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Title: NEW POLL: 60% OF REPUBLICANS WILL NOT VOTE IN 2016 IF BUSH IS THE NOMINEE
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Game Changer PAC
URL Source: http://gamechangerpac.com/new-poll- ... n-2016-if-bush-is-the-nominee/
Published: May 9, 2015
Author: Timothy Core
Post Date: 2015-05-09 11:13:52 by Hondo68
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In a poll by Game Changer PAC, surveying 2,226 likely Republican voters, 59.66% of respondents said that if Jeb Bush ends up as the 2016 Republican Presidential Nominee… they won’t vote at all in the 2016 General Election.
The poll shows that Republican voters are tired of holding their noses and will no longer vote in lock-step with the party.
Bush is seen as a fundraising powerhouse and is on track to raise over 100 million dollars by the end of May. This fact is causing the establishment wing of the Republican party to salivate more than Pavlov’s Dogs in a fire drill. The sad fact is that throughout recent history BOTH major parties have decided which perspective nominees will be endorsed by the full weight of their parties primarily on fundraising successes.
The Republican party has been dealing with push-back from this model for the last few years with the rise of the Tea Party- and has seen some positive results and an energized base- though this is not the party’s doing or desire.
The Democrat party has maintained this model and used the rise of the Tea Party as fodder for negative campaign ads. With some candidates and strategists even going so far as to brand Republican candidates with ZERO tea party support as “Tea Partiers” or “Tea Baggers” in the hopes that by branding them in that way the Democrat’s low-information segment will become energized due to a stigma that has been unfairly attached to all members of the Tea Party due to the actions of a few of them.
While it is still too early to tell if the establishment wings of both parties will get the message that simply running candidates that share 90% of the same views, just with a different letter behind their name, doesn’t work anymore. The American people are doing their best to try to get that message across.
However, when you listen to most pundits, the race has already been fought. Most have declared that in the 2016 general election Jeb Bush will be pitted against Hillary Clinton and that Clinton will come out ahead, ultimately becoming the 45th President of the United States.
But in reality we still have no clue who the nominees will be much less the next President. Currently there are over 300 people who have filed with the FEC to run for President in 2016, with more added all the time.
One thing is for sure though: If Jeb Bush is the Republican Presidential Nominee, whoever the Democrat Presidential Nominee is will be the next President.
UPDATE (5/8/2015):
A large number of people have accused Game Changer PAC of lying about the results, Of making the whole thing up as a hit piece against Jeb Bush, Of not using a random sample for our poll, et cetera ad nauseam.
This update is to clarify some of those misconceptions.
- The plain and simple truth is that it was a scientific poll, open to all likely Republican Primary voters. The respondents had to answer YES to the question “Are you likely to vote in the Republican Presidential Primaries” in order to be counted.
- There were no incentives to be part of the poll and there were no restrictions such as liking our facebook page, following us on twitter, or being subscribed to our newsletter.
- We took great pains when crafting the poll to be fully impartial and not show favoritism to ANY candidate over another. No candidates’ names were listed as part of the text of a question, and in answer sections that listed candidates’ names, as possible answers, all candidates were listed in alphabetical order.
- The question “SELECT THE CANDIDATES -IF ANY- , THAT, IF THEY BECAME THE NOMINEE, WOULD CAUSE YOU TO NOT VOTE IN THE 2016 GENERAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.” was an optional question that respondents were not required to answer.
- We included this question because of what we saw in the 2014 California Gubernatorial Election. In that election you had 3 main candidates.
Jerry Brown (Democratic incumbent)
Neel Kashkari (“Establishment” Republican candidate)
Tim Donnelly (“Tea Party” Republican candidate)
Kashkari was seen by many Tea Party Republicans as more liberal than Brown due to his management of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). Donnelly was a founding member of the “Minute Men” civilian border patrol and an unabashed right winger. Kashkari was a late entry, to replace Able Maldonado who dropped out, with a lot of money behind him.
Because of Kashkari’s perceived liberalism many far right Republicans publicly stated that they would skip the General Election if Donnelly wasn’t the nominee -Since write-ins aren’t allowed in partisan General Elections in California due to Prop 14.
Kashkari went on to beat Donnelly in the Primary and then those who said that they wouldn’t vote in the general, didn’t. The 2014 California Gubernatorial General Election had a turnout rate of 21.4% which was not only a record low but less than half of the turn out seen in the 2010 midterms.
- We were very surprised by the result of the poll, which is why we wrote about it. If a different candidate had seen a similar result then it would be their name in the title of this article, not Jeb Bush’s.
- Game Changer PAC has not endorsed or backed any Current or Potential 2016 Presidential Candidate from ANY political party.
We understand that this is not a favorable poll result for Jeb Bush. We understand why so many have reservations about believing the results. However, those were the results.
Thank you for reading.
UPDATE 2 (5/8/15)
For those of you that are complaining about the Margin of Error.
We calculated margin of error using the z*-Value for 95% confidence (standard) which is 1.96 we used the proper equation of : Z√P(1-P)/n=1.96√(0.5966)(.4034)/2226 =(1.96)(0.010397) = 0.02037812
Which means a 2% margin of error
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" the same ol' BS. "
True. But continuing to vote for establishment candidates is not going to change things. Look how it has turned out for the last umpteenth years.
As long as they think we have no where else to go, they are not going to change.
We can either try, or wait for TSHTF. I am trying to be optimistic.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#19. To: Stoner (#18)
We can either try, or wait for TSHTF. I am trying to be optimistic.
Back in the good 'ol days of yesteryear, politicians were both educated and had principals so you could "try" to believe in certain ideals with little remiss. Voting today is a waste of tyme as politicians have neither principals or education irrespective of their publick costumes they proudly prance around under.
Waiting for "TSHTF" seems a bit boring to me as these publick charlatans are going to milk the system for all they can get. Think of it like this: they have already received 18 trillion bucks; this process took decades. The USA is going for 100 trillion and no end is in sight.
#20. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, Pericles (#9)
CAN Tea Partiers unite on a candidate from that list? I doubt it.
It's rare that the various wingnuts can unite to prevent the party elite from imposing a nominee. Reagan was a notable exception where the party base imposed a candidate on the GOP that they didn't want. The party elite wanted a Bush back in 1980, not Reagan.
And IF the Tea Partiers unite on a candidate, will the Establishment support that candidate?
Only if the candidate is strong enough as a politician to carry the vote. If the GOP money men think the candidate is lousy, they won't cough up much. But you saw Romney manage to raise just under a billion in 2012. Bush can raise that much. So can a number of others.
For both the base voters and for the GOP elite, you pretty much have to support the party's nominee as that is the only game in town for a lot of factions like the pro-military and the pro-lifers and so on. They are the only game in town for some voters, pro-lifers being just one example.
Chances are, if the base managed to impose a conservative nominee, say Cruz or Paul, against the party elite's choice, the money men would likely demand a VP pick they like. Much as they demanded that Reagan accept Bush as his VP back in 1980. That was the price of their support.
To answer your other question, as soon as people start talking about a conservative unity candidate, Walker's name keeps coming up. It seems to be an election Thing with Iowa voters already.
So you have IA/NV/NH/SC. NV doesn't count for much but someone will pick up a few delegates there. Someone like Walker (or Paul or Cruz) will have to win at least two of those early primaries to build up delegate counts and support (including financial) in order to compete in Florida against Bush and Rubio who will be splitting the Florida vote with both of them gearing up to fight it out in Florida.
Florida in 2008 and 2012 flouted RNC rules and went winner-take-all, despite RNC rules that winner-take-all contests only occur earlier in states like NH and SC. So if the Florida GOP can be restrained by the RNC and award its delegates proportionally by the rules, the primary battle can continue somewhat longer, giving other candidates a better chance. So how and when the FL GOP primary is conducted is important to the outcome. Florida GOP naturally want to be seen as the GOP kingmaker. And Florida is one of 8 must-win competitive states for the GOP in 2016.
#21. To: hondo68 (#12)
Yeah, they all say that but really mean switch to MY candidate. That never seems to work.
One of Walker's strengths is that he ranks high as the second-pick of so many GOP voters.
So a lot of people seem willing to settle on him if their fave fails (Fiorina, Huck, Carson, etc.).
So Walker may be the anti-Bush in 2016, much as Santorum ended up as the anti-Romney in 2012.
I think the Tea folk and conservatives are pretty aware of how Romney outlasted and outspent them as they jumped from Gingrich to Herman Cain (WTH?) to Santorum. Romney just outspent them and hung on and prevailed almost inevitably. So I think more GOP voters are thinking hard about who can stop Bush in 2016 before he gains almost unstoppable momentum and party elite backing.
#22. To: hondo68 (#0)
The poll shows that Republican voters are tired of holding their noses and will no longer vote in lock-step with the party.
Damn shame we weren't all doing this when that evil bastard Poppy was first running.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#23. To: rlk (#7)
Reaganites have refused to vote. In so doing, they have made themselves irrelevant.
Better to be irrelevant than to be a traitor to your own beliefs.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#24. To: sneakypete (#22)
Damn shame we weren't all doing this when that evil bastard Poppy was first running.
Poppy?
You should go all the way back in tyme and refreshyour recollection for the study of Abe Lincoln, the first US President of GOP creation. It was an abortion then and the GOP is an abortion now.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
Will Walker do? Paul? Perry? Is there somebody else viable out there who seriously has any shot that I'm forgetting.
It's too early to tell. Lots of people "look good" in theory,but then fall apart once they start campaigning and start compromising their principles.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#26. To: Chuck_Wagon (#11)
So who the heck am I supposed to vote for?
You could always vote for me. That way I would get two votes.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#27. To: sneakypete (#26)
You could always vote for me.
What is your political stand on snapping turtles
versus painted turtles?
#28. To: Chuck_Wagon (#27)
#29. To: TooConservative (#20)
the various wingnuts
Yeah, wingnuts who believe in things like Constitutional republics vs. oligarchies run by false messiahs (whether they be of the R or D variety). Imagine that.
Both branches of the ruling party have their wingnuts. But since the natural flow of self governance is to move ever leftward and to devolve into socialism, statism and then finally dictatorship, the D branch wingnuts have an advantage.
Their "stuff" gets done. So it doesn't matter whether they back an Obozo, a Xlinton, a Sanders or a Warren. Just as sure as water finds its level, the fedgov is going to devolve faster and faster.
So the only disappointment the D wingnuts ever experience is thinking their person didn't "go far enough".
The R branch wingnuts, however, are constanty lied to by those who pander to them. Because those wingnuts not only want gov't to stop growning and stop taking away freedoms, but they actually want it to go back to some semblance of abiding by the Constitution.
Something that's never, ever going to happen.
So THIS wingnut - who's finally woken up to the fact that it doesn't matter whether a D or an R is dictator - has decided not to play anymore.
#30. To: Rufus T Firefly (#29)
So THIS wingnut - who's finally woken up to the fact that it doesn't matter whether a D or an R is dictator - has decided not to play anymore.
You could have saved yourself a lot of keystrokes by just admitting you're politically irrelevant.
Is that whole I'll-get-even-with-them-all-by-not-voting thing really working out so well for you? Keeps you warm at night?
Voting may be almost pointless but not voting is complete irrelevance.
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
You could have saved yourself a lot of keystrokes by just admitting you're politically irrelevant.
I am, and I know it. You are too, but apparently you do not know it.
Is that whole I'll-get-even-with-them-all-by-not-voting thing really working out so well for you? Keeps you warm at night?
How's that 2014 mid term working out for you? Boy that Boehner and McConnell - really kicking Zero's butt, eh?
Voting may be almost pointless but not voting is complete irrelevance.Yeah, they had voting in the old USSR, too.
#32. To: Gatlin (#1)
I will never vote for Bush. He is a piece of shit. People who vote for Bush are pieces of shit.
#33. To: Gatlin (#10)
That might not be a bad ticket, actually: Walker/Perry; Wisconsin and Texas. Yep.
Nope. Perry isn't that great. Walker changed his position on immigration.
#34. To: Chuck_Wagon (#11)
and I won't vote for Rand.
I would vote for Rand if he gets the nomination.
#35. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#32)
I will never vote for Bush. He is a piece of shit. People who vote for Bush are pieces of shit.
How do you reconcile your vote for a popular GOP candidate a few years back? Let's jerk your memory into the forefront of thought: Johnny McCain.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#34)
All Jeb will do is split the non KILLARY voters. He stands no chance.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
#37. To: buckeroo (#35)
How do you reconcile your vote for a popular GOP candidate a few years back? Let's jerk your memory into the forefront of thought: Johnny McCain.
I'm not dumb enough to believe that Obama is as bad as McCain.
You just complain no matter what. That is apparently your purpose on earth.
#38. To: A K A Stone (#33)
Who are you looking at now?
#39. To: A K A Stone, Chuck_Wagon (#34)
and I won't vote for Rand.I would vote for Rand if he gets the nomination.
Same here....of course.
#40. To: Gatlin (#38)
Ted Cruz. Then Rand Paul. Maybe Walker.
No Bush
No Christie
No Huckabee
Maybe just Maybe Perry
#41. To: buckeroo (#28)
...Turtle Sex...
Every summer a pair of box turtles mate in my back
yard under the azalea bushes. I'm convinced it's
the same pair. The AVERAGE lifespan of the things
is 50 years.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)
You just complain no matter what.
There is an "apparent" disconnect about principles and agreement of observed contemporary standards in society. You believe in this silly society called "America" and you believe you can change it. I do not believe America can be fixed.
You don't realize what you are doing on this forum; and you are the supreme moderator.
#43. To: Chuck_Wagon (#41)
Change their lives around; give 'em a shoe.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#40) (Edited)
I am with you on the "no" list.
I have always held open to Cruz.
Perry doesn't "show" well for the cameras, but he has a great accomplishment record....and he was a governor. I would like to see him as VP, at least.
Edit: I forgot to mention Rand Paul. Oh....never mind.
#45. To: Gatlin (#44)
Perry doesn't "show" well for the cameras, but he has a great accomplishment record....and he was a governor. I would like to see him as VP, at least.
In 2011, this bastard was kicked out of the GOP nomination:
By Sandhya Somashekhar and Perry Bacon Jr. September 23, 2011
Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s support for a law allowing illegal immigrants in Texas to pay in-state tuition is emerging as a key vulnerability as he seeks to maintain his frontrunner status in the Republican presidential race.
At Thursday’s GOP debate in Florida, Perry defended his support for the Texas DREAM Act by calling critics of the law insensitive. “If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they have been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart,” Perry said.
#46. To: Gatlin (#44)
Yes. As most of us knew all along, you are a dumb fuck. It isn't your fault but most responsible people ask: why do we pay for this abortion called, "Gatlin."
#47. To: buckeroo (#46)
I am against strongly against abortion, but I would have easily made an exception in your case.
#48. To: Gatlin (#47)
I am against strongly against abortion, but I would have easily made an exception in your case.
You have so many cases on your shoulders, I'm but a small fry. You are a liar and a thief.
#49. To: buckeroo (#42)
You believe in this silly society called "America" and you believe you can change it. I do not believe America can be fixed.
Can't never could.
#50. To: buckeroo (#19)
Waiting for "TSHTF" seems a bit boring to me
Yeah, especially if you do not want to be the one to lock & load and lead the charge.
What do you suggest?
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#51. To: buckeroo (#42)
" I do not believe America can be fixed. "
That is pretty much where I am.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#52. To: Stoner (#51)
Are you voting?
#53. To: Gatlin (#47)
To: buckeroo
I am against strongly against abortion, but I would have easily made an exception in your case.
His mother should have ate his bones before they hardened.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
#54. To: Chuck_Wagon (#41)
...Turtle Sex... Every summer a pair of box turtles mate in my back yard under the azalea bushes. I'm convinced it's the same pair. The AVERAGE lifespan of the things is 50 years.
10 years shorter than it takes for the male to orgasm.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#55. To: buckeroo (#52)
" Are you voting? "
Of course, I always do.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#56. To: buckeroo (#24)
Poppy?
Yes,Poppy. The Dims started selling us out to the communists under Roosevelt,and it was Poppy that sold us out to the Nazi.s
And to think we all grew up thinking the Nazi's had lost WW-2!
You should go all the way back in tyme and refreshyour recollection for the study of Abe Lincoln, the first US President of GOP creation.
You must be older than me. Lincoln was long dead before I ever voted for anybody.
Granted,he was a truly corrupt and evil bastard,also.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#57. To: Chuck_Wagon (#27)
What is your political stand on snapping turtles versus painted turtles?
That depends. Are we talking pastel turtles,or day-glo turtles?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#32)
People who vote for Bush are pieces of shit.
That is unfair to pieces of shit. Some are smarter than the typical Bush voter.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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