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Opinions/Editorials Title: A request to A K A Stone, Deckjard, and TooConservative Can either of you guys please list all the 'mass' shooters who were on prescribed drugs and the drugs they were on at the time of the shooting(s)? I ask because I consider the three of you the best researchers on LF. And you each have a large following. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 30. "I consider the three of you the best researchers" Deckard might be the most diligent searcher for anti-law and order stories, but he researches nothing -- as evidenced by all the posts shredding his posted articles. nolu chan would be the one to ask. Or me. But I think it would be a waste of time since you're looking at correlation, not causation.
#7. To: misterwhite (#4) Bob's little informal study is most likely a waste if time without also researching how many of these killers also had an illegal substance mixed with their prescribed antidepressants. Marihuana, synthetic weed and narcotics can alter the effects of antidepressants. You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong.
#10. To: GrandIsland (#7) You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong. Oh,yeah. The old "Killer Weed" nonsense spouted by a life-long cog in the machine that knows nothing but what he has been conditioned to believe. This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing.
#12. To: sneakypete (#10) This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing. Relax, Francis. I'm not sales pitching any anti weed statements. I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted.
#13. To: GrandIsland (#12) I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted. The only other idiotic anti-marijuana zealot trying to make that dubious contention is a Carter henchman. While on the other hand, all of the other research has shown that the FDA APPROVED drugs have been responsible in part for the mass shootings that have occurred since Columbine. (You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?)
While our nation has remained fixated on illicit drug use — such as marijuana, which hurts no one — we ignore science, we ignore medicine, and we ignore good common sense. There is more than one very important message that has not been getting out when it comes to drugs.
Despite numerous studies devoted to proving (and or looking for) the harmful effects of whatever our government has arbitrarily and conveniently labeled illegal (such as marijuana), there is a serious need for a solid investigation between the relationship between psychotropic drugs and violence (ISEEP). These are just a few notes from ISEEP and things we already know regarding psychotropic drug use and certain related crimes:
This news is not new. Although there is obviously more than one issue, including mental health issues, it would appear that there is a possibility that at least in some of those cases, psychiatric medications perhaps had some influence on the chain of events leading up to the shootings. We don’t know that for sure. We do, however, know that some of those drugs have caused problems with violence and suicide in the past; we have known that for a while. Every once in a while there will be mention of such; then you don’t hear much else about it (Breggin, 2013). This issue has not generated a whole lot of discussion or research.
#20. To: Deckard, Grand Island (#13) (You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?) I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it. Just because he still follows the "company line" when it comes to "killer weed" that doesn't mean he would have acted that way if he had been a cop at Columbine. Lets not forget that lots of cops really do risk their lives every day to protect the public from genuine danger,instead of cowering like the cops at Columbine. And you are spot on target about the drugs prescribed by witch doctors to genuine mental cases as well as more than a few patients who were just having a bad day and sent to him or her by their parents,the school,or some judge. IMHO,oftentimes it is the regular dosages of these prescription drugs that creates the monster that comes out to play. Partly because a large part of the process involves convincing the patient that nothing he or she has done is their fault,but due to a chemical unbalance they are are going to "handle" with drug treatment. The drugs turn them into mindless zombies,and then the real trouble starts.
#23. To: sneakypete (#20) I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it. I remember it... and why would I be embarrassed by it? I had nothing to do with that incident. The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. Most departments, while dealing with an armed barricaded subject, will contain the incident and wait for a tactile team. That was the training and mindset back then. Do I agree with it? No. Now, the new training is to seek and destroy an active shooter, IMMEDIATELY, upon arrival. That's more my style... kill the armed criminal QUICK... and listen to you and Deckard cry that cops are trigger happy. lol
#26. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#23) The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. "Officer Safety" uber alles, you know.
#30. To: Deckard, Grand Island (#26) The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. And here I was thinking that cops had been hired by citizens to take these risks,and that's what they were paid for. Better to just take THEIR guns away and let them play traffic cops and babysitters,and go back to armed citizens stopping violent crime.
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