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Title: Will Churches Be Forced To Conduct Gay Weddings?
Source: www.slate.com
URL Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_ ... on_t_be_forced_to_conduct.html
Published: Jun 29, 2015
Author: Emily Bazelon
Post Date: 2015-06-29 13:51:18 by CZ82
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Views: 5012
Comments: 27

Will Churches Be Forced To Conduct Gay Weddings?

Not a chance. That’s just the scare tactic conservative groups use to frighten voters.

By Emily Bazelon

Last June, Denmark’s parliament passed a law requiring churches to conduct gay marriage ceremonies. Priests can opt out, but if they do, the local bishop has to find a replacement to conduct the ceremony. When Maryland voters legalized gay marriage in November, a conservative friend sent me a link to the Denmark story to explain why he’d voted against his state’s ballot initiative. He says gay marriage doesn’t bother him, but he’s convinced that as it takes root, churches and other religious institutions will be forced to embrace it. Emily Bazelon Emily Bazelon

Emily Bazelon is a staff writer at the New York Times Magazine and the author of Sticks and Stones.

This objection makes me apoplectic. We are not Denmark! We have a deep-rooted, constitutional division between church and state and an equally deep-rooted constitutional protection of freedom of religion, which make us different from any other country. And the history of how our courts and government have safeguarded those religious rights weigh definitively on the side of allowing churches to refuse to perform weddings for gay couples for as long as they so choose. I’m not saying it’s a good thing for churches to do that. I’m saying that the law balances the civil rights of gay people against the civil rights of religious groups—and in that contest, the churches (and mosques and synagogues) win.

In theory, the government could direct the behavior of churches by mandating that they perform gay unions or punishing those who don’t by denying them benefits—in particular, tax-exempt status. After all, religious institutions rely on not paying taxes, so this is important to them. But the government has never used either power to tell religious groups who they have to marry. “After the Supreme Court struck down state bans on interracial marriage in Loving v. Virginia in 1967, there was never the suggestion that private religious groups that wouldn’t perform interracial marriages would be shut down,” Harvard Law School Dean Martha Minow points out. “Or lose their tax-exempt status.” ADVERTISING

In a 2007 article in the Boston College Law Review, Minow asked this key question: “How can a pluralistic society commit to both equality and tolerance of religious differences?” The answer, she argued, lies in exactly how we create exemptions to civil rights laws for religious groups. She showed how this unfolded historically. After Loving, the Internal Revenue Service started denying tax exemptions to private schools in Mississippi that discriminated against blacks. At the time, Bob Jones University, in South Carolina, did not admit African Americans because it saw the Bible as barring interracial dating and marriage. In the 1970s, Bob Jones started letting in black applicants but said that students who dated or married across racial lines would be expelled. The IRS decided that the school would lose its tax exemption. Congress introduced 13 bills to overturn the IRS decision, Minow writes, but none passed. In 1982, the Supreme Court sided with the IRS against Bob Jones. The court said that the government’s interest in eradicating racial discrimination was fundamental and that trumped Bob Jones’ claim that the IRS was interfering with its exercise of freedom of religion.

And on this single point—religious institutions can’t discriminate on the basis of race and remain tax exempt—the courts have held fast, because on this issue the country has reached a consensus. Minow points out that Chief Justice John Roberts said he supported the court’s Bob Jones decision at his 2005 confirmation hearing. Neither party wants to defend blatant racial discrimination any longer. In fact, Bob Jones ended its ban on interracial dating a decade ago. (The university hasn’t reapplied for its tax exemption, but an affiliated academy and museum are tax exempt.)

But the same rule most decidedly does not apply to religious groups that discriminate against women or gay people. In 2002, a woman named Susan Rockwell challenged the tax exemption of the Catholic Church because it doesn’t allow women to become priests. She lost. That’s because of the “ministerial exception” to anti-discrimination laws. Churches, synagogues, and mosques get to pick their clergy, end of story. Actually, their exemption to sex-discrimination laws extends much further, to a Catholic school that fired a pregnant, unmarried teacher and even to a Christian school that turned down a teaching applicant because she had school-aged children. The churches affiliated with the Christian school decreed that mothers shouldn’t work outside the home. And that was enough to trump this woman’s employment rights—an exception you could drive a truck through, if you ask me. But the Supreme Court let it stand.

In cases like these brought by gay people, the first question is whether state law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, because federal law does not. So in Kentucky, which has no such law, a Baptist social-services agency was allowed to fire a therapist for being a lesbian. I’m happy to say I don’t think this would fly in the 21 states (plus the District of Columbia) that do protect the rights of gay people. But remember, we are still a long way from churches being forced to marry gay couples or hire gay ministers. We’re talking about teachers and social workers who work for religiously affiliated institutions—in states that have chosen to protect them from discrimination.

When states have laws that prohibit anti-gay discrimination in spaces open to the public, they generally exempt “actual places of worship, the organizations they operate, and certain private organizations,” according to this 2012 law review article. So it’s true that in 2007, New Jersey denied a tax exemption to a boardwalk pavilion in Ocean Grove owned by a Methodist group after two lesbian couples were rejected when they asked to hold civil union ceremonies there. But this was a beachfront property, not a church—and 99 percent of the group’s land, taken as a whole, retained its tax exemption.

That’s why the story of an anti-discrimination ordinance in the city of Hutchinson, Kansas, makes me sad. When the law was proposed last spring, religious groups railed that it would require churches to rent buildings to gay couples “for drag parties.” In fact, said Chad Graber, executive board member of the Hutchinson chapter of the Kansas Equality Coalition, this could only have occurred if a church made a building publicly available—if it opened up a banquet hall, for example, as a public space rather than only renting it to members. Because of the backlash, the city council reworked the proposal, leaving out public spaces entirely, and in June put into effect only limited protections against being fired or evicted for being gay. (The council also took transgender people off the LGBT list.)

But by then, a battle was raging. A group called Awaken Kansas campaigned to torpedo the measure in the November election. “They told people pastors would have to perform gay marriages,” Graber told me. “The churches were completely exempt, but they used it as a scare tactic.” In November, local voters rejected the ordinance.

It’s just wrong to spook voters about gay rights by arguing that gay people are coming for their churches. It’s not gonna happen. Not just as a tactical matter, but also as a legal one. If that ever changes, it will be because we’re as united about the pernicious nature of anti-gay discrimination as we are about racial discrimination. Or until no one wants to belong to a church that doesn’t perform same-sex weddings, any more than they’d want to be in a church that forbids interracial ceremonies. Maybe we should be there. But I don’t need to tell you we’re not.

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[Emily Bazelon] We have a deep-rooted, constitutional division between church and state and an equally deep-rooted constitutional protection of freedom of religion, which make us different from any other country. And the history of how our courts and government have safeguarded those religious rights weigh definitively on the side of allowing churches to refuse to perform weddings for gay couples for as long as they so choose.

We had a deep-rooted separation between homosexuality and marriage until very recently. This could have been put to the people as a proposed constitutional amendment. Such an amendment had little chance of adoption.

[Emily Bazelon] In theory, the government could direct the behavior of churches by mandating that they perform gay unions or punishing those who don’t by denying them benefits—in particular, tax-exempt status.

In practice, they have the power to do that too. In practice, it is more likely to start at the periphery as described by Chief Justice Roberts.

Roberts, CJ, dissenting at 28:

Hard questions arise when people of faith exercise religion in ways that may be seen to conflict with the new right to same-sex marriage—when, for example, a reli­gious college provides married student housing only to opposite-sex married couples, or a religious adoption agency declines to place children with same-sex married couples. Indeed, the Solicitor General candidly acknowl­edged that the tax exemptions of some religious institu­tions would be in question if they opposed same-sex mar­riage. See Tr. of Oral Arg. on Question 1, at 36-38. There is little doubt that these and similar questions will soon be before this Court. Unfortunately, people of faith can take no comfort in the treatment they receive from the majority today.


I start here with the Q&A that Chief Justice Roberts referred back to at 36-38.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/14-556q1_6k47.pdf

Washington, D.C.
Tuesday, April 28, 2015
Oral Argument

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4 JUSTICE SCALIA: Miss ­­ Miss Bonauto,

5 I'm ­­I'm concerned about the wisdom of this Court

6 imposing through the Constitution a ­­a requirement of

7 action which is unpalatable to many of our citizens for

8 religious reasons. They are not likely to change their

9 view about what marriage consists of. And were ­­were

10 the States to adopt it by law, they could make

11 exceptions to what ­­what is required for same­sex

12 marriage, who has to honor it and so forth.

13 But once it's ­­it's made a matter of

14 constitutional law, those exceptions ­­for example, is

15 it ­­is it conceivable that a minister who is

16 authorized by the State to conduct marriage can decline

17 to marry two men if indeed this Court holds that they

18 have a constitutional right to marry? Is it conceivable

19 that that would be allowed?

20 MS. BONAUTO: Your Honor, of course the

21 Constitution will continue to apply, and right to this

22 day, no clergy is forced to marry any couple that they

23 don't want to marry. We have those protections.

24 JUSTICE SCALIA: But ­­ but right to this

25 day, we have never held that there is a constitutional

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1 right for these two people to marry, and the minister is

2 ­­ to the extent he's conducting a civil marriage, he's

3 an instrument of the State. I don't see how you could

4 possibly allow that minister to say, I will only marry a

5 man and a woman. I will not marry two men. Which means

6 you ­­ you would ­­ you could ­­ you could have

7 ministers who ­­ who conduct real marriages that ­­ that

8 are civilly enforceable at the National Cathedral, but

9 not at St. Matthews downtown, because that minister

10 refuses to marry two men, and therefore, cannot be given

11 the State power to make a real State marriage. I don't

12 see any ­­ any answer to that. I really don't.

13 JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: Counselor, there have

14 been antidiscrimination laws in various States; correct?

15 MS. BONAUTO: Yes, Your Honor.

16 JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: Antidiscrimination laws

17 regarding gay people.

18 MS. BONAUTO: Correct.

19 JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: And in any of those

20 States, have ministers been forced to do gay marriages?

21 MS. BONAUTO: Of course not, Your Honor.

22 And ­­

23 JUSTICE SCALIA: They are laws. They are

24 not constitutional requirements. That was the whole

25 point of my question. If you let the States do it, you

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1 can make an exception. The State can say, yes, two men

2 can marry, but ­­ but ministers who do not believe in ­­

3 in same­sex marriage will still be authorized to conduct

4 marriages on behalf of the State. You can't do that

5 once it is a constitutional proscription.

6 MS. BONAUTO: If one thing is firm, and I

7 believe it is firm, that under the First Amendment, that

8 a clergyperson cannot be forced to officiate at a

9 marriage that he or she does not want to officiate at.

10 And since there were several other questions, if I may.

11 JUSTICE SCALIA: He's not being required to

12 officiate. He's just not given the State's power,

13 unless he agrees to use that power in ­­in accordance

14 with the Constitution. I don't ­­ seems to me you

15 have to ­­ you have to make that exception. You can't

16 appoint people who will then go ahead and violate the

17 Constitution.

18 MS. BONAUTO: I think if we're talking about

19 a government individual, a clerk, a judge, who's

20 empowered to authorize marriage, that is a different

21 matter that they are going to have to follow through,

22 unless, again, a State decides to make some exceptions.

23 In Connecticut, after the court permitted marriage, it

24 did actually pass a law to do deal with implementation

25 issues, including these kinds of liberty issues.

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1 JUSTICE SCALIA: Because it was a State law.

2 That's my whole my point. If it's a State law, you can

3 make those exceptions. But if it's a constitutional

4 requirement, I don't see how you can. And every State

5 allows ministers to marry people, and their marriages

6 are effective under State law. That will not be the

7 case if, indeed, we hold, as a constitutional matter,

8 that the State must marry two men.

9 JUSTICE KAGAN: Ms. Bonauto, maybe I'm just

10 not understanding Justice Scalia's question, but for

11 example, there are many rabbis that will not conduct

12 marriages between Jews and non­Jews, notwithstanding

13 that we have a constitutional prohibition against

14 religious discrimination. And those rabbis get all the

15 powers and privileges of the State, even if they have

16 that rule, most ­­ many, many, many rabbis won't do

17 that.

18 MS. BONAUTO: That's precisely ­­

19 JUSTICE BREYER: It's called Congress shall

20 make no law respecting the freedom of religion ­­

21 MS. BONAUTO: So, yes ­­

22 JUSTICE BREYER: ­­ but that ­­

23 MS. BONAUTO: ­­ can I ­­

24 JUSTICE BREYER: ­­ it leaves this

25 question

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1 MS. BONAUTO: Yes.

2 JUSTICE BREYER: ­­ open?

3 MS. BONAUTO: Yes. And I will just say very

4 briefly ­­

5 JUSTICE SCALIA: Well, you ­­ you ­­

6 MS. BONAUTO: And I need to ­­

7 JUSTICE SCALIA: ­­ you agree with that ­­

8 MS. BONAUTO: ­­ reserve my time, if I may.

9 JUSTICE SCALIA: ­­ then? You agree that ­­

10 that ministers will not have to conduct same­sex

11 marriages?

12 MS. BONAUTO: If they do not want to, that

13 is correct. I believe that is affirmed under the First

14 Amendment.

15 And I will say before I sit down, if I may

16 reserve my time, Your Honor, that in terms of the

17 question of who decides, it's not about the Court versus

18 the States. It's about the individual making the choice

19 to marry and with whom to marry, or the government.

20 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Thank you, counsel.

21 (Interruption.)

22 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: General, would you

23 like to take a moment?

24 GENERAL VERRILLI: I will. Thank you,

25 Mr. Chief Justice.

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1 Actually, Mr. Chief Justice, if the Court is

2 ready.

3 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Well, we're ready.

4 Okay.

5 JUSTICE SCALIA: It was rather refreshing,

6 actually.

7 (Laughter.)

8 ORAL ARGUMENT OF DONALD B. VERRILLI, JR.

9 ON BEHALF OF UNITED STATES, AS AMICUS CURIAE,

10 SUPPORTING PETITIONERS ON QUESTION 1

11 GENERAL VERRILLI: Mr. Chief Justice, and

12 may it please the Court:

13 The opportunity to marry is integral to

14 human dignity. Excluding gay and lesbian couples from

15 marriage demeans the dignity of these couples. It did

16 demeans their children, and it denies the ­­ both the

17 couples and their children the stabilizing structure

18 that marriage affords.

19 Now, the Respondents' principal argument,

20 and what we've been discussing this morning so far, is

21 whether this issue of ­­ whether this discrimination

22 should persist is something that should be left to the

23 political process or whether it should be something

24 decided by the Court. And I'd like to make three points

25 about that, if I could.

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1 stabilizing structure and the many benefits of marriage.

2 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Counsel, I'd like to

3 follow up in a line of questioning that Justice Scalia

4 started.

5 We have a concession from your friend that

6 clergy will not be required to perform same­sex

7 marriage, but there are going to be harder questions.

8 Would a religious school that has married housing be

9 required to afford such housing to same­sex couples?

10 GENERAL VERRILLI: I guess what I'd ­­ I'd

11 like to make three points about that, if I could,

12 Mr. Chief Justice.

13 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Well, the first

14 part ­­

15 GENERAL VERRILLI: And I will ­­and I'll go

16 right at the question you asked.

17 The first one is, of course, this Court's

18 ruling addresses what the States must do under the

19 Fourteenth Amendment.

20 And the ­­ and the second point is that when

21 you get to a question like the one Your Honor asked,

22 that is going to depend on how States work out the

23 balance between their civil rights laws, whether they

24 decide that there's going to be civil rights enforcement

25 of discrimination based on sexual orientation or not,

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1 and how they decide what kinds of accommodations they

2 are going to allow under State law.

3 And they could well ­­ you know, different

4 states could strike different balances.

5 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: What about

6 Federal ­­ it's a Federal question if we make it a

7 matter of constitutional law.

8 GENERAL VERRILLI: But the question of

9 what ­­ how States use their enforcement power is up to

10 the States.

11 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Well, you have

12 enforcement power, too.

13 GENERAL VERRILLI: Right. And ­­

14 and ­­ well, that's certainly true, but there is no

15 Federal law now generally banning discrimination based

16 on sexual orientation, and that's where those issues are

17 going to have to be worked out.

18 And I guess the third point I would make,

19 Your Honor, is that these issues are going to arise no

20 matter which way you decide this case, because these

21 questions of accommodation are going to arise in

22 situations in States where there is no same­sex

23 marriage, where there are ­­ and, in fact, they have

24 arisen many times. There ­­ there are these commitment

25 ceremonies.

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1 For example, in the New Mexico case in which

2 this Court denied cert just a few months back, that did

3 not arise out of a marriage. That arose out of a

4 commitment ceremony, and the ­­ and these, you know,

5 commitment ceremonies are going to need florists and

6 caterers.

7 JUSTICE ALITO: Well, in the Bob Jones case,

8 the Court held that a college was not entitled to

9 tax­exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or

10 interracial dating. So would the same apply to a

11 university or a college if it opposed same­sex marriage?

12 GENERAL VERRILLI: You know, I ­­ I don't

13 think I can answer that question without knowing more

14 specifics, but it's certainly going to be an issue.

15 I ­­ I don't deny that. I don't deny that, Justice

16 Alito. It is ­­ it is going to be an issue.

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