   2:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SOSO (#3)

How did you reach the idea that I am going to lead a "Christian revolution?"

Don  posted on  2015-07-14   6:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#0)

These actions of the US government have little to do with establishing a "religion." The actions are the anti-thesis to religion and religious freedoms, however. HELL, there are not even any underlying morals or codes of morals for both personal and social responibilities.

The cracks in the US Constitutional foundation are being laid, and pretty damned fast.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-14   6:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk, liberator, tomder55 (#4)

Answer: Prayer and meek subserviance while telling one another evil will be punished and subserviance will be rewarded in a hypothetical next life.

Well...Maybe some people who call themselves Christians and Americans.

However, there are still some left who remember this country was founded by Christians:

Fighting Parsons

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-14   22:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: redleghunter, rlk, liberator, tomder55 (#8)

However, there are still some left who remember this country was founded by Christians:

So what?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-14   22:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO, redleghunter, rlk, tomder55 (#9)

("However, there are still some left who remember this country was founded by Christians")

So what?

So what??

To deny our history and heritage and those whose faith in large part founded and established this nation is to deny who and what we are (as well as who and what *you think you are.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A Pole (#5)

Now all those who complained about Constantine should rejoice - Christians returned to the position they had before him.

On what planet?

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Don, SOSO (#6)

SOSO: "How did you reach the idea that I am going to lead a 'Christian revolution?'"

Yeah, I'm also a bit curious as to how and why SOSO arrived at his presumptive conclusion.... *no answer yet?*

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo, Deckard (#7)

These actions of the US government have little to do with establishing a "religion."

Are you kidding??

It can't be any more clear -- the new official "State Religion" of the USA is worshiping secular humanism and homosexuality at the altar of the Presidential Seal in DC.

The cracks in the US Constitutional foundation are being laid, and pretty damned fast.

Every DC pol and their staffers are ALL used jackhammers and wrecking balls these days. The USCON is falling faster than the WTC towers on 9/11.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#10)

So what??

To deny our history and heritage and those whose faith in large part founded and established this nation is to deny who and what we are (as well as who and what *you think you are.)

No-one is denying anything. The Christian heritage of our country now-a-days is irrelevant, if not lost. About half of the population does not have any philosophical, moral, ethical, intellectual or cultural connection to our Founding Fathers and their vision for the country, and this percentage will continue you to grow as the demographic of the U.S. follows its current trajectory.

At least half of the other half have been properly brainwashed thru the K-12 education system - and that percentage as well will continue to grow. The other half that might remember that this country was founded by Christians are being ridiculed and trivialized and will disappear entirely in the next 20-25 years. Then no-one alive will remember much about the Christian influence on the founding of the country (it will not be taught in the schools) and probably not much about the foundings of the Christian religion either.

Sorry if you do not like the facts but they are indeed stubborn things. Hopefully we will get to live the rest of our respective life still relatively free from the mandates of the secular progressives. FTR I am not at all optimistic about that.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   13:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#12)

How did you reach the idea that I am going to lead a 'Christian revolution?'" Yeah, I'm also a bit curious as to how and why SOSO arrived at his presumptive conclusion.... *no answer yet?*

The Church can remember it is called to resist earthly authorities when those authorities exceed their God-ordained limits. Civil disobedience is a means of resistance against those who would force the Church to go against its conscience.

Well if not the leaders of the Christian church on Earth (of which the Pope is one of the most influential) who will lead this revolution of earthly civil disobedience? Either of you? Or do you believe that Chrst will physically lead it?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   13:21:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#4)

Prayer and meek subserviance while telling one another evil will be punished and subserviance will be rewarded in a hypothetical next life.

I shouldn't be surprised, but still am; You remain an enigma -- like most self-enlightened "intellectuals." As a man who toots his horn at the high degree of your discernment of logic, rationale, wisdom and knowledge, you still haven't ANY idea of how Christianity and the Gospel works. Yet simple men do. Have you considered walking into a Baptist or Evangelical church and asking a pastor to help address what seem to be haunting riddles?

On one hand I empathize with your frustration in failing to comprehend so crucial an understanding that affects your eternal soul as your mortal clock winds down; on the other hand, you must take full responsibility and concede your shortcomings and lack of humility to He who is greater than you....and openly ASK for such understanding. It's the only way, Robert.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: SOSO (#15)

Well if not the leaders of the Christian church on Earth (of which the Pope is one of the most influential) who will lead this revolution of earthly civil disobedience? Either of you? Or do you believe that Chrst will physically lead it?

The Holy Spirit will act through those whose hearts are open and called to "lead" in whatever manner we hear our respective mission. You yourself may find yourself at the forefront. How? When? We won't know until we are moved.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SOSO (#14)

The Christian heritage of our country now-a-days is irrelevant, if not lost.

I disagree.

Just because the media colludes to manipulate and control the message and lies does not bury who we are, what we are, AND our heritage.

About half of the population does not have any philosophical, moral, ethical, intellectual or cultural connection to our Founding Fathers and their vision for the country, and this percentage will continue you to grow as the demographic of the U.S. follows its current trajectory.

This is true. But it doesn't erase the rest of our heritage, belief, and our ability to inform others of American history.

At least half of the other half have been properly brainwashed thru the K-12 education system - and that percentage as well will continue to grow. The other half that might remember that this country was founded by Christians are being ridiculed and trivialized and will disappear entirely in the next 20-25 years. Then no-one alive will remember much about the Christian influence on the founding of the country (it will not be taught in the schools) and probably not much about the foundings of the Christian religion either.

Sadly and pragmatically, you're right. Of the majority. That still leaves millions who won't forget, won't ignore the past, will NOT surrender. Some will roll over and surrender. That is their burden and curse.

Yes, the NWO Agenda is bearing fruit. Plenty of it. And the wheat will be divided from the chaff.

Sorry if you do not like the facts but they are indeed stubborn things. Hopefully we will get to live the rest of our respective life still relatively free from the mandates of the secular progressives. FTR I am not at all optimistic about that.

I understand the facts all too well. The progessive, fascist-global mandates will increase. Our optimism and expectations will have to be reasonable, and certain lines in the sand drawn. OR ELSE ALL IS LOST. (and IMO all will NOT be lost, while the reward will be great.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   13:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator (#17)

The Holy Spirit will act through those whose hearts are open and called to "lead" in whatever manner we hear our respective mission. You yourself may find yourself at the forefront. How? When? We won't know until we are moved.

Are you saying that the Ghost has failed to act yet and is biding time? And if and when the Ghost does act he Holy Ghost will then have to act through people. If not through the people of leadership position in the Christian church(es) then who? Let's be careful here this sounds as if this could be a great opening for the AntiChrist to take the lead under false pretenses.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   13:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: SOSO (#14)

The Christian heritage of our country now-a-days is irrelevant, if not lost.

Few people who call themselves Christians actually fit the bill.

Kluane  posted on  2015-07-15   13:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#18)

Just because the media colludes to manipulate and control the message and lies does not bury who we are, what we are, AND our heritage.

Our hertigage is dying off. It is not being passed on in any significant degree. It is becoming fragmented, disenfrancised, mocked, trivialized and driven out of the public education and very fabric of our social institutions. It is not inconceivable that the secular progressives will even seek to actually physically purge Christianity from the public dialogue and even private thought. You are free to disagree but that makes poorly armed for the revolution that you preach. What is the modern day equivalent of lions?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   13:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Kluane, Liberator (#20)

The Christian heritage of our country now-a-days is irrelevant, if not lost.

Few people who call themselves Christians actually fit the bill.

You get the message. Thanks.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   13:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SOSO (#15)

You sound like the people who expected Christ to lead a revolution and when Christ ended up crucified, He had to be a fake because He didn't act like the image that they had of Him. He didn't establish His Kingdom then and expell the Romans. They assumed a lot. God had His plans worked out and He didn't pay any attention to the plans of His detractors.

You have your assumptions and your plans. That doesn't mean God has to follow your plans any more than He had to follow the plans of humans two thousand years ago.

Don  posted on  2015-07-15   13:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#16)

you still haven't ANY idea of how Christianity and the Gospel works.

Speaking of someone who is clueless as to how Christianity and the Gospel works:

'In a Chicago Sun-Times interview, Obama called the Apostle Paul a bigot, because of Paul’s contention that sin was still sin; and, in the same interview, he [Obama] claimed “there are many paths to heaven.”'--http://clashdaily.com/2014/08/ugly-history-enemy-enemy/

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   14:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Sockratease (#24)

0blabla called the Apostle Paul a bigot...

Amazing. And yet the media yawns...

Isn't it amazing how this rogue traitor is NEVER called out as a phony "Christian," "American," OR heterosexual?

The truth of the matter can ONLY be explained thusly: OUR perverted Illuminati-controlled media (YES, Illuminati!) is far more successful at propaganda and mind-control than Pravda or Goebbels ever imagined.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   14:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Kluane, SOSO (#20)

Few people who call themselves Christians actually fit the bill.

I find it sad -- if not humorous -- that some people still cannot define "Christian" OR "Gospel" while draped in gold chains and crucifixes, soaked in "Holy Water" and Sterno -- while distorting the truth out of habit rather than exception.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   14:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SOSO (#21)

Our hertigage is dying off.

It is not being passed on in any significant degree. It is becoming fragmented, disenfrancised, mocked, trivialized and driven out of the public education and very fabric of our social institutions.

That depends on whether "heritage" is defined by "history"? Or the re-education camps that now teach subjective perception. Those who are in positions to continue teaching the truth ARE being expunged from the media and academe -- that's no surprise. Just the breadth and degree of speed at which it is happening.

It is not inconceivable that the secular progressives will even seek to actually physically purge Christianity from the public dialogue and even private thought.

We've been discussing just that here in several threads.

You are free to disagree but that makes poorly armed for the revolution that you preach. What is the modern day equivalent of lions?

I'm NOT "preaching revolution." But the faith, body, and soul WILL be defended in this nation. Just how that manifests itself remains to be seen.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   14:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Don, SOSO (#23)

You sound like the people who expected Christ to lead a revolution and when Christ ended up crucified, He had to be a fake because He didn't act like the image that they had of Him. He didn't establish His Kingdom then and expell the Romans. They assumed a lot. God had His plans worked out and He didn't pay any attention to the plans of His detractors.

Nicely articulated.

You have your assumptions and your plans. That doesn't mean God has to follow your plans any more than He had to follow the plans of humans two thousand years ago.

In these Last Days, God and the Holy Spirit will bestow upon the faithful and His people a unique strength and power. We will know what to do, when to do it. "Thy will be done."

"Interesting times," indeed.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   14:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#19)

Are you saying that the Ghost has failed to act yet and is biding time? And if and when the Ghost does act he Holy Ghost will then have to act through people. If not through the people of leadership position in the Christian church(es) then who? Let's be careful here this sounds as if this could be a great opening for the AntiChrist to take the lead under false pretenses.

Good and challenging questions.

To repeat, "Thy will be done." As to whom the Holy Spirit speaks, who knows? We have leaders right here at this forum. Could be you. Could be me. Could be the least of us. The Lord need not pin any special symbol on the lapel of His chosen.

Yes, even the elect are deceived in the Last Days. This is why prayer...prayer for wisdom, for strength, for guidance will be more important in the coming days.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   15:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#26)

some people still cannot define "Christian"

You have to do more than talk the talk......

Kluane  posted on  2015-07-15   15:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Don, Liberator (#23)

You sound like the people who expected Christ to lead a revolution and when Christ ended up crucified, He had to be a fake because He didn't act like the image that they had of Him.

WTF? Here's your comment that elicited my response to you:

"The head of the Church is Christ, not a pretender in Rome."

You put Christ at the head, at the lead. Don't try to BS pin that on me. I made no statement whatsoever about my expectation about who might lead the Christian civil disobedience revolution. But I do not believe that it will be Christ in the flesh. Likely not even a Martin Luther type but more of a Ghandi or MLK type - if anyone at all (which I think is more the reality). There will not be any meaningful Christian civil disobedience, much less revolution UNLESS Christ in some manner intervenes to lead one through His chosen operative on Earth. I do not pretend to know His mind. He may decide to just cede dominion of all things earthly to Satan and continue to save the faithful that merit it.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   16:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Kluane (#30)

You have to do more than talk the talk......

All you do is "chug-the-jug."

*yawn*

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-15   16:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SOSO (#31)

I do not pretend to know His mind.

You don't have to pretend if you are one of the inner group:

...But we have the mind of Christ.--1 Corinthians 2:16 - New American Standard Bible, NET Bible, American King James Version

After reading numerous posts here today, I am quite convinced there are some of the "inner group" posting right here at Liberty's Flame.

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   16:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#14)

No-one is denying anything. The Christian heritage of our country now-a-days is irrelevant, if not lost. About half of the population does not have any philosophical, moral, ethical, intellectual or cultural connection to our Founding Fathers and their vision for the country, and this percentage will continue you to grow as the demographic of the U.S. follows its current trajectory.

Apply the context of rlk's post along with the context of my response.

Should clear things up a bit.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-15   16:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#32)

You just proved my allegation. Thank you.

Kluane  posted on  2015-07-15   17:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#34)

Answer: Prayer and meek subserviance while telling one another evil will be punished and subserviance will be rewarded in a hypothetical next life.

That's you answer?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   17:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Sockratease (#33)

After reading numerous posts here today, I am quite convinced there are some of the "inner group" posting right here at Liberty's Flame.

Please identify them.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   17:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: SOSO (#37)

Please identify them.

And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.--Matthew 27:14

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   17:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Sockratease (#38)

Please identify them. And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.--Matthew 27:14

OK, Bunky. Live long and prosper.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-15   17:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SOSO (#39)

OK, Bunky. Live long and prosper.

Thanks SOSO. God has promised me that I will live long and prosper: John 3:16

Sockratease  posted on  2015-07-15   17:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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