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I'm here for the moneuy Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: A request to A K A Stone, Deckjard, and TooConservative Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Jun 22, 2015 Author: Bob Celeste Post Date: 2015-06-22 08:04:12 by BobCeleste Keywords: None Views: 3556 Comments: 44 Can either of you guys please list all the 'mass' shooters who were on prescribed drugs and the drugs they were on at the time of the shooting(s)? I ask because I consider the three of you the best researchers on LF. And you each have a large following. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 33. #4. To: BobCeleste (#0) "I consider the three of you the best researchers" Deckard might be the most diligent searcher for anti-law and order stories, but he researches nothing -- as evidenced by all the posts shredding his posted articles. nolu chan would be the one to ask. Or me. But I think it would be a waste of time since you're looking at correlation, not causation. misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-22   8:55:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: misterwhite (#4) Bob's little informal study is most likely a waste if time without also researching how many of these killers also had an illegal substance mixed with their prescribed antidepressants. Marihuana, synthetic weed and narcotics can alter the effects of antidepressants. You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong. GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-22   9:09:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: GrandIsland (#7) You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong. Oh,yeah. The old "Killer Weed" nonsense spouted by a life-long cog in the machine that knows nothing but what he has been conditioned to believe. This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing. sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-22   9:19:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: sneakypete (#10) This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing. Relax, Francis. I'm not sales pitching any anti weed statements. I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted. GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-22   9:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: GrandIsland (#12) I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted. The only other idiotic anti-marijuana zealot trying to make that dubious contention is a Carter henchman. Joseph A. Califano, Jr. While on the other hand, all of the other research has shown that the FDA APPROVED drugs have been responsible in part for the mass shootings that have occurred since Columbine. (You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?) Marijuana Arrests, Mass Killings, Psychotropic Drugs and Guns — It’s Time to Reevaluate the Conversations While our nation has remained fixated on illicit drug use — such as marijuana, which hurts no one — we ignore science, we ignore medicine, and we ignore good common sense. There is more than one very important message that has not been getting out when it comes to drugs. Psychiatrist David Healy explains: “Violence and other potentially criminal behavior caused by prescription drugs are medicine’s best kept secret. Never before in the fields of medicine and law have there been so many events with so much concealed data and so little focused expertise.” (International Society for Ethical Psychology and Psychiatry, ISEEP). Despite numerous studies devoted to proving (and or looking for) the harmful effects of whatever our government has arbitrarily and conveniently labeled illegal (such as marijuana), there is a serious need for a solid investigation between the relationship between psychotropic drugs and violence (ISEEP). These are just a few notes from ISEEP and things we already know regarding psychotropic drug use and certain related crimes: In the Columbine school shooting, the shooter Eric Harris was taking Luvox and Dylan Klebold had taken Zoloft and Paxil. Michael McDermott was on three antidepressants when he killed seven of his fellow employees in the Wakefield, Massachusetts massacre. Kip Kinkel was on Prozac when he killed his parents and then killed two children and wounded 25 at a nearby school. In fourteen recent school shootings (over 100 wounded and 58 killed), the acts were committed by persons taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. In other school shootings, information about the shooter’s prescription drug use and medical history were kept from public records. (ISEEP) This news is not new. Although there is obviously more than one issue, including mental health issues, it would appear that there is a possibility that at least in some of those cases, psychiatric medications perhaps had some influence on the chain of events leading up to the shootings. We don’t know that for sure. We do, however, know that some of those drugs have caused problems with violence and suicide in the past; we have known that for a while. Every once in a while there will be mention of such; then you don’t hear much else about it (Breggin, 2013). This issue has not generated a whole lot of discussion or research. Deckard  posted on  2015-06-22   9:47:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Deckard, Grand Island (#13) (You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?) I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it. Just because he still follows the "company line" when it comes to "killer weed" that doesn't mean he would have acted that way if he had been a cop at Columbine. Lets not forget that lots of cops really do risk their lives every day to protect the public from genuine danger,instead of cowering like the cops at Columbine. And you are spot on target about the drugs prescribed by witch doctors to genuine mental cases as well as more than a few patients who were just having a bad day and sent to him or her by their parents,the school,or some judge. IMHO,oftentimes it is the regular dosages of these prescription drugs that creates the monster that comes out to play. Partly because a large part of the process involves convincing the patient that nothing he or she has done is their fault,but due to a chemical unbalance they are are going to "handle" with drug treatment. The drugs turn them into mindless zombies,and then the real trouble starts. sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-22   10:53:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: sneakypete (#20) I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it. I remember it... and why would I be embarrassed by it? I had nothing to do with that incident. The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. Most departments, while dealing with an armed barricaded subject, will contain the incident and wait for a tactile team. That was the training and mindset back then. Do I agree with it? No. Now, the new training is to seek and destroy an active shooter, IMMEDIATELY, upon arrival. That's more my style... kill the armed criminal QUICK... and listen to you and Deckard cry that cops are trigger happy. lol GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-22   11:00:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: GrandIsland (#23) I remember it... and why would I be embarrassed by it? I had nothing to do with that incident. The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. Most departments, while dealing with an armed barricaded subject, will contain the incident and wait for a tactile team. That was the training and mindset back then. OK,thanks for the correction. I expected more from you,but I guess "company line" is all there is.. If I were a cop,I'd damn sure be embarrassed by seeing fellow cops cower behind cars,buildings,and bulletproof vests while innocents were being murdered. That was the training and mindset back then. As good an excuse for cowardice as there is,I guess. As long as cops follow that mindset,don't expect the public to do anything but puke when you start the whining about how dangerous your job is and how you risk your lives to serve the public. sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-22   12:56:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: sneakypete (#28) (Edited) As long as cops follow that mindset,don't expect the public to do anything but puke when you start the whining about how dangerous your job is and how you risk your lives to serve the public. Do you remember me posting I didn't agree with P&P's back then regarding active shooters? Grandisland ~ "That was the training and mindset back then. Do I agree with it? NO" Or do you just like hearing how tough you are and the rest of the world is a pussy. GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-22   13:45:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: GrandIsland (#32) (Edited) Do you remember me posting I didn't agree with P&P's back then regarding active shooters? Yes,that's why I thought you would be embarrassed by it happening. Or do you just like hearing how tough you are and the rest of the world is a pussy. I don't claim to be tough,but I damn sure wouldn't stand aside and quote department policy while innocent unarmed people were being murdered close enough I could hear the shots. "iz no my yob,man!" doesn't cut it for cops. Protecting the public is why you are hired. If all you are going to do is protect yourself (and department policy by extension),you need to be a security guard in private service. sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-22   15:12:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 33. #34. To: sneakypete (#33) I don't claim to be tough,but I damn sure wouldn't stand aside and quote department policy while innocent unarmed people were being murdered close enough I could hear the shots. You want me to just make shit up you'd rather hear? I'm telling you REALITY. Those officers and all officers around the country for years and years prior to columbine, were trained to contain an armed barricaded threat AND WAIT FOR A TACTICAL UNIT. That philosophy had worked up until the big lawsuit era... and it was the huge lawsuit that changed the way LE looks at armed active threats like we do today. Of course departments aren't gonna take well being called pussies and losing a multi million dollar lawsuit... so Columbine gave more reason than ever to train officers to hunt threats faster and provide the need for all that military equipment you hate them having. You reap what you sow, Petey. GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-22 16:10:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 33. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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