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I AM A PROPHET and I prophesy Title: Geologists claim stats, science prove Jesus buried in Jerusalem with wife and supposed son An Israeli geologist believes he has found the tomb of Jesus in Jerusalem, and this time, the tomb of his supposed son is buried along with him. Poster Comment:
Ezekiel 37(2 images) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The first clue. Leftists aren't christians. The second clue. Christians don't post articles that use lies to undermine their faith. Lukewarm.
#2. To: Willie Green (#0) So, on the one hand, there are bones and inscriptions containing some of the most common names in all of Judaism. And on the other hand, there's the image on the Shroud of Turin, whose properties are such that it cannot exist, but it does. Two sets of first century (maybe) artifacts. One's a miracle involving a crucified man. The other's a burial plot that could be anybody.
#3. To: Willie Green (#0) (Edited) An Israeli geologist believes he has found the tomb of Jesus in Jerusalem, and this time, the tomb of his supposed son is buried along with him. Hey Willie -- maybe for your next post you can find the scientist who claims discovery of Alfred E. Newman's tomb. As to you citing some scripture along with it? *spit* Idiot.
#4. To: A K A Stone, Willie Green (#1) The first clue. Leftists aren't christians. “If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones [the young and children] who believe in me [Jesus], it would be better for you if a great millstone were fastened around your neck and you were drowned in the depth of the sea” (Mt. 18: 6; Mk. 9:42-48; Lk. 17: 1-2).
#5. To: A K A Stone (#1) This claim is not even published in peer reviewed journals - it's pseudo archeology - fit for the Discovery Channel and nothing more. Sadly, the poorly educated maybe swayed by this.
#6. To: Willie Green (#0) The yearly recycle of 'dem bones' is getting old...literally. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25) #7. To: Vicomte13 (#2) The other's a burial plot that could be anybody. Magician used to recycle this article every year. I asked him how could they prove it's Jesus if they can't compare His DNA with any living relative. No response. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25) #8. To: redleghunter (#7) I asked him how could they prove it's Jesus if they can't compare His DNA with any living relative. No response. They could compare the DNA to the DNA on the Shroud, or the DNA in the Lanciano Eucharistic miracle.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8) They could compare the DNA to the DNA on the Shroud, Have they run DNA tests on the Shroud? If so, what do they show? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #10. To: SOSO (#9) Have they run DNA tests on the Shroud? If so, what do they show? I think the blood is too old. They've blood typed it as Type AB.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10) I think the blood is too old. They've blood typed it as Type AB. From whqat little I read of this there was limited testing that was mostly inconclusive as there appeared to be significant contamination of the samples taken. The origin of the Shroud remains very much in doubt. Not even the Vatican claims it to be the image of Jesus. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #12. To: Vicomte13 (#10) You may be interested in this paper. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #13. To: redleghunter (#7) Magician used to recycle this article every year. That, and every time a carrier replaced another in the Mediterranean he's post an article from Debka about the US increasing its naval force in region. One carrier would relieve another like clockwork, and like clockwork Magician would post "breaking news" about the "build up."
#14. To: nativist nationalist (#13) Yes the 7th fleet is quite predictable:) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25) #15. To: SOSO (#11) The Shroud is a particularly interesting and important object, the most studied object in archaeological history, in fact. That is not surprising, considering what is on it, and what it means if it's real. To me, who has experienced miracles, miracles are the most persuasive thing, so I seek them out and study them. The pattern of divine miracles is itself fascinating. I have discovered that most people, who haven't experienced miracles, prefer legalism, texts and institutions over direct theophanies. In fact, there's a whole branch of theology that has developed to deny the significance of miracles and even their existence since the time of Christ. That's utter nonsense, of course - there are plenty of them; I've experienced a great number of miracles, not to mention visions and other things. But you know even back in the day they beat prophets to death and cut their heads off, and burnt people as witches, and every other damned thing. Why? Because when God intervenes with miracles, all of the authorities lose control. Consider what it was like for the English, a victorious power in the mop-up session of a long war. Their enemy, defeated again and again, with nothing left but a handful of rural castles. Their coffers, full. Their army, large, well-trained, well led. And then all of a sudden a teenage girl comes off the farm with visions from God who KNOWS THINGS that nobody can know. She knows exactly where their weaknesses are, at point after point. And when she is present, suddenly the French fight like lions and the English are unmanned and melt like butter, like in the days of Gideon. The theretofore victorious English find themselves defeated sometimes at ridiculous odds. Everybody's heard of Agincourt. Shakepeare wrote a play about it. But the English never speak of Patay. For, after the siege of Orleans was lifted, a force of French knights, many times outnumbered, rode upon an English army of longbowmen. It was as before. Except that this time Joan was in the rear, and the French with a few knights charged into the arrows and destroyed a whole English army. It was Agincourt in reverse - but with the same cavalry charge into arrows, and this time it was the French who were hopelessly outnumbered. It was supernatural, impossible. And so the English screamed: WITCHCRAFT! And demonic possession! That's what it HAD to be, right? It couldn't be that God had taken sides and decided that, at the end of it all, France would win. THAT was not just unthinkable, but UNACCEPTABLE. God is NOT ALLOWED to take the enemy's side! When he does, it must be witchcraft. Or the devil. Nowadays, it must be insanity. People do not like miracles. They prove too much. They prove everything. All of a sudden you have to decide, and you can't "hedge" any more. And people would rather close their eyes than lose what they perceive is their margin of maneuver. After all, prove God, and think how much greater that makes the GUILT for everything. Think of how much BRAVER one must be in the face of adversaries. Think of how one must stand fast and face ridicule, and give up sins, and do all those things that can be disregarded now and then by disbelieving. When you KNOW, you CAN'T disbelieve, so you KNOW you're consciously choosing to sin, against a real God, who is watching. And that sucks. Also, belief forces political and economic changes that are painful…so painful that people, again, don't want to give up their margin of maneuver. No no, better that it all be left with a question mark over it than that the point be proven with exquisite miracle. Consider the case of Lourdes and the Incorrupt. Bodies don't rot, and their all Catholic saints. Grumble. MARY shows up and talks to a girl in the 1830s. She digs and a spring pops up, and incredible healings take place, and continue to. Hysteria! Placebo! The healings are real enough, but the CAUSE? Surely not supernatural….surely… no matter how many. Then the girl dies and is buried in a French grave. about 30 years later the tomb is opened, and there she is, sitting there, undecided. Her clothes have rotted off and the crucifix has rusted to verdigris, but her dead body is still supple, fresh, as though sleeping. OH COME ON! But there she is. Miracles, incorrupt…and MARY. That's the thing that is probably the worst. For we have God doing healings of the sort Jesus said Satan can't do, and we have an unrolled body of a Catholic nun, and we have this all at a spot where MARY showed up. MARY, the BANE of all non-Catholics. All of these wonderful hearings - too good to be true, but true…and how eagerly the world of Christians would love to believe. But then we've got this Catholic girl undecided…that starts to look like favoritism for the Church by God… and then it's a MARIAN site, MARY, triple underline and highlight in red. In other words, God gives great miracles, through Mary, and the Catholics are right about all of the theological points in contention…or right enough for God to have showered such favors, perhaps to prove the point, to show the One that is the True One. See why nobody who is not a Catholic wants to hear about Lourdes, or Incorrupt, or Mary, or anything? La- la-la-la I can't HEAR you. Because if one looks, one discovers that the true religion of Jesus is Catholicism, and that the Marian adoration that is the hallmark of everybody else's criticism of Catholicism is THE WAY that God shoved it in everybody's face, by choosing the ONE DOCTRINE that nobody but Catholics accept, and then hammering it home with thousands of miracles and undecayed bodies. That's why people don't like miracles: they win wars. And people on the other sides of various wars don't want to lose…even if it's to the truth about God. That's the issue with the Shroud. There is a vast compendium of science, and it's startling. But there's also bad science and just screeching naysaying that isn't even scientific. There were errors made, perhaps intentionally, during a 1980s carbon dating that was trumpeted from the rooftops as "proving" the Shroud a forgery. But then when the tests themselves were found to erroneous, and the Shroud was definitively dated to before much earlier, was there a cover of Time Magazine? Of course not. Because then the science is proving what people don't want proven. So they close their eyes. That's the way it is. I know it. The miracles I've seen are powerful, but I no longer bother to talk much about them. They were for me, not for others. They did their job. And I'm not keen on being a punching bag for fools.
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) The miracles I've seen are powerful, but I no longer bother to talk much about them. They were for me, not for others. They did their job. And I'm not keen on being a punching bag for fools. What does have to do with the origin of the Shroud? True miracles are verifiable through physical evidence. There is virtually no physical evidence to support the claim that the Shroud is Christ's burial cloth, much less bears His image. The state of the art science of today cannot even verify that it 2000 years old. And without familial DNA reference points there is no-way to verify that what appears to be blood stains is actually the blood of Christ. The issue is not if miracles have occured or will again but what can be verified about the origin of the Shroud. If you feel that you are being punched by fools perhaps you should take stock of exactly is being discussed. You are certainly entitled to believe anything you wish about the Shroud. But without proof of its true nature you should be more circumspect in calling others fools for not believing as you. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #17. To: SOSO (#16) There is virtually no physical evidence to support the claim that the Shroud is Christ's burial cloth, much less bears His image. The state of the art science of today cannot even verify that it 2000 years old. Yes there is. Yes it does. Yes it can. Could you see it? Sure. Will you? No. The scientific facts are subtle and layered. They have to be viewed carefully completely to let their full implications unfold. And you're simply too eager to smash everything to ever see such things, or to be taught them. There's a line in Wisdom, I think, that says "Don't cross the desert with a quarrelsome man." Good advice. I'm going to take it. Good luck on your travels.
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17) Good luck on your travels. Facts are stubborn things. - Ronald Reagan Especially when you don't have them on your side. Bon voyage! потому что Бог хочет это тот путь Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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