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Title: This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says.
Source: ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: May 14, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-05-14 09:05:01 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 59236
Comments: 248

This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says.

This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations.

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV)

With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT)

Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV)

You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV)

You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV)

You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB)


Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}.

Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah.

'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse

m@erah is an execration:--curse.

The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed.

God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others.

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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)

"not rely upon the word or interpretation of others."

Ummm. Meaning I shouldn't rely on your interpretation.

Got it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-14   9:14:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Ummm. Meaning I shouldn't rely on your interpretation.

Absolutely correct. Do you think for even one minute saying to God, when He ask you why He should let you into His heaven, "well Bob said" is going to get you a free pass?

He will say to you, "Why didn't you read my Word yourself?"

For you see, misterwhite, I really don't care if you go to heaven or hell, but God does.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   9:34:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BobCeleste, GarySpFc, redleghunter (#2)

He will say to you, "Why didn't you read my Word yourself?"

I would then like to ask God why He deliberately confounded men by creating multiple languages at Babel so that we could not perfectly communicate with each other, especially in the communication of His words......but probably would lack the cojones to do that.

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   11:16:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SOSO (#8)

I would then like to ask God why He deliberately confounded men by creating multiple languages at Babel

And He will probably say: "Explained that in Genesis."

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   14:47:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BobCeleste, GaryDpFc, redleghunter, All (#12)

And He will probably say: "Explained that in Genesis."

Yes, it was to deliberately confound man. So why so if as you cliam the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew as spoken and written thousands and thousands of years ago. I, like 99.999% of the planet's population can't do that even if we had the time and wherewithal to do so. A bit of a conflicy here, no? Especially since you admit that we shouldn't trust you or anyone else to translate for us.

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   14:53:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SOSO, BobCeleste, GaryDpFc (#14)

Yes, it was to deliberately confound man. So why so if as you cliam the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew as spoken and written thousands and thousands of years ago. I, like 99.999% of the planet's population can't do that even if we had the time and wherewithal to do so. A bit of a conflicy here, no? Especially since you admit that we shouldn't trust you or anyone else to translate for us.

As I stated and provided information in my previous post...God provided His Gospel in all languages by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   16:34:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: redleghunter, BobCeleste, GarySpFc (#16)

As I stated and provided information in my previous post...God provided His Gospel in all languages by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Take that argument up with Rev. Bob, it's his thread that says you are wrong.

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   21:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SOSO, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#27)

Take that argument up with Rev. Bob, it's his thread that says you are wrong.

No, Bob is pointing out we should be proficient in deriving our doctrines from the original languages.

My point was that God never expected all believers to comprehend Greek and Hebrew. Most who claim that they can are either theologians who spent years mastering the language or people reading a lexicon put together by theologians and claiming they know the original languages.

As evidenced in the NT, followers of Christ ranged from the simple fishermen and shepherd to the educated tax collector as in Matthew and accomplished Pharisee theologian as in Paul.

Different gifts are given to each Christian filled with the Holy Spirit. Paul discusses this in length in his epistles and we see it in action in Acts. Different members of the same Body of Christ. Some are gifted as teachers, some are servants of the church, some are overseers (bishops or elders), some are gifted to reprove, rebuke, encourage, some gifted in languages, some to heal, some are gifted evangelists, some with the gift of love which is the greatest of all. Many more. All are parts of the same body. Some are legs and arms, some eyes and ears, all serve God's purpose and will.

All of the above came to know Christ by hearing the Word of the Gospel in their own language as God promised.

Thus it was written, thus it is so Jasper.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   23:08:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#35)

My point was that God never expected all believers to comprehend Greek and Hebrew.

Exactly. That is why He offers everyone Faith. But you understand this.

"Different gifts are given to each Christian filled with the Holy Spirit. "

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15   0:03:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: SOSO (#46)

Faith in what? Faith has to have an. object.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-16   11:56:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GarySpFC (#111)

Faith in what? Faith has to have an. object.

What? Are you serious? What is the object of your faith? Gaia? Government? The Great Wheel? Stop being silly.

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-16   13:06:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: SOSO (#113)

What? Are you serious? What is the object of your faith? Gaia? Government? The Great Wheel? Stop being silly.

Faith is an action, or a readiness to act, based on the confidence one has in the object of their belief. Mine is Jesus Christ.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-16   19:45:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: GarySpFC (#120)

And that confidence comes from a relationship, from knowing, the 'object', aka individual, unique being, etc.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-05-16   21:38:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Biff Tannen (#123)

And that confidence comes from a relationship, from knowing, the 'object', aka individual, unique being, etc.

The big question remains as to how one knows the object of his faith.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-17   7:43:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#145. To: GarySpFC (#128)

How one knows he is there is by revelation, only, initiated by him, always.

On how one gets to know him, through a relationship, developing over time as effort is put into it.

And confidence grows as the relationship deepens.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-05-17 21:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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