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Title: Trump: I'm not thinking third party -- for now
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t ... -party-for-now/article/2567803
Published: Jul 8, 2015
Author: Byron York
Post Date: 2015-07-08 09:52:00 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 978
Comments: 25

Donald Trump's 2016 presidential run seems custom-made for a third party. The billionaire developer has never held political office, never run as a Republican or Democrat. He doesn't need a party's money-raising apparatus. His anti-politician appeal — "Politicians are never going to bring us to the promised land" — cuts equally against Republicans and Democrats. And as far as Republicans are concerned, Trump appears to connect with GOP voters who are so disgusted with the party's current Washington leadership that they would be open to a third-party campaign.

But in an interview Tuesday, Trump said he has no interest in running as a third-party candidate, at least for the moment.

"I've had many, many people ask me about running as an independent," Trump told me in a telephone conversation. "My sole focus is to run as a Republican. I'm a conservative Republican."

"My sole focus is to run as a Republican," Trump repeated, "because of the fact that I believe that is the best way we can defeat the Democrats."

When I asked Trump to elaborate on why he would stay in the GOP, Trump cited his rising position in the polls, the big crowds he attracts, and his profile in the race. "We've hit a nerve," he said.

Still, Trump could hit a nerve as a self-funded independent. And as an independent, he would not be subject to the "three tickets out of Iowa"-style analysis that can put pressure on candidates who don't succeed early. So why tie himself to the GOP? "I believe I'm the only one who can beat Hillary Clinton," Trump explained. "Having a two-party race gives us a much better chance of beating Hillary and bringing our country back than having a third-party candidate."

At that point, I asked Trump about Ross Perot's third-party run in 1992, in which Perot won 19 percent of the popular vote. Did Trump believe Perot was a spoiler in that election?

"Totally," Trump said. "I think every single vote that went to Ross Perot came from [George H.W.] Bush...Virtually every one of his 19 percentage points came from the Republicans. If Ross Perot didn't run, you have never heard of Bill Clinton."

In the course of a brief talk, Trump made a strong case for staying in the Republican party. But he left the door ever so slightly cracked at the end, when I asked if he would definitively rule out a third-party run. "It's something I'm not thinking about right now," Trump said, "because I'm doing well within the Republican ranks, and that gives us the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton."

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#17. To: TooConservative (#0)

What Trump ought to do is run hard, with his mouth wide open, throughout the primary season: build support in every state, get Republicans behind him - and angry at the other Republican candidates.

Get independents excited too.

Then, if he gets the nomination, go beat Hillary.

And if he doesn't, declare that his campaign will continue and take himself and his apparatus and most of his motivated voters, and the independents too, right out of the GOP.

And then, as an Independent, call on Democrats to abandon useless Hillary and join him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   10:58:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

The dream of Perot never dies, eh?

Unfortunately, that is just a way to elect another Xlinton. Perhaps the only way another Xlinton can win the WH.

Frankly, I find it a little disingenuous that you pretend to take Trump seriously. You know quite well what an arrogant, impulsive gasbag and carnival barker he really is. I assume your new enthusiasm for Trump is primarily just your longstanding desire for unending GOP defeats, even assuming that Hitlery will pack the Court so full of liberals that all the things you say you oppose most (abortion, sodomy marriage, etc.) will certainly become ironclad constitutional law.

And spare me your third-party fantasies. The American system is far too resistant to any third-party. Third parties only succeed in dividing enough votes to elect the opponent the partisans oppose most (Republicans voting for Perot in '92, Dems voting for Nader in 2000, etc.).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-10   11:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#18)

I assume your new enthusiasm for Trump is primarily just your longstanding desire for unending GOP defeats, even assuming that Hitlery will pack the Court so full of liberals that all the things you say you oppose most (abortion, sodomy marriage, etc.) will certainly become ironclad constitutional law.

Not completely true.

Yes, Trump is a carnival barker, but I agree with what he has said recently. And the Republicans and Democrats are both wrong on that very issue.

I would prefer to see Trump in the White House over Clinton, Sanders or any Republican.

The Supreme Court full of Republicans has ALREADY given us abortion law and made it ironclad, given us Obamacare - twice!, given us Kelo, given us gay marriage, given us the unending parade of disasters since 1969. So you can emote away on how the Democrats are "worse", but in the real world, ALL of the disasters we have had imposed on us by the Court since 1969 have been imposed by Republican nominees, and I blame it on the Republicans, not the Democrats.

It is true, I really hate the GOP and I want to see them defeated every time. I don't like the Democrats because they're authoritarian babykillers, and I don't want to see them win either, but given what the Republicans have done to this country through their Supreme Court and their idiot economics - and their unending refusal to face reality on the need for the social safety net - I do generally want to see them go down in flames now, even though I voted for them year after year. I was a duped rube, and I know it. I once was blind, but now I see. I see and I hate, even though that means the Democrats win, and I despise them too.

That is why I look for a third party, an Independent, something to break the monopoly of the crapweasel Republicans and their Democrat homologues.

I do believe that robust public education, Social Security and health insurance are absolutely fundamental features of the necessary infrastructure. I find Democrats agree with that more than Republicans.

I don't support the wars, which both parties do support.

I don't support abortion, which the Republicans gave us and pretend to oppose, and which Democrats support.

I don't support illegal immigration or a path to citizenship. I do support an amnesty with back-taxes and residency, but never the vote, ever.

I don't support militarism, the empire, the prison state or the drug war.

I don't care about gay marriage or gun laws. I don't "oppose sodomy marriage most". I don't CARE about it.

I support eliminating the tax codes and replacing them with a unitary gross wealth tax.

I'll spare you my third party fantasies. I see no prospect of them. What I foresee is the victory of social insurance, which means the continuation of universal public education, eventually extending to college education because of the crushing debt burden, and the establishment of universal single-payer health insurance, and the continuation of Social Security and Medicare, as well as poverty relief (food stamps, Medicaid, etc.) These things are necessary, and I see my view progressively winning over time.

I do not see a victory ever on the cards over abortion. I see that it will continue on and on. But I do see the "on demand in any trimester" aspect of it being eventually limited.

I think gay marriage is here to stay, and I don't care.

I think gun control will gradually increase, as shootings continue and the Hispanics come to replace the aging whites as the political majority. Eventually the whites will be a minority and gun control will be imposed. I don't really agree, but I care as much about that as you do about Independents.

Over time, I see the population of the USA being replaced by Hispanics, due to immigration, birth rate, and white contraception and abortion. It makes perfect logical biological sense that this should be so, and it does not offend me. I understand Spanish ok, and I share a base religion with these people, and find them more generally friendly, agreeable and "like me" than angry Protestant yahoos whom I find impossible to get along with or form any permanent alliance with - because they are totalitarian in their ethos. Their religion is demanding, but illogical, and accepts all sorts of hypocrisies regarding money, power and history that I won't overlook. They obsess about features of Catholicism they don't like, and once again, I don't particularly care.

So, as I look forward over the next 50 years of my life, I see a country that gradually evolves my way in every important thing except abortion, and I am untroubled by it. But I'd prefer to see it change more rapidly, and in really right directions - and that's not going to happen with secular Democrats.

So I keep TRYING with Catholics, and Orthodox, and the Protestants. That's what this is all about.

But I've been doing this long enough to know it's a fool's errand. Still, I'm a fool enough to keep it up.

And truth is, the Republicans have just been so obviously, so nakedly and visibly awful in the past few months, especially with the Republican Supreme Court's decisions on gay marriage and Obamacare, that when I go after them and point out WHAT THEY ARE, I have gotten more head nods even here than before.

The jig is up for those shitstain Republicans and their crony capitalist party. Conservatives who currently vote for them have a choice: form a new party, or be ruled by Democrat policies for the rest of my life.

I'd PREFER that conservatives be reasonable, because there's a lot better way to provide the social safety net and defense and law enforcement than the heavy-handed Democrat way. But if they won't be, if you're just going to cling bitterly to the Republican Party like an idol, well, then you're just going to lose and lose, and then lose some more.

I'm going to keep losing on abortion and the empire, get half a loaf on the social safety net. It's not great, but it looks like I have to live with it.

We could have better, but for that to happen, we'd need a new party, because there's no hope of it getting done with the Republicans or the Democrats.

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