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Title: Here's Why Libertarians Are Mostly Men
Source: Mother Jones
URL Source: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr ... hy-libertarians-are-mostly-men
Published: Jun 8, 2015
Author: Kevin Drum
Post Date: 2015-06-08 09:21:53 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 13569
Comments: 54

Jeet Heer investigates a burning question today: why are most libertarians men? He offers several plausible explanations, but I think he misses the real one, perhaps because it's pretty unflattering to libertarians.

So here's the quick answer: Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy. It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that they are these folks. They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

Most of them are wrong, of course. In a truly libertarian culture, nearly all of them would be squashed like ants—mostly by the same people who are squashing them now. But the fantasy lives on regardless.

Few women share this fantasy. I don't know why, and I don't really want to play amateur sociologist and guess. Perhaps it's something as simple as the plain observation that in the more libertarian past, women were subjugated to men almost completely. Why would that seem like an appealing fantasy?

Anyway, this is obviously simplistic and unflattering, and libertarians are going to be offended by it. Sorry. But feel free to take some guesses in comments about why women don't take to libertarianism as strongly as men.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that they are these folks.

They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

I think Mr. Drum is correct.

I think we could also restate his premise like this:

Conservatism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of republicans share the fantasy that they are these folks.

They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the 99%, and in a truely conservative culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

Most of them are wrong, of course.

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   9:36:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jameson (#1)

Leftism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

They believe that politicians are selfless "public servants" who care more about "society" than their own lust for power and control over others.

This is wrong, of course.

cranko  posted on  2015-06-08   9:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: cranko (#2)

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

So the GI Bill, TVA, Hoover Dam, SS were all failures?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-08   10:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles, cranko (#3)

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

So the GI Bill, TVA, Hoover Dam, SS were all failures?

Neither of these government programs, save perhaps SS was designed or intended to help the weak, poor and indigent. And frankly none, save perhaps SS, do that today. Fortunately the GI Bill and Hoover Dam have some useful life in them. The SS is going broke and will not be around of much longer to help anyone. Further the Federal government of late is even fcking up the military, which in no way exists to help the weak, poor and indigent of the U.S. save for national catastrophes.

But I know a good uber liberal sych as yourself truly believes that no-one succeeds in life without the help of the government. After all you didn't build anything or achieving anything in your life without Big Brother having given it to you, right?

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-08   11:44:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#6)

"The SS is going broke and will not be around of much longer to help anyone."

"... the military, which in no way exists to help the weak, poor and indigent of the U.S..."

Social Security currently runs a surplus, as you know, and IMHO our next president and congress will follow in the footsteps of Ron Reagan and make the changes necessary to guarantee solvency far into the future.

As for your comment about the military, no one could disagree that the DOD's spending is out of control and frivolous, their treatment of veterans is unacceptable, and their management structure is dysfunctional. However, for a whole bunch of young Americans, the military is the option of last resort for any gainful employment.....

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   12:02:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#10)

Social Security currently runs a surplus, as you know,

No, I don't know. Please document this.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-08   12:13:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SOSO (#15)

No, I don't know.

Now you do.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html

Learning is fun!

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   12:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jameson, SOSO (#16)

Now you do.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html

Learning is fun!

According to:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/2014/opdx122014.xls

and

www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4a3.html (Calender year 2014)

... the trust fund currently has $60,206 billion in non-loaned assets (as of CY14).

The rest of the funds are in in IOUs that the GrubberMint is using to fund their drunken spending binges.

Federal Old-Age And Survivors Insurance Trust Fund (in millions of $USD)
Prior Month OutstandingLoaned2,695,604
Current Month IssuedNew loans98,271
Current Month RedeemedPayments on loans
64,605
Current Month OutstandingNew balance
2,729,270
Total assets remaining Trust balance (2,789,476) - Loans (2,729,270)
60,206

.........

On that note:

Why do some people describe the "special issue" securities held by the trust funds as worthless IOUs? What is SSA's reaction to this criticism?
Money flowing into the trust funds is invested in U. S. Government securities. Because the government spends this borrowed cash, some people see the trust fund assets as an accumulation of securities that the government will be unable to make good on in the future. Without legislation to restore long-range solvency of the trust funds, redemption of long-term securities prior to maturity would be necessary.
Far from being "worthless IOUs," the investments held by the trust funds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government. The government has always repaid Social Security, with interest. The special-issue securities are, therefore, just as safe as U.S. Savings Bonds or other financial instruments of the Federal government.
Many options are being considered to restore long-range trust fund solvency. These options are being considered now, well in advance of the year the funds are likely to be exhausted. It is thus likely that legislation will be enacted to restore long-term solvency, making it unlikely that the trust funds' securities will need to be redeemed on a large scale prior to maturity.

......

Of course, the Trustees for the fund claim that the program will be solvent until 2035, not including the fact that the nation carries debts far exceeding the ledger balance of the trust fund. As far as I can tell, if you owe $18 trillion in debt, of which $2.7 trillion is owed to the trust fund (that is out of the over $5 trillion owed in Government Account debt), it would be nigh impossible to pay off the SS fund or any other public fund.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-08   19:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TheFireBert (#26)

That post will make him disappear for at least a week or more until he thinks people have forgotten.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-08   19:10:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CZ82 (#28)

That post will make him disappear for at least a week or more until he thinks people have forgotten.

The bad part is, it was really easy to get those numbers, and the results.

I even used a calculator! Those apps come standard on the iDumb.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-08   19:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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