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Title: Here's Why Libertarians Are Mostly Men
Source: Mother Jones
URL Source: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr ... hy-libertarians-are-mostly-men
Published: Jun 8, 2015
Author: Kevin Drum
Post Date: 2015-06-08 09:21:53 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 13554
Comments: 54

Jeet Heer investigates a burning question today: why are most libertarians men? He offers several plausible explanations, but I think he misses the real one, perhaps because it's pretty unflattering to libertarians.

So here's the quick answer: Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy. It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that they are these folks. They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

Most of them are wrong, of course. In a truly libertarian culture, nearly all of them would be squashed like ants—mostly by the same people who are squashing them now. But the fantasy lives on regardless.

Few women share this fantasy. I don't know why, and I don't really want to play amateur sociologist and guess. Perhaps it's something as simple as the plain observation that in the more libertarian past, women were subjugated to men almost completely. Why would that seem like an appealing fantasy?

Anyway, this is obviously simplistic and unflattering, and libertarians are going to be offended by it. Sorry. But feel free to take some guesses in comments about why women don't take to libertarianism as strongly as men.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that they are these folks.

They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

I think Mr. Drum is correct.

I think we could also restate his premise like this:

Conservatism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of republicans share the fantasy that they are these folks.

They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the 99%, and in a truely conservative culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

Most of them are wrong, of course.

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   9:36:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jameson (#1)

Leftism is a fantasy.

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

They believe that politicians are selfless "public servants" who care more about "society" than their own lust for power and control over others.

This is wrong, of course.

cranko  posted on  2015-06-08   9:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: cranko (#2)

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

So the GI Bill, TVA, Hoover Dam, SS were all failures?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-08   10:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles, cranko (#3)

It's a fantasy where politicians can be trusted to help the weak, poor, and indigent.

So the GI Bill, TVA, Hoover Dam, SS were all failures?

Neither of these government programs, save perhaps SS was designed or intended to help the weak, poor and indigent. And frankly none, save perhaps SS, do that today. Fortunately the GI Bill and Hoover Dam have some useful life in them. The SS is going broke and will not be around of much longer to help anyone. Further the Federal government of late is even fcking up the military, which in no way exists to help the weak, poor and indigent of the U.S. save for national catastrophes.

But I know a good uber liberal sych as yourself truly believes that no-one succeeds in life without the help of the government. After all you didn't build anything or achieving anything in your life without Big Brother having given it to you, right?

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-08   11:44:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#6)

"The SS is going broke and will not be around of much longer to help anyone."

"... the military, which in no way exists to help the weak, poor and indigent of the U.S..."

Social Security currently runs a surplus, as you know, and IMHO our next president and congress will follow in the footsteps of Ron Reagan and make the changes necessary to guarantee solvency far into the future.

As for your comment about the military, no one could disagree that the DOD's spending is out of control and frivolous, their treatment of veterans is unacceptable, and their management structure is dysfunctional. However, for a whole bunch of young Americans, the military is the option of last resort for any gainful employment.....

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   12:02:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#10)

Social Security currently runs a surplus, as you know,

No, I don't know. Please document this.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-08   12:13:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SOSO (#15)

No, I don't know.

Now you do.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html

Learning is fun!

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   12:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jameson (#16)

Learning is fun!

Learning is supposed to be educational. Look at the charts very carefully. The best that can be said is that SS has been about breaking even over the last few years. The look at the trend. This might not be fun for you but it should be educational.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-08   13:26:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: SOSO (#19)

The best that can be said is that SS has been about breaking even over the last few years.

I don't agree with your premise that SS is insolvent, and I would further disagree that SS is about breaking even.

Asset reserves grew from about $47 billion at the end of December 1986 to about $2,789 billion ($2.8 trillion) by the end of December 2014.

Operations in calendar year 20141
[In billions]
Income $884.3
Outgo 859.2
Difference 25.0
$25 Billion in excess (in 2014) is significantly more than "about breaking even" it's about 3%

While we can agree that changes are in order, Social Security has been solvent and growing since 1935! .

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-08   13:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jameson (#20)

Asset reserves grew from about $47 billion at the end of December 1986 to about $2,789 billion ($2.8 trillion) by the end of December 2014.

Those numbers exist in a vacuum, away from US backed securities that are purchased against that fund to pay other spending and/or debts.

I suggest you branch out of your current mode of research and start reading between the lines.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-08   19:08:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: TheFireBert (#27)

I suggest you branch out of your current mode of research and start reading between the lines.

Yeah....whatever......

Bottom line - Social Security is not insolvent. Our congress, as pathetic as they are, will never let Social Security go broke.

My mode of research used the official Social Security Website, I'll trust them before I'll buy into a theory put forth by some character on a right-wing malcontent circle-jerk web chat room.

The sky is not falling!

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