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Title: Asian, African nations challenge 'obsolete' world order
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Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015 ... a-africa-idUSKBN0ND09820150422
Published: Apr 22, 2015
Author: Eveline Danubrata and Charlotte Greenfie
Post Date: 2015-04-22 10:36:46 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 4913
Comments: 29
JAKARTA (Reuters) - Leaders of Asian and African nations called on Wednesday for a new global order that is open to emerging economic powers and leaves the "obsolete ideas" of Bretton Woods institutions in the past.
Their calls came at the opening of a meeting of Asian and African nations in Jakarta to mark the 60th anniversary of a conference that made a developing-world stand against colonialism and led to the Cold War era's non-aligned movement.
Among the leaders listening were Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Chinese President Xi Jinping, who were expected to meet on the sidelines of the conference, the latest sign of a thaw in relations between the Asian rivals.
Sino-Japanese ties have chilled in recent years due to feuds over the two neighbors' wartime past, as well as territorial rows and regional rivalry. Bilateral talks in Jakarta on Wednesday could promote a cautious rapprochement that began when Abe and Xi met at a summit in Beijing late last year.
Abe, in an apparent reference to China's growing military assertiveness, told the conference that the use of force by the "mightier" should never go unchecked.
The Japanese prime minister also said Japan had pledged, "with feelings of deep remorse over the past war", to adhere to principles such as refraining from acts of aggression and settling international disputed by peaceful means.
It was not immediately clear if the remarks would satisfy China's desire for Japan to acknowledge its wartime past, but a Japanese official told Reuters Abe and Xi would meet.
Xi had earlier told the conference that "a new type of international relations" was needed to encourage cooperation between Asian and African nations, and said the developed world had an obligation to support the rest with no political strings attached, the Xinhua news agency said.
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Indonesian President Joko Widodo, the conference host, said those who still insisted that global economic problems could only be solved through the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and Asian Development Bank were clinging to "obsolete ideas".
"There needs to be change," he said. "It's imperative that we build a new international economic order that is open to new emerging economic powers."
The IMF and World Bank were at the center of the post-World War Two monetary order created by the United States and Europe at the Bretton Woods Conference in New Hampshire in 1944.
Widodo made no mention of the China-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) that is seen as a competitor to the Western-dominated World Bank and Asian Development Bank, but Indonesia is one of nearly 60 countries that have offered to be founding members of the AIIB.
The United States and Japan have not thrown their support behind the bank, which is viewed as a threat to U.S. efforts to extend its influence in the Asia-Pacific region and balance China's growing financial clout.
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe told the conference that Asian and African countries "should no longer be consigned to the role of exporters of primary goods and importers of finished goods".
He called it a "role that has historically been assigned to us by the colonial powers and starting from the days of colonialism".
Indonesia invited heads of state and government from 109 Asian and African countries, but according to a conference official, 21 leaders turned up, which commentators have said shows the group is no longer relevant.
The world order has changed dramatically since nearly 30 heads of state gathered in 1955 in the Indonesian town of Bandung to discuss security and economic development away from global powers embroiled in the Cold War.
Together they accounted for less than a quarter of global economic output at that time, but today they contribute to more than half of the world economy. Many of the Bandung countries, such as China and India, are now themselves at top tables like the Group of 20 and wield significant economic power.
Widodo said the group may be meeting in a changed world but still needed to stand together against the domination of "a certain group of countries" to avoid unfairness and global imbalances.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0) (Edited)
Leaders of Asian and African nations called on Wednesday for a new global order that is open to emerging economic powers and leaves the "obsolete ideas" of Bretton Woods institutions in the past.
Yeah,Asia is "emerging" after thousands of years of being backwards based ENTIRELY on our corporations the politicians owned by the corporations giving them our manufacturing base in exchange for their slave labor.
Africa is not and never will be emerging. They are a welfare continent entirely dependent on white people to keep feeding them so they don't eat each other.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
Africa is not and never will be emerging. They are a welfare continent entirely dependent on white people to keep feeding them so they don't eat each other.
The truth, but you won't hear it mentioned during black history month.
#3. To: sneakypete (#1) (Edited)
Yeah,Asia is "emerging" after thousands of years of being backwards based ENTIRELY on our corporations the politicians owned by the corporations giving them our manufacturing base in exchange for their slave labor.
Asia, backwards for thoudsands of years? Are you ill educated or just stupid?
China was more advanced on almost all levels than any country on earth until maybe the 1700s. If anything, the world is returning to the time Europeans came to the court of the divine ruler and groveled at his feet for trade deals.
#4. To: Pericles (#3)
Asia, backwards for thoudsands of years?
Yes. I lived in Asia for several years,and I also know a little of the history there.
You?
Are you ill educated or just stupid?
One of us is both,but it's not me.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#5. To: sneakypete (#4) (Edited)
Asia, backwards for thoudsands of years?
Meanwhile the west never figured out the concept of zero or came up with Indian numeral system or came close to the achievements of Chinese civilization for about 1,000 years.
It is only in the 17th century that Europe advanced beyond Asia and that was due to the discovery of the Americas and the Industrial/scientific revolution.
The West has only been dominant for these last 300 years and within the last 100 years of these 300 years the West fought 2 suicidal wars and invented communism and fascism.
#6. To: Pericles (#5)
Meanwhile the west never figured out the concept of zero or came up with Indian numeral system or came close to the achievements of Chinese civilization for about 1,000 years.
According to who? They were still having famines and leaving their babies outside to die less than 100 years ago in China,the Japanese were still thinking their emperor was a Sun God less than 100 years ago,and the Indians are still pretending they invented everything.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#7. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)
ccording to who? They were still having famines and leaving their babies outside to die less than 100 years ago in China,t
One more time - you stated "Asia is "emerging" after thousands of years of being backwards"
You stated THOUSANDS of backward years rather than hundreds. Except for the time of the Greeks and Romans the Asians were more advanced than anything in Europe until the 1700s.
The Europeans still could not figure out how to make china porcelain until 1712. So the west has only been more advanced than China for the last 200 years or so.
And in that time there was plenty of famine in Europe. Just ask the Irish.
#8. To: Pericles (#7)
You stated THOUSANDS of backward years rather than hundreds. Except for the time of the Greeks and Romans the Asians were more advanced than anything in Europe until the 1700s.
Yes,I did. Just exactly how long do YOU think Asia has existed as a landmass and groups of people? There were still Stone Age tribes living in Asia just a couple of decades ago.
You stated THOUSANDS of backward years rather than hundreds. Except for the time of the Greeks and Romans the Asians were more advanced than anything in Europe until the 1700s.
According to Asians.
If they were so advanced,why did they stall out and not advance? Why is is they are just now "emerging" in the 21st Century?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
You stated THOUSANDS of backward years rather than hundreds. Except for the time of the Greeks and Romans the Asians were more advanced than anything in Europe until the 1700s.According to Asians.
According to all quantifiable measurements of advancement. Even the Latin-Greek Alphabet is Asian as is the orgins of civilization (Mesopotamia is in Asia).
#10. To: sneakypete (#6)
Indians are still pretending they invented everything.
They invented mass swimming in the Ganges river among the crocodiles. Doesn't that count for anything?
#11. To: rlk (#10)
Indians are still pretending they invented everything.They invented mass swimming in the Ganges river among the crocodiles. Doesn't that count for anything?
Yes,it does. I'm hoping it becomes more popular.
I think they must have also invented Russians,because Russians claim to have invented everything.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#12. To: Pericles (#9)
According to all quantifiable measurements of advancement. Even the Latin-Greek Alphabet is Asian as is the orgins of civilization (Mesopotamia is in Asia).
And of course that was THE original alphabet,right?
Must have been,since they invented alphabets,huh?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#13. To: sneakypete (#12)
Must have been,since they invented alphabets,huh?
Latins got it from the Greeks who got from the Phoenicians - who are are Asians, FYI. Their alpha-bet is based on earlier Sumerian -also Asians.
#14. To: sneakypete (#1)
Yeah,Asia is "emerging" after thousands of years of being backwards based ENTIRELY on our corporations
China was the biggest world economy until beginning of XIX century.
Japan and Korea have already emerged, China is emerging and India is starting.
In 5 to 10 years Asian economies will dominate.
#15. To: A Pole, sneakypete (#14)
Yeah,Asia is "emerging" after thousands of years of being backwards based ENTIRELY on our corporations China was the biggest world economy until beginning of XIX century.Japan and Korea have already emerged, China is emerging and India is starting.
In 5 to 10 years Asian economies will dominate.
I forget what year of the Roman empire but I recall reading that a Roman writer (Livy?) who wrote that China was responsible for the loss of so much silver to get Chinese goods.
The eastern aka Byzantine Roman empire survived for 1,000 years because an industrial espionage mission - probably the greatest in history - went to China and smuggled out silkworms in bamboo chutes (China would closely guard the silk trade). After that, a bolt of silk would buy off a kingdom for the Byzantines.
Columbus was trying to get to China - China could have cared less if he made it or not.
Sneaky's lack of knowledge is just mind boggling.
#16. To: Pericles (#13)
Their alpha-bet is based on earlier Sumerian -also Asians.
For all you or anyone else knows,the Sumerians could have been pink and purple with orange hair.
Calling them Asians is a real stretch.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#17. To: A Pole (#14)
China was the biggest world economy until beginning of XIX century.
Big freaking deal. China was the most populous country. So populated AND poor at the same time that there were famines and people would watch their elderly and young starve to death.
700 million Chinese with a dollar each doesn't make a country rich.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#18. To: Pericles (#15)
Sneaky's lack of knowledge is just mind boggling.
What is mind-boggling is your anti-western spin and prejudices.
Not to mention your PC blinders.
Still pissed because communism failed,ain't ya?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#19. To: sneakypete, A Pole (#17) (Edited)
So populated AND poor at the same time that there were famines and people would watch their elderly and young starve to death.
Like in the British empire?
#20. To: Pericles (#19)
So populated AND poor at the same time that there were famines and people would watch their elderly and young starve to death.Like in the British empire?
No,but please do tell us all about all the famines in England,and how people smothered or drowned their children so they wouldn't have to listen to them crying from hunger.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#21. To: sneakypete (#20)
So populated AND poor at the same time that there were famines and people would watch their elderly and young starve to death. Like in the British empire?No,but please do tell us all about all the famines in England,and how people smothered or drowned their children so they wouldn't have to listen to them crying from hunger.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/cannibalism-was-likely-practiced-in-irish- famine-says-leading-expert-151504185-237447661.html
Cannibalism was likely practiced in Irish famine says leading expert
Niall O'Dowd @niallodowd May 15,2012 04:04 AM
#22. To: Pericles (#21)
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/cannibalism-was-likely-practiced-in-irish- famine-says-leading-expert-151504185-237447661.htmlCannibalism was likely practiced in Irish famine says leading expert
Niall O'Dowd @niallodowd May 15,2012 04:04 AM
Now you are going to claim the Irish are the English,and use the Irish version of Al Sharpton as a source?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#23. To: sneakypete (#16)
Calling them Asians is a real stretch.
Calling Sumerians Europeans or Americans would be a really really real stretch.
For your information here is a map with the continents marked. Memorize it please.
Sumeria was here:
#24. To: sneakypete (#17)
Big freaking deal. China was the most populous country.
Size matters too. Luxembourg is much richer per capita than China or America, yet it matters less.
#25. To: sneakypete (#20)
No,but please do tell us all about all the famines in England
Clever, but no cookie.
He mentioned Ireland not England - they were together in one state.
#26. To: A Pole (#23)
Sumeria was here:
Big flipping deal. There were hundreds of graves found in China that were full of preserved corpses of tall people with red hair and blue or green eyes. Because they were found in what we call China today,does that make them Chinese or ethnic Asians?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#27. To: A Pole (#25)
He mentioned Ireland not England -
No,*I* mentioned England,and he popped up with the potato famine in Ireland. Argue with him about this,not me.
they were together in one state.
Have you tried explaining this to the Irish?
BTW,the famine in Ireland had nothing to do with poverty. It was an engineered and purposeful famine.
The ones in Asia were because there were too many mouths to feed and not enough food to feed them
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#28. To: sneakypete, A Pole (#26)
Pete is a racist American type is all. In any case those mumies were related to Iranians (who are white after all, they are the branch of the Europeans that stayed in Asia) and are found at the edge of China and the 'Stans. In any case, Pete has yet to prove his point that Asia was inferior to the west for thousands of years. From the late Roman empire onwards, the Chinese were the most advance nation on earth and remained so till the 1700s.
#29. To: Pericles (#28)
Pete is a racist American type is all.
Is that right,Sambo?
Or is it Mustafha 20 Mule Team Boraxo?
Pete has yet to prove his point that Asia was inferior to the west for thousands of years.
I don't have to,dummy. History proves it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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