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Title: Greece should adopt a flat sales tax and end income taxes
Source: http://libertysflame.com/
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Published: Jul 6, 2015
Author: Pericles
Post Date: 2015-07-06 15:11:54 by Pericles
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Views: 1001
Comments: 9

Greece is a country of small shop owners and wealthy billionaires but few workers in corporate systems where they get paid by a twice weekly check like in most of Western Europe and the USA.

The Greeks have also been ruled by many tax greedy empires and have learned to hide wealth as part of their DNA. They won't dutifully pay taxes like a German or Scandinavian (who seem like a very servile people and seem to obey the govt as if it was God).

Greeks can't be ruled easily. That is why they invented democracy because ruling them in any other way just did not work. Even the Romans gave up trying and made the Greek city-states autonomous for the most part.

Through years of rule by Romans, barbarians and Turks the Greeks have learned to avoid the tax collector in ways limited govt Republicans can only dream of.

Greece's current revenue collecting system - created to be inline with the policies of the EU is not suited for that country.

Greece is better off adopting a sales tax approach to revenue collecting. It can even have different percentage values for off seasons to boost slow downs. For example, charge 15% sales tax in July and August during the high tourist season and charge only 10% tax January and February. The rest of the months can be at a 13% level.

This would encourage vacationers to book hotels and tour packages in the winter and it is good for business because they will arrive in the summer and spend money to be taxed at the higher level. It will also allow people to do more business in the off tourist season - I can envision property sales happening more in winter than in the summer for example.

The national sales tax instead of an income tax would encourage thrift and savings as well. Inheritance of property would not be taxed as it is now.

Would this boost revenues? We would not know until it is tried. Because Greeks cheat on income taxes and make most of their money in untraceable cash - the sales tax - with a paper receipt - is the only way I think you can get Greeks to pay taxes in a way that is somewhat traceable. Russia had the same problem with tax collecting from a population not used to paying taxes. They adopted a flat tax. The Russians also earn income from nationalized raw material exports. The Greek raw material export is really its tourist sector which is still a gold mine for them.

In any case, under the current EU euro austerity system such experiments are not possible.

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#1. To: Pericles (#0)

Greece already has a 23% VAT. PLUS an income tax of 32%. And the employee contribution to social security is 16%.

Half their paycheck is gone before they see a dime of it, and 23% is taken from what little remains every time they buy something.

Hey, this is YOUR kind of country.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-06   15:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Greece already has a 23% VAT. PLUS an income tax of 32%. And the employee contribution to social security is 16%.

Half their paycheck is gone before they see a dime of it, and 23% is taken from what little remains every time they buy something.

Hey, this is YOUR kind of country.

Did you read what I wrote? End all current tax systems and initiate a flat sales tax. I mean you do read-a the English, right?

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-06   15:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pericles (#2)

"Did you read what I wrote? End all current tax systems and initiate a flat sales tax. I mean you do read-a the English, right?"

Sure I do. I read that you wanted to eliminate current taxes totaling 70% of income and replacing that with a flat sales tax of 15%.

But I thought you were kidding.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-06   17:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#3)

Greece can't collect taxes because it is not sure what anyone earns. A sales tax would solve that problem but I would not be able to tell you if that would increase incoming revenues.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-06   17:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4)

"Greece can't collect taxes because it is not sure what anyone earns."

If you work for a company they do.

Plus there's that 23% VAT in Greece -- which is a sales tax administered at each stage of production and more secure than a sales tax of the end product.

Many on this forum have supported either a sales tax of 23% or a VAT of 23% in lieu of an income tax for the U.S. Others argued that we'd end up with both a tax on the product and an income tax.

Lo and behold, that's what happened in Greece. They have both and it still isn't enough. Demonstrating that it's not an income problem. It's a spending problem.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-06   18:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite, Pimpicles (#5)

Demonstrating that it's not an income problem. It's a spending problem.

Gotta love those Socialists..

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-07-06   20:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pericles (#0)

Greece should privatize state owned businesses ;restructure the pensions of government employees (most of the country's work force ), initiate a flat income tax ,and sell unoccupied islands to the Trump so he can build casinos,resorts ,and golf courses (things he actually knows how to do).

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-07   12:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tomder55 (#7)

Trump is a business failure in real estate and in casinos - businesses which went under. He sells his name brand now. Pretty much every building named Trump is not owned by him.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-07   13:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles (#8)

Yes the name Trump stands for something and has international recognition.This is only because of the work that has been put into building the brand over many decades. I'd rather see him doing something he's good at ;like building ,instead of something he sucks at ;like running for President .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-07   14:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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