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Title: The 3 Most Unbelievable ‘Conspiracy Theories’ Involving the U.S. Govt Ultimately Proven as Fact
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/5- ... ng-u-s-government-proven-fact/
Published: Jun 26, 2015
Author: Jay Syrmopoulos
Post Date: 2015-06-27 13:41:59 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4284
Comments: 36

top 3 conspiracy theories proven as fact 1

If someone told you that the U.S. government plotted terror attacks against targets on U.S. soil, that CIA had infiltrated the entirety of Western media and was using the media as a propaganda tool or that after World War II the U.S. secretly brought over a thousand Nazi scientists to the U.S to work on top secret projects for the federal government, people would likely say they were a wild conspiracy theorist.

On the surface these, “conspiracy theories” sound like insane movie plots produced by Hollywood, but sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction – and much more ominous.

Welcome to 2015, where tinfoil has become reality.

Let us guide you through 3 of the most tyrannical escapades ever endeavored upon by the United States government, proven through investigation and declassified documents.

1. Operation Northwoods

After the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, in the midst of the Cold War, a top secret plan was formulated, called Operation Northwoods. The operation was signed off on by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and made it all the way to President Kennedy’s desk, where he refused to sign off on the diabolical plot. Some of the most disturbing revelations of the op called for U.S. government agents to carry out terrorist attacks within the United States.

“We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.”

To justify using the U.S. military in Cuba, the military was willing to engage in actual terrorist attacks on American soil. Let that sink in for a minute. This is not a crazy conspiracy theory, this actually happened and the only reason it wasn’t operationalized is because Kennedy said no.

2. Operation Mockingbird

This CIA operation began as the Cold War ramped up in the 1950’s. In an attempt to gather intelligence and influence public opinion, the CIA recruited journalists from across the United States. The program operated for nearly three decades and was deeply embedded in the fabric of American journalism. These compromised journalists provided the CIA direct access to some of the most prestigious media outlets in the country. The scope of the infiltration of the media was vast, encompassing newspapers, periodicals, press services, news agencies, radio and television stations, book publishers and foreign media outlets. A congressional investigation by the Church Committee exposed the vast propaganda program, stating:

“The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda.”

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Respected journalist Carl Bernstein, writing about the depth of the CIA’s co-opting of media, wrote in Rollingstone in 1977:

“Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit; some were explicit. There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services — from simple intelligence-gathering to serving as go betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without portfolio for their country.

Most were less exalted – foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested in the derring-do of the spy business as in filing articles; and, the smallest category, full-time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad. In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.”

3. Operation Paperclip

Operation Paperclip was the codename for an operation in which US intelligence and military services secretly brought Nazi scientists to the U.S., permanently repatriating them as World War II came to a close. Originally the project was called Operation Overcast, and is also referred to as Project Paperclip.

The U.S. showed particular interest in scientists specializing in aerodynamics and rocketry, chemical weapons, chemical reaction technology and medicine. These scientists and their families were secretly brought to the United States, without State Department review and approval. This is because their service for the Nazi party and SS memberships, as well as the classification of many as war criminals or security threats, disqualified them from officially obtaining visas.

President Truman had ordered the exclusion of anyone who was “a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism.” This would have excluded most of the leading Nazi scientists, so to circumvent Truman’s order, the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), created false political biographies for the scientists. JIOA then went on to expunge all records of the scientists’ affiliation with the Nazi party and grant each of them U.S. government security clearances, thus allowing them to work on highly classified projects for the U.S. military.

The majority of the 1,500 Nazi scientists were deployed to various military testing sites to work on guided missile and ballistic missile technology, along with numerous other scientific endeavors. These actions, in turn, led to the foundation of NASA and the U.S. ICBM program.

All three of these “theories” have been brushed off by many as “crazy” and unrealistic even though there is concrete evidence to prove them all to be true. These types of insanely horrific conspiracies will continue to occur until enough people pull their heads out of the sand; and let it be known that we see what the man behind the curtain is doing.

With knowledge of these heinous acts, one must question exactly what type of similar operations are currently being run by the U.S. government, without the knowledge of the American public.Poster comment :

I would add one more.

4. MK ULTRA.

History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control

Mind Control Cover-up The Secrets of Mind Control

This mind control summary is based on astonishing excerpts from three landmark books: Bluebird by Colin Ross, MD; Mind Controllers by Armen Victorian; and A Nation Betrayed by Carol Rutz. The authors provide hundreds of footnotes to support their thorough research. This revealing information is based on 18,000 pages of declassified CIA mind control documents. To order these key documents from the U.S. government, click here. Join in powerfully building a better world for all by spreading the word

A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes."

The CIA Mind Control Projects

A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

327 CIA mind-control victims win cash claims

HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation

Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

***

Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"? ******** The Manchurian Veterans

They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.

Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.

Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.

Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.

The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.

It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

Shocking Videos of LSD and MKULTRA Experiments on Citizens

The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”

Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

" Operation Paperclip "

I had an uncle that worked under Von Braun, at White Sands, and in the south before that.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-27   18:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Ever notice that the demise and destruction of America occurred with the creation of the CIA? Just after WW2, ... Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. The National Security Act charged the CIA with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence affecting national security.

Since that day, America has not been at peace; another way to look at US foreign policy is the US government is meddling in the affairs of every nation on the globe. This is what happens when the US government operates a department with a secret budget: no accountability at all.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-27   19:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

1. Operation Northwoods

After the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, in the midst of the Cold War, a top secret plan was formulated, called Operation Northwoods. The operation was signed off on by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and made it all the way to President Kennedy’s desk, where he refused to sign off on the diabolical plot.

Ok,so that one never happened,which means it's not real.

BTW,you DO know we have plans drawn up to invade England,right?

Not to mention Australia and Tahiti.

As Arlo Guthrie would say,"complete with 8x10 color glossies."

Establishing contingency plans for any and all possibilities not matter how remote is a basic part of what the military does.

A congressional investigation by the Church Committee exposed the vast propaganda program, stating:

“The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda.”

Church was a asshole with bells on that did more to damage this country that Hitler and Hirohito combined. INHO,the MoFo was a Soviet agent.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the CIA using reporters to spy on foreign governments.

Today we have US journalists spying on the US for foreign governments,and you don't hear anybody bitching about that,do you?

3. Operation Paperclip

Operation Paperclip was the codename for an operation in which US intelligence and military services secretly brought Nazi scientists to the U.S., permanently repatriating them as World War II came to a close. Originally the project was called Operation Overcast, and is also referred to as Project Paperclip.

Some "secret". I knew about this in the early 1960's,and was a nobody school child at the time. Everybody used to make jokes about how "OUR Nazi scientists are going to kick the asses of the Soviet Nazi scientists."

If these fools wanted to be taken seriously they should write about the takeover of Wall Street and Real Estate American by foreign banking/political interests.

Not to mention stuff like the Feeb infiltration of the KKK during the 1950's and their planning stuff like the church bombings,Ruby Ridge,Waco,Texas,and the OKC bombing. Do that and you have something.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-27   21:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#2)

Ever notice that the demise and destruction of America occurred with the creation of the CIA? Just after WW2, ... Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. The National Security Act charged the CIA with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence affecting national security.

Since that day, America has not been at peace;

HorseHillary! The CIA is nothing more than a tool of whatever administration happens to be ringing their bells at the time.

They get the blame because they are not in a position to defend themselves when politicians shift all the blame to their shoulders every time something goes wrong.

Blaming the CIA for what has happened to America since the early 50's is like blaming the weatherman for the weather.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-27   21:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

HorseHillary! The CIA is nothing more than a tool of whatever administration happens to be ringing their bells at the time.

I didn't directly blame the CIA. Take a moment and re-read my earlier post:

Ever notice that the demise and destruction of America occurred with the creation of the CIA? Just after WW2, ... Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. The National Security Act charged the CIA with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence affecting national security.

Since that day, America has not been at peace; another way to look at US foreign policy is the US government is meddling in the affairs of every nation on the globe. This is what happens when the US government operates a department with a secret budget: no accountability at all.

We operate over our heads and over our budgets as a nation, today. The aftermath of WW2 permitted America an unfettered reign of and about policing the world which aided in the creation of the CIA; the CIA is a symptom of a failed US government, no matter which administration is in place; they have an infinite budget and since it SECRET, it has contributed directly to the US federal debt of about 18Trillion+ dollars since Truman's administration.

Again, America's wealth due to the WW2 aftermath permitted extraordinary budgets. Today, that wealth has disappeared.

Of course, no one looks back and reflects on how America has become a fascist nation. It is basically because the nation has become a pauper within the international community.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-28   13:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#5)

We operate over our heads and over our budgets as a nation, today.

True,but socialism and buying votes is responsible for that,not the CIA.

The aftermath of WW2 permitted America an unfettered reign of and about policing the world which aided in the creation of the CIA;

Nope. The CIA came from the OSS of WW-2 and the conclusion that we were surprised by WW-2 because we were the only major nation that didn't have a spy agency. The thought was that we needed to spy on other governments to protect America,and that thought was correct.

Maybe if we had an intelligence agency in the 1920's Stalin wouldn't have been able to use communist agents to infiltrate and take over our school system.

the CIA is a symptom of a failed US government,

Bull Bush.

they have an infinite budget and since it SECRET,

DUH! HTH can they keep secret what they are doing from foreign intelligence agencies if they have to publish a public budget?

it has contributed directly to the US federal debt of about 18Trillion+ dollars since Truman's administration.

What you don't report is how much money they have saved America by discovering and ending plots against our country and our policies.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-28   14:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

What you don't report is how much money they have saved America by discovering and ending plots against our country and our policies.

Disagree all you want, Pete. But the US government does NOT save money ... it spends money in such a way as to raise taxes every moment of our life while spending more on NOTHING useful than any nation on the Earth at any tyme any in mankind's history.

The US government lives in a fuckin' bubble of useless purpose.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-28   15:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#7)

But the US government does NOT save money .

If you don't spend billions on an unnecessary defense system because of an intelligence coup,that is money saved.

If you don't spend billions fighting wars for someone else because of intelligence coups,that is money saved.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-28   15:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

If you don't spend billions on an unnecessary defense system because of an intelligence coup,that is money saved.

If you don't spend billions fighting wars for someone else because of intelligence coups,that is money saved.

But the US government spends TRILLIONS CREATING WARS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-28   15:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#6)

The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going. They have no budget, only that amount they can get from Congress, and the larger amount they can procure by drugs and arms sales.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-06-28   16:01:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#9)

But the US government spends TRILLIONS CREATING WARS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Yes,we have.

If you go all the way back to 1917 and include WW-2.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-28   20:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jeremiad (#10)

The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going.

No,they don't. It's pure BullBush.

They have no budget, only that amount they can get from Congress, and the larger amount they can procure by drugs and arms sales.

ROFLMAO! Good one!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-28   20:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#12)

How did the Contra rebels pay for weapons in the 80's? Cocaine flown out in trade for weapons. In the common way to talk now, "Like this is the first, last and only time, they like did something like this"? Air America during Vietnam, in Afghanistan right now. It is a continuation of drug running for profit that has happened over the centuries. England fought an "Opium war" against the Chinese people. We took over that role after they lost their status as world power in the aftermaths of WW's 1 and 2. It is not debatable, it is a fact. The Taliban destroyed the poppy fields wherever they controlled, we come in and "rescue" these growers and the supply of heroin worldwide continues as before. Ask a vet, either from Vietnam or Afghanistan. In the most current example, they are GUARDING the poppy fields from attempts to eradicate the poppy by Muslim extremists. The irony is that there is billions to be made in drug trafficking, but 100's of billions trafficking weapons. Does that show up in a budget?

jeremiad  posted on  2015-06-29   10:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete, jeremiad (#12)

The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going.

No,they don't. It's pure BullBush.

The Real Drug Lords: A brief history of CIA involvement in the Drug Trade

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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Deckard  posted on  2015-06-29   10:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete, jeremiad (#12)

They have no budget, only that amount they can get from Congress, and the larger amount they can procure by drugs and arms sales.

ROFLMAO! Good one!

CIA “Black Budget” Funding: Never Constrained by its Congressional Budget

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-29   10:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete, jeremiad, Deckard (#12)

(The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going.)

No,they don't. It's pure BullBush.

They don't? HA!

Mena. Bush and Klintoon.

Benghazi was a rogue weapons op that indeed did help arm ISIS and help create the FUBAR'd sh*tstorm in the ME. Thanks to Hitlery and 0blabla. Poppy and sonny used their "assets" during 9/11 and in their two useless, dumb, expensive wars. Our military even helps guard Poppy fields in Afghanistan.

Those who provide covert "security" have had carte blanche to do ANYTHING they've wanted. No rules or law need apply. Is that news to you? You really should update your info. Here are a couple of primers:

http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396/ref=sr_1_1/184-4626578-8600661?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435589951&sr=1-1&keywords=house+of+bush+and+saud

http://www.amazon.com/Boy-Clinton-The-Political-Biography/dp/0895264390

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-29   11:12:48 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#0)

2. Operation Mockingbird

This CIA operation began as the Cold War ramped up in the 1950’s. In an attempt to gather intelligence and influence public opinion, the CIA recruited journalists from across the United States. The program operated for nearly three decades and was deeply embedded in the fabric of American journalism. These compromised journalists provided the CIA direct access to some of the most prestigious media outlets in the country. The scope of the infiltration of the media was vast, encompassing newspapers, periodicals, press services, news agencies, radio and television stations, book publishers and foreign media outlets. A congressional investigation by the Church Committee exposed the vast propaganda program, stating:

“The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda.”

A complete fail. (chyeah, right.)

The Media is the Message. And NOW we understand how and why today's media has become Enemy #1 of this Republic and prime facilitator of its death and destruction.

The See Eye Aye has been used as a rogue source of propaganda and sabotage of America. The New World Order's anti-Christ globalist-elites and have been its boss since just after WWII.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-29   11:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#2)

Ever notice that the demise and destruction of America occurred with the creation of the CIA? Just after WW2, ... Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. The National Security Act charged the CIA with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence affecting national security.

Since that day, America has not been at peace; another way to look at US foreign policy is the US government is meddling in the affairs of every nation on the globe. This is what happens when the US government operates a department with a secret budget: no accountability at all.

+1000

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-29   11:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#9)

The US government spends TRILLIONS CREATING WARS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Yup. The US gubmint has been beholden to its defense contractors. Addiction to free and easy money (in exchange for blood) has NEVER bothered these reptiles. For the most part, this war-machine routine has been...satanic (why must there be a military base on every rock on the planet? $$$$$

You'll notice that ONLY during Reagan's Administrations (both of them) that the US engaged in ZERO wars. WHILE maintaining the peace. Precisely because Reagan -- a man of extreme principle -- was NOT part of the good ol' elite's boys club. Defense contractor and stockholders were not amused. Thank goodness Poppy Bush went and created Gulf War I out of thin air. That was also the time our liberties began getting severely curtailed.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-29   11:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jeremiad (#13)

How did the Contra rebels pay for weapons in the 80's?

They didn't. We gave the weapons to them,just like the Soviets gave weapons to the Sandinista.

Air America during Vietnam,

HorseHillary! I can't believe people are still dragging out that old commie agi-prop piece and touting it as fact.

What do YOU actually know about Air America from personal experience? Know anybody that ever worked for Air America?

It is not debatable, it is a fact. L

There is nothting to debate because it is an outright lie started by communists in the media and beleived because everybody loves a good conspiracy theory.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-29   15:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#14)

According to Alfred W. McCoy....

A graduate of Kent State and a history professor at U of Wisconsin.

Couldn't find anybody more reliable,like some professor from Moscow?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-29   15:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard, Deckard (#15)

ROFLMAO! Good one!

CIA “Black Budget” Funding: Never Constrained by its Congressional Budget

Is it a "black budget",or "no budget"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-29   15:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#16)

They don't? HA!

Mena. Bush and Klintoon.

You have somehow now gotten from reports of drugs from South America being flown into an remote landing strip in Arkansas BY CRIMINALS in a single engine airplane,to cargo planes of drugs from Laos and Cambodia by the CIA?

Or ship loads of Opium from Afghanistan?

You can keep on believing that lame shit if it gives you wood to think you are "in the know" about something secret,but sometimes something seems to be secret not because nobody knows about it,but nobody knows about it because it didn't happen.

BTW,you do know that Lincoln freed the slaves,and that America was formed as a democracy,right?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-29   15:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#19)

For the most part, this war-machine routine has been...satanic

Oh,yeah! De debbil dun made dem do hit!

GIT THEE BACK,SATAN!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-29   15:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: jeremiad (#10)

The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going. They have no budget, only that amount they can get from Congress, and the larger amount they can procure by drugs and arms sales.

Absolute Baloney!

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-29   18:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GarySpFC, jeremiad (#25) (Edited)

The CIA trades weapons for drugs and vice versa. They make billions supplying the worlds addicts, make 100's of billions keeping war going. They have no budget, only that amount they can get from Congress, and the larger amount they can procure by drugs and arms sales.

Absolute Baloney!

You really need to educate yourself Gary, instead of swallowing the government lies.

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations

This electronic briefing book is compiled from declassified documents obtained by the National Security Archive, including the notebooks kept by NSC aide and Iran-contra figure Oliver North, electronic mail messages written by high-ranking Reagan administration officials, memos detailing the contra war effort, and FBI and DEA reports.

The documents demonstrate official knowledge of drug operations, and collaboration with and protection of known drug traffickers. Court and hearing transcripts are also included.

How Opium is Keeping US in Afghanistan: CIA’s Shady History of Drug Trafficking

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-29   20:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#26)

It really is sad that people cannot see evil deeds perpetrated by their government, no matter the evidence. It is nearly an exact copy when Republicans see the evil deeds of Democrats but not by their own, and vice versa. George H.W. Bush left POW's to slavery or death in Vietnam, they won't believe it. eL BJ started the big foo foorah in Vietnam with a fake attack on our ships, they believe that, but it was necessary for the red white and blue. The fact is that the CIA and the FBI have black operations, and white operations. People can work for the same agency for years and be blind to what black operations are up to. Most assuredly though, Britain fought wars over Opium against China because they wanted to save their people. The Crown was involved, and has been for centuries. After WW II, we took over from the Brits. WE are now the biggest drug dealer in the world. Why do you think GHW Bush's nickname is "Poppy"? CIA, drug running, ties to the Sauds, Mena AR, BJ Clinton...... Murders to cover it up even. Oliver North was even knee deep in this shi'ite.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-07-01   20:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, Deckard (#2)

Since that day, America has not been at peace; another way to look at US foreign policy is the US government is meddling in the affairs of every nation on the globe.

How many governments has the U.S. been involved in overthrowing? Back in the day, it seemed that wherever Frank Carlucci was assigned, they miraculously had a revolution.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-01   22:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nolu chan (#28)

How many governments has the U.S. been involved in overthrowing?

Honestly, I am not too concerned with other nations that the US government intends to control with our Chinese Yuan credits that keep rising without limits. Even the Chinese don't give a damned.

I am far more interested in the US government overthrowing the US Constitution purposefully. It is that old adage about "the boiling frog syndrome" that we face every day and genuinely every election cycle.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-01   23:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#29)

I am far more interested in the US government overthrowing the US Constitution purposefully.

They have been doing that since approximately 1789. The early to middle 1800's saw the nature of the union changed by creative interpretation.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-02   0:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: jeremiad (#27)

Bush did not leave POW's in Nam. One of my SF buddies was. a POW of both tHe Viet Cong and NVA for over eight years. This man retired as a colonel, and as a POW used his photographic memory to record every scrap of information he was able to obtain. He assured me that outside of a very few who had been marched into the jungle and executed all had been accounted for years ago

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-07-02   6:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GarySpFC, jeremiad (#31)

Bush did not leave POW's in Nam.

More Bush Deviousness on POWs/MIAs

When Ross Perot testified before the Senate POW committee last week, he was shown a packet of newly uncovered documents, among them a memo from a White House official describing a conversation he had had with Gen. Colin Powell, then deputy national security adviser. The date was March 21, 1987. The White House official, according to the committee, was Craig Fuller, then chief of staff to Vice President Bush and more recently the manager of the Republican convention in Houston. In the memo, Fuller said: “We still believe that it is not wise for Ross [Perot] to go [to Vietnam] . . . after 14 years they have denied live Americans . . . if they were to produce live people, can you imagine what will be asked for? Our policy interests are not served by Mr. Perot’s interests at the moment.”

Perot, who has for years said the evidence showed that men were still alive, was clearly taken aback by this document. He insisted on reading the passage into the record, after which he said, angrily:  “Our core problem is summed up right here in this little three-line statement. See, this town focuses on how things look, not how things are. Everybody has been worried to death, since this whole issue {that} keeps coming up is how will it look if they ever come home?

“See, that’s not the issue. The issue is they’re our men, they went into combat for us, we left them, we owe it to them to bring them home. It won’t look pretty back here, but we can build a consensus here that it’s the right thing to do.”

Unfortunately, George Bush has a different agenda. Last month, at a conference of the families of missing men, some of the frustrated relatives stood up as Bush was speaking and chanted: “Release all files. Tell the truth. No more lies.”

His response was to snarl at them to “Please shut up and sit down.”

Maybe it’s he who should sit down.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-07-02   10:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: jeremiad (#27)

It really is sad that people cannot see evil deeds perpetrated by their government, no matter the evidence.

Gary happens to be a Bush/Republican kool-aid drinker who simply cannot wrap his mind around the lies, crimes and corruption perpetrated by the Republican Party, the Bush family in particular.

No facts will convince those like him.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-07-02   10:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#32)

Deckard, my buddy had far more of a stake and intel in the missing POW's than those you quote.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-07-02   19:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GarySpFC (#34) (Edited)

Deckard, my buddy had far more of a stake and intel in the missing POW's than those you quote.

Same guy who told you Iraq had WMD's?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-07-02   19:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#35)

You're simply an Internet keyboard commando, and not a very good one at that.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-07-03   23:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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