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I'm here for the moneuy Red Tides Plague Gulf Beaches Tucker Carlson calls out Nikki Haley, Ben Shapiro, and every other person calling for war: {Are there 7 Deadly Sins?} I’ve heard people refer to the “7 Deadly Sins,” but I haven’t been able to find that sort of list in Scripture. Abomination of Desolation | THEORY, BIBLE STUDY Bible Help Libertysflame Database Updated Crush EVERYONE with the Alien Gambit! Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: I RECANT. Source: Chuck Baldwin / Facebook URL Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink. ... 69863063938&id=226997970644468 Published: Apr 5, 2015 Author: Chuck Baldwin Post Date: 2015-04-15 02:15:42 by Hondo68 Keywords: None Views: 52260 Comments: 178 I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions. In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it. I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post. Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions. So, here we go: 1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture. That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7) For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful. 2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible. The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST. Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order. So, there you have it. I RECANT. Poster Comment: I wonder if he's getting ready to run for president again? I voted for him when Ron Paul endorsed him in '08, and I just might again in '16. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 157. #6. To: hondo68 (#0) Chuck, You're right about the modern state of Israel. As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all, but I'm glad that at least you no longer give it importance. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-15   8:10:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, hondo68, liberator (#6) As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all Sure it does. Literally in the Latin. More clearly in the Greek "caught up." Now when it happens, I agree it is debatable as it is not clear in Scriptures. That is what he means by not being 'dogmatic.' Some theologians say 'it will happen before, during or after' some events. It is not clear and the scripture reference from Acts 1 from Baldwin is sage advice. I took that advice from Jesus Christ own words a few years ago. Personally? All I need is the Upper Room discourse. Jesus told His followers if they love Him He will come for them. On Israel? Who knows. Baldwin should have stopped with saying "I don't know" like he did for rapture. Because none of us do know. What do we know God will do with a multitude of 'physical' Jews/Israelites gathered in the same geographic location? We don't know. Perhaps as St Augustine believed that in the end a remnant of Jews would convert to Christ for the Glory of God. Should we support the only democracy in the ME from a secular standpoint? Seems reasonable. Should we care for the well being of Jewish people who still need their Messiah. Yes we should. Should we side with them when they disobey the laws of God...No. From the perspective of Baldwin I agree...One's Christian faith should not influence politically and militarily a certain secular state. If Christians truly loved the people of Messiah and His apostles, they would provide Christian based support. If the US government values a democratic partner in the ME then they should pursue the government of Israel as an ally. I do await Baldwin's expanded comments on Israel. Somehow he links wars we fight with Israel's existence. Is he suggesting Israel not govern themselves and surrender to Arab Muslim nations? I don't think so, but he sees some connection with all the wars America fights with Israel 'just being there.' That is a bit concerning. redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-15   10:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, hondo68, liberator (#14) As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all Sure it does. Literally in the Latin. More clearly in the Greek "caught up." Now when it happens, I agree it is debatable as it is not clear in Scriptures. Interesting discussion here dealing with the end times and rapture. On a similar note, has anyone here been watching the series "Dig" on USA Network?. Deckard  posted on  2015-04-15   12:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Deckard (#24) "Dig"? What's it about? Btw, I'll bookmark your link. The beginning sounds reasonable. The rest appears to cover quite a bit of fascinating ground. But will he maintain that there are actual UFOs with "aliens" mistaken for "angels"...and new life forms? Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   12:44:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Liberator (#27) But will he maintain that there are actual UFOs with "aliens" mistaken for "angels"...and new life forms? His view (and mine as well) is that the "Great Deception" will be fallen angels posing as aliens, telling the world that they created humans and have returned to save us. The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions. His view is that the UFO's are actual, physical vehicles, the so-called "extra-terrestrials" are demonic entities. Deckard  posted on  2015-04-15   12:52:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Deckard (#29) His view (and mine as well) is that the "Great Deception" will be fallen angels posing as aliens, telling the world that they created humans and have returned to save us. I can absolutely buy that deception. I can definitely imagine the scenario you've envisioned. People are desperate to be "saved" by anyone, anything other than Jesus Christ and God. Especially aliens. You've no doubt noted the obsession by TV and movies of alien supernatural power, zombies, and magic themes? The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions. That I can also believe. The Vatican (not to be confused with Catholic people) has been a front. For evil. His view is that the UFO's are actual, physical vehicles, the so-called "extra-terrestrials" are demonic entities. Aliens = demons. My belief as well. That the UFOs are actual physical contraptions....They could also be mirages and a trick upon open minds. Btw, been listening to you link....thanks. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   13:05:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Liberator, Deckard (#31) The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions. That I can also believe. The Vatican (not to be confused with Catholic people) has been a front. For evil. Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?' Seems to fit:) redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-15   14:12:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #90. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Bob Celeste, Stoner, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, CZ82, TooConservative (#34) (link) Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?' Seems to fit:) "Who?" indeed. This statement from this Pope fits like an asbestos glove :-) If two of the past three Popes were willing to kiss the Koran, then NOTHING should be surprising from the Vatican. It's been an embarrassment now for too long. (from Red's link): Speaking at the British Science Festival in 2010, one of then-Pope Benedict XVI’s astronomers said he would baptise an alien “if they asked”. While he accepted that the chances of ever getting such an opportunity were slim, Guy Consolmagno said: “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.” Firstly....who knew the Vatican has a staff of astronomers? WHY?? Secondly, Pope Benedict and now Francis are ready to baptize ETs..."no matter how many tentacles"?? Very odd statement. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   12:58:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #91. To: Liberator (#90) The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-17   13:30:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #92. To: Vicomte13 (#91) The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory. Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers? Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   13:37:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #94. To: Liberator (#92) Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers? It's not a theory. Modern astronomy began with the Church (Copernicus, Galileo), and to this day much of the grunt work of recording the transits of planets across the Sun is done worldwide by the Jesuits. Pope Leo XIII, speaking in 1891 of the purpose of the Vatican Observatory: “…that everyone might see clearly that the Church and her Pastors are not opposed to true and solid science, whether human or divine, but that they embrace it, encourage it, and promote it with the fullest possible devotion.” Modern science originally came out of the Catholic universities. Philosophically, the Catholic Church is pro-science because of the belief in a universe rationally ordered by God. Think of all of the universities just in the USA that are Catholic: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Loyola, St. John's, Marquette. Overseas, the Sorbonne has been nationalized in France, but Louvain and La Sapienza are still Catholic. All told, there are 1358 Catholic universities around the world. (There are a total of 2474 4-year colleges of all types in the USA; 197 of them are Catholic.) The Catholic Church is the most widespread educational institution on the planet, with more primary and secondary educational systems in more countries than any other. And remember: the Pope is the head of all of that. He needs to know what is going on in the scientific world. Heliocentrism originated from a Catholic monk, Copernicus, was confirmed by the observations of a Catholic university professor, Galileo. Modern scientific theory was derived by a devout French Catholic: Descartes, with deeper math theory expounded by a devout visionary, Paschal. Pasteur gave us germ theory, and the monk Mendel gave us genetic theory. Bacon, the medieval who prefigured the scientific method, was a Catholic monk. So was the famous William of Ockham, author of "Occam's Razor" (he was a Franciscan). Avogadro (of the famous number) and Bequerel, Volta (inventor of the battery) and Vesalius (founder of anatomy); Lavoisier (creator of chemistry), Lamarck (whom Darwin challenged), Fermat and Galvani with his frog legs. And so on. The Catholic Church has always been scientific in its focus. Catholics believe that the Natural Law is God's law, and that God's laws are rational. Therefore, Catholics have always expected to find rational order in the universe, and have always intuited that, if they looked hard enough, they would find it. This is one of the distinctive features of Catholic philosophy that is different - radically different - from many of the Protestant philosophies. It's the reason why Catholics are untroubled by the theory of evolution, and teach it in Catholic schools. It's the best science (as produced through the method), at the time. Obviously Catholics believe that God is the source of all natural law. The Church has always been interested in the sciences, and needs to be, because science and religion are fundamentally intertwined, and the Pope needs to be kept up to date on developments. That's why the Pope has an astronomer. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-17   14:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #155. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#94) (Edited) Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers? It's not a theory. Firstly, I hope Liberator is not confusing astronomer with astrologers. Secondly, the church always had astronomer - but not for the reasons Vic mentioned. astronomy was the only way to reliable know what day of the year it is and that is important to figure out when it is a holy day, etc. This was something all priesthoods did - Jewish Cohen, Persian Magi (who were so knowledgable the word magic comes from their predictive abilities), etc. The official time keeper of the church was the Pope of Alexandria - the modern Patriarch of Alexandria in the Orthodox church and one of his main titles in English translates to "Judge of the Universe" but that just means he is the time keeper - he states when it is Sunday, when it is Easter, etc (he judges that based on the alignment of stars). People forget that there used to be a real practical purpose to studying the movement of the planets - it was the only reliable clock. Pericles  posted on  2015-04-19   2:51:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #157. To: Pericles (#155) That's true, but it's not really why the pope still has an astronomer. Interestingly, Tycho Brahe's and Kepler's role at the Imperial Court in Prague was Astrologer. Astronomy was a subset of the work of the Astrologer. So, the elliptical orbits of the planets, and the marking of their exact positions that made that possible, was actually performed by ASTROLOGERS, not simply astronomers. History has some funny surprises. The fact that most of the precise recordation of planetary transits of the sun today is performed and recorded by Jesuits in various of their institutions around the world is, likewise, interesting. Liberator suggested that the day has passed when the Pope needs his own scientists, but actually, astronomical sciences today still need the Church to be doing all of this grunt work recordation of things, the steady data stream. Something else: the planets do not really orbit the sun in ellipses. Rather, the sun and the planets all corkscrew around the center of mass of the solar system, which is not usually within the disc of the Sun but outside of it, and the whole system is corkscrewing forward in space in its own orbit about other things. The elliptical model reduces in two dimensions what is in fact a three-dimensional system, and reduces the Sun to a focus of the rotation, but it isn't. Actual reality is different from the models. The models are good enough for everything that we need them for, but they ARE NOT TRUTH. Because they SEEM so precise, and are TAUGHT as the truth, people can be forgiven for believing they ARE the truth. But they are not. They're approximate models. And they're not necessarily explanatory either. This is the hard second step of realization. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-19   8:36:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 157.         There are no replies to Comment # 157. End Trace Mode for Comment # 157. 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