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Title: Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements
Source: NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u ... foreign-replacements.html?_r=0
Published: Jun 3, 2015
Author: JULIA PRESTON
Post Date: 2015-06-03 13:54:58 by Willie Green
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Views: 18860
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ORLANDO, Fla. — The employees who kept the data systems humming in the vast Walt Disney fantasy fief did not suspect trouble when they were suddenly summoned to meetings with their boss.

While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney World ticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.

Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.

“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “It was so humiliating to train somebody else to take over your job. I still can’t grasp it.”

The layoffs at Disney and at other companies, including the Southern California Edison power utility, are raising new questions about how businesses and outsourcing companies are using the temporary visas, known as H-1B, to place immigrants in technology jobs in the United States. These visas are at the center of a fierce debate in Congress over whether they complement American workers or displace them.

According to federal guidelines, the visas are intended for foreigners with advanced science or computer skills to fill discrete positions when American workers with those skills cannot be found. Their use, the guidelines say, should not “adversely affect the wages and working conditions” of Americans. Because of legal loopholes, however, in practice companies do not have to recruit American workers first or guarantee that Americans will not be displaced.

Too often, critics say, the visas are being used to import immigrants to do the work of Americans for less money, with laid-off American workers having to train their replacements.

“The program has created a highly lucrative business model of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers to substitute for Americans,” said Ronil Hira, a professor of public policy at Howard University who studies visa programs and has testified before Congress about H-1B visas.

A limited number of the visas, 85,000, are granted each year, and they are in hot demand. Technology giants like Microsoft, Facebook and Google repeatedly press for increases in the annual quotas, saying there are not enough Americans with the skills they need.

Many American companies use H-1B visas to bring in small numbers of foreigners for openings demanding specialized skills, according to official reports. But for years most top recipients of the visas have been outsourcing or consulting firms based in India, or their American subsidiaries, which import workers for large contracts to take over entire in-house technology units — and to cut costs. The immigrants are employees of the outsourcing companies.

In 2013, those firms — including Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services and HCL America, the company hired by Disney — were six of the top 10 companies granted H-1Bs, with each one receiving more than one thousand visas.

H-1B immigrants work for less than American tech workers, Professor Hira said at a hearing in March of the Senate Judiciary Committee, because of weaknesses in wage regulations. The savings have been 25 percent to 49 percent less in recent cases, he told lawmakers.

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#1. To: A Pole (#0)

Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.

Capitalism!

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-03   13:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

Be interesting to see who the supporters of this are. Also, its not just Disney that is replacing domestic employees with newly brought in foreigners.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-03   14:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pericles (#1)

Capitalism!

A more accurate term is "Affirmative Action Capitalism."

Last time I was at Disney with the family there were not many American families vacationing there. Most were from other countries and speaking different languages. So maybe having foreign workers there who speak those languages helps Disney. Dunno.

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-03   14:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#3)

An H1B slave won't question its hive-master when it knows there are millions of mouths waiting to move up the Caste ladder.

VxH  posted on  2015-06-03   17:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

Ahh heck - thank goodness for those companies that
moved to Florida and Switzerland.

Better than employing those dang Mexicans.
They wouldn't be able to manufacture semiconductors
anyway.

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-06-03   17:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#1)

Capitalism!

It would make you so happy if big daddy gov could take all of Disney's income, divide it amongst the populace and TELL Disney who they'll hire for employees... that more your socialist style? lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-03   17:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)

t would make you so happy if big daddy gov could take all of Disney's income, divide it amongst the populace and TELL Disney who they'll hire for employees... that more your socialist style? lol

How about hiring Americans. That would make me happy. But American employees hurt the bottom line so import the cheap Indian labor.

Got to love CAPITALISM!

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-03   20:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GrandIsland, the progressive dupe. (#6)

It would make you so happy if big daddy gov could take all of Disney's income, divide it amongst the populace and TELL Disney who they'll hire for employees... that more your socialist style? lol

No, -- YOU would so happy if your big daddy gov, (that you support with most every post you make), could take all of Disney's income, divide it amongst the populace and TELL Disney who they'll hire for employees... That's more like your progressive style...

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-03   20:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles (#7)

You make the typical mistake of the novice leftist, whether because of ignorance or dishonesty is of no matter to me.

It's cronyism, not capitalism.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-06-03   21:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Dead Culture Watch (#9)

You make the typical mistake of the novice leftist, whether because of ignorance or dishonesty is of no matter to me.

It's cronyism, not capitalism.

You have this fantasy notion of capitalism. If the USA can't get it right, who can?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-03   21:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Willie Green (#0)

The employees who kept the data systems humming in the vast Walt Disney fantasy fief did not suspect trouble when they were suddenly summoned to meetings with their boss.

While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney World ticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch.

Any kid taking up computer programming and information technology in college is nuts. He's setting himself to be replaced by a dumbass brought in from a foreign country who works at 1/3 salary and screws everything up.

I used to order books and CDs from a particular company. The ordering program was flawless and easy to use. Last year I ordered about $500 worth of books through them. About seven months ago they instituted a new program apparently written by a foreign operation. Since that time I have been unable to place an order. I wrote repeated them E-mail asking them to junk the new program and reinstitute the old program, which was flawless. They repeatedly wrote back telling me that their new program was superb. I can't make it work. It's cost them about $400 dollars worth of business from me alone this year. During this time they have sent me numerous E-mails asking me for business. I have found other sources to make purchases. To hell with them. People are God damned stupid.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-03   23:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Dead Culture Watch, Pericles (#9)

It's cronyism, not capitalism.

The Rat cult is a prime example of Corporatism, the worship of corporate "culture" at the expense of American principle.

VxH  posted on  2015-06-06   8:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green (#0)

This is happening all over the country, yet the idiot politicians still insist that we have a shortage of "tech workers".

cranko  posted on  2015-06-06   8:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#11)

Any kid taking up computer programming and information technology in college is nuts.

Amen to that. Back 20 years ago IT was inhabited by individuals who could do and perform. There was a time when BS and buzzwords didn't compile.

Today it's increasingly the domain of bullshyte artists who think its clever that they cheated their way through college and know little more than lots of buzzwords.

Knowing lots of buzzwords doesn't keep their AML (Anti Money Laundering) SQL from taking hours to run. Just a coinkidink?

VxH  posted on  2015-06-06   8:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: cranko (#13)

yet the idiot politicians still insist that we have a shortage of "tech workers".

Oh they know exactly what they're doing.

They're giving what remains of American ideology a cashectomy. H1B slaves will serve and obey the vanguard elite without question.

VxH  posted on  2015-06-06   8:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pericles (#1) (Edited)

Capitalism!

It's not capitalism, it's the result of misguided government programs like H1B.

H1B was originally an immigration program to bring the best and brightest tech people to the U.S. Having the best and brightest people in the world migrate to America is a good thing. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.

Today H1B is used by Indian technology services companies gain competitive advantage over America technology services companies. They flood the market with cheap, inexperience people and back them up with large numbers of even cheaper people in India. H1B is not even an immigration program any longer, as only 2% of H1Bs who work for these Indian companies apply to become permanent residents. H1Bs who work for Indian companies come here for 4 to 5 years to learn how to compete against us and then go back home to assume leadership positions managing the yokels back home.

It's not only H1B. Indian companies have been shown to be cheat on L1 visas as well.

We need to eliminate the government H1B program and crack down on Indian companies cheating on the government L1 visa program.

Unfortunately, a broad swath of Democrats and Republicans are completely clueless and continue to support H1B. In fact, there is a bill in Congress to more than quadruple the number of H1Bs we let into the country each year.

The government created this situation and it needs to end it.

cranko  posted on  2015-06-06   8:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: cranko (#16)

What fantasy notion of capitalism do you have where owners cherish workers enough to not under cut them with cheaper labor?

It's OK if the owners do it to factory workers but once they do it to skilled middle class college educated labor suddenly you lot get upset?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-06   12:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles, Willie Green, A Pole (#1)

Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers,

Isn't Disney ran by big progressive gay liberals?

These guys have never seen such a construct and would pee their pants if they had to actually survive in it!

Not saying government is not needed because clearly we need several layers of government. If we had a real government of the people for the people and by the people this garbage would not happen.

Justified  posted on  2015-06-06   15:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Justified (#18)

Isn't Disney ran by big progressive gay liberals?

No, by profit driven capitalists.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-06   18:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pericles (#19)

Bob iger pro gay, anti conservative,anti gun, anti Christian progressive.

He got into a big todo a few years ago for his believes and company policies.

Justified  posted on  2015-06-06   18:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Justified (#20) (Edited)

Bob iger pro gay, anti conservative,anti gun, anti Christian progressive.

He got into a big todo a few years ago for his believes and company policies.

You confuse capitalism with Christian values. And you confuse social conservationism with capitalism. But you GOP morons serve as useful idiots to capitalists though. You useful idiots always mention how the New Testament is anti-gay - and its - and ignore the Jesus condemned the rich and the worldly and markets of the money changers and how he was pro poor at the expense of the rich.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-06   18:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pericles (#21)

morons are the ones that think government is the answer to all questions.

Capitalism must be regulated but not overwhelmed by idiots in government. We in the USA haven't seen capitalism in my lifetime.

You confuse capitalism with chaos!

Justified  posted on  2015-06-06   18:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Justified (#22)

You defend a fantasy system then.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-06   19:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Willie Green (#0)

“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “

You have to wonder what these clowns thought globalization was all about,don't you?

Being as how most that voted most likely vote a straight Dim ticket (causen yew not be kewel ifn ya don't),so they probably thought it was to bring their 3rd world brothers up to US union scale.

AND.....,it is now a self-fulfilling prophecy. This has became so common now that nobody wants to spend the time and the money to get an advanced education in computer sciences because they know they can't work as cheaply as some Asian immigrant.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pericles (#1)

Capitalism!

On it's face and for the time being it is unfettered capitalism maybe,but in the end it is your idol's (communism) big brother Fascism at work.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Stoner (#2)

Be interesting to see who the supporters of this are.

What would be interesting would be to see who the big money men are behind these 3rd world headhunter companies.

And which congresscritters and US Senators they own or rent.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dead Culture Watch (#9)

It's cronyism, not capitalism.

It's always cronyism when you are dealing with royal families. The new Royal familes are the international bankers. The prime difference is they are not stuck with ruling just one country. They are going to rule the world.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: cranko (#13)

This is happening all over the country,

It's happening all over the world.

BMW and Mercedes now have horrible repair records,with Volvo in a rush to join them at the bottom.

It ain't because Swedish or German workers are half-ass engineering and assembling the cars. It's because of Muslim immigrants with the IQ of a slow camel and the speed of a sloth being hired to replace the natives.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: cranko (#16)

We need to eliminate the government H1B program

Yew jist a cracka racist! I' gwana tell prez obomber on yew,and he's gawn nail yo ass wid a drone,sucka!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Justified (#18)

Isn't Disney ran by big progressive gay liberals?

Yes,and so are Microsoft,Apple,and every other high tech company in America.

If you don't believe they are "progressive",just ask them and they will tell you about how they hate racism,sexism,country music,and haters,and brag about how they give millions to save the environment so they can have a place to ski.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-06   20:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#26)

" which congresscritters and US Senators they own or rent. "

That would most likely be most, if not all of them.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-06   21:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pericles (#10)

You have this fantasy notion of capitalism. If the USA can't get it right, who can?

And you are a brain dead idiot.

See how easy it is to dismiss you right back? Now should I throw in the non-sequitur?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-06-07   1:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: rlk (#11)

I used to order books and CDs from a particular company. The ordering program was flawless and easy to use. Last year I ordered about $500 worth of books through them. About seven months ago they instituted a new program apparently written by a foreign operation. Since that time I have been unable to place an order. I wrote repeated them E-mail asking them to junk the new program and reinstitute the old program, which was flawless. They repeatedly wrote back telling me that their new program was superb. I can't make it work. It's cost them about $400 dollars worth of business from me alone this year. During this time they have sent me numerous E-mails asking me for business. I have found other sources to make purchases. To hell with them. People are God damned stupid.

I just went to a birthday party today and ran into a relative by marriage, stepmoms brother in law, who until 2 months ago, was head of a team at Microsoft. For the last number of years, he's been watching all his guys under him get replaced, after they trained their replacements, and yes, they were from India.

Oh, I asked him how he felt about this as it was going on, he was real ok with it, heck, he traveled to India a few times a year, went first class, said he loved that 3rd world cesspool, everything was wonderful. Myself, I thought he was a POS for being so cavalier about what he was a part of, but bit my tongue for peace in the family.

Well, now that they have seen fit to eliminate him from his work, and get replaced by a wonderful Indian guy, I can't help but laugh at him. He was about six months from 20 years also, and somehow, that put a real hemmerhroid on his retirement plans. Almost brought a tear to my eye. (Not really)

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-06-07   1:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Dead Culture Watch (#32) (Edited)

You are the fools defending this mythical capitalism.

What fantasy notion of capitalism do you have where owners cherish workers enough to not under cut them with cheaper labor?

It's OK if the owners do it to factory workers but once they do it to skilled middle class college educated labor suddenly you lot get upset?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-07   2:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Dead Culture Watch, rlk, A Pole (#33) (Edited)

I just went to a birthday party today and ran into a relative by marriage, stepmoms brother in law, who until 2 months ago, was head of a team at Microsoft. For the last number of years, he's been watching all his guys under him get replaced, after they trained their replacements, and yes, they were from India.

Maybe Republican idiots should have supported unionized labor. Sucks to not have union protection, don't it?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-07   2:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Dead Culture Watch (#33) (Edited)

I just went to a birthday party today and ran into a relative by marriage, stepmoms brother in law, who until 2 months ago, was head of a team at Microsoft. For the last number of years, he's been watching all his guys under him get replaced, after they trained their replacements, and yes, they were from India. Well, now that they have seen fit to eliminate him from his work, and get replaced by a wonderful Indian guy, I can't help but laugh at him.

And you call Microsoft for advice on something, or they call you, and you can't understand a word they say. But little Billy Gates is on a personal mission to unite the world. His programs no longer are worth a damn, but he has a greater mission now since he married that chick. He wants to be a world leader now, something more suitable to his grandiosity.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-07   3:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pericles (#35) (Edited)

Maybe Republican idiots should have supported unionized labor. Sucks to not have union protection, don't it?

You reallyy have no clue aboutt Unions do yyou?

Lenny  posted on  2015-06-07   7:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pericles (#35)

Maybe Republican idiots should have supported unionized labor. Sucks to not have union protection, don't it?

The unions supported Clinton even after NAFTA. The Unions are largely corrupt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-07   8:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dead Culture Watch (#33) (Edited)

Oh, I asked him how he felt about this as it was going on, he was real ok with it, heck, he traveled to India a few times a year, went first class, said he loved that 3rd world cesspool, everything was wonderful. Myself, I thought he was a POS for being so cavalier about what he was a part of, but bit my tongue for peace in the family.

Well, now that they have seen fit to eliminate him from his work, and get replaced by a wonderful Indian guy, I can't help but laugh at him. He was about six months from 20 years also, and somehow, that put a real hemmerhroid on his retirement plans. Almost brought a tear to my eye. (Not really)

Funny stuff (especially the part that *almost* brought a tear to your eye....AND the "hemorrhoid on his retirement plans.")

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   9:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pericles (#7) (Edited)

Got to love CAPITALISM!

Must you strain your bowels much to be THAT hypocritical?

I mean you work HERE in the USA for $$$...Instead of toiling at a Greek commune where you'd be gathering olives in a basket *after* washing your third-world village rags in a polluted river for "da communitah."

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   9:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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