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Title: Kansas approves concealed carry without a permit
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HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/ ... cealed-carry-without-a-permit/
Published: Apr 4, 2015
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2015-04-04 10:52:29 by Tooconservative
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Keywords: CCW
Views: 2501
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While other states continue to try to find ways around recent Supreme Court rulings and whittle away at gun rights, Kansas is going in a different direction. While Kansans have traditionally enjoyed more Second Amendment freedom than the majority of states, Governor Sam Brownback is taking things to the next level as of this summer, when all legally entitled residents will be able to concealed carry without a permit. Representatives from the usual list of suspects are up in arms, of course, predicting doom and gloom over the change. The biggest sticking point seems to be the elimination of mandatory training, and on this point I’ll at least give them some space to make their case. I’ve been through the required courses in New York, starting with my first hunter safety training course back in the seventies, and I absolutely see the value in proper training. Various models of guns have different safety features and operating functions, and failing to understand and properly use them can lead to tragic results. Also, basic gun handling procedures can greatly reduce the likelihood of accidents. You might think that those rules are obvious once you hear them, but unfortunately there are far too many stories of clueless people doing stupid things which result in tragedy. So should the training be mandatory? Given my usual stance on Second Amendment rights you might be surprised to hear it, but I think it probably should be. The problem comes with places such as New York, Maryland, the District of Columbia and others who structure the rules in such a way that the “acceptable” training becomes prohibitively expensive. If the state is going to mandate the training, then it should either be made available for free or at a price which is affordable for everyone. The more expensive it is, the more likely some new gun owners will skip it. But Kansas is launching into some uncharted waters here and we’ll just have to wait and see how that plays out. The only other “controversial” aspect of the Kansas law is that the age limit is remaining at 21. I fail to understand the rationale behind this. (Or, to be honest, having the drinking age set at 21 for that matter.) I’ve yet to hear any elected official make a plausible case as to why a young man or woman can enlist in the military and go fight in a war at age 18 (or earlier) but not be able to carry at home. Still, it’s a start. The needle is moving in the correct direction across most of the country and a solid majority of citizens want this trend to continue.
Subscribe to *Bang List* Kansans soon can carry concealed weapons without permits or training under a bill signed by Gov. Sam Brownback on Thursday.
The new law, which kicks in July 1, makes Kansas the sixth state to allow “constitutional carry.” It will allow Kansans 21 and older to carry concealed firearms regardless of whether they have obtained a permit.
Training still will be required for anyone who wants to carry a concealed gun in the 36 states that accept Kansas permits.
Brownback touted the importance of training, explaining that his youngest son took a hunter safety course this past week.
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Illinois requires 16 hours of training class time. $235. Plus $15 range fee. Plus $150 for the Illinois CCW permit (good for 5 years).
$400 total. That's a lot of money.
#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
It does raise the barrier considerably for ordinary people to take the time and spend the money to get a CCW. All to exercise a fundamental constitutional right.
Of course, that is IL's intent.
#3. To: misterwhite (#1)
Plus, after you go through all that crap, you're in Illinois. Yuck.
#4. To: TooConservative (#2)
"It does raise the barrier considerably for ordinary people to take the time and spend the money to get a CCW."
I don't know how the gangbangers in Chicago will be able to afford it.
#5. To: Hank Rearden (#3)
"Plus, after you go through all that crap, you're in Illinois."
I agree. People should use the $400 for a one-way ticket out of O'Hare.
#6. To: misterwhite (#1)
$400 total. That's a lot of money.
Especially to the people who live in dangerous neighborhoods,and who need a weapon for self-defense the most.
If you live in a gated community,it's lunch money. If you live in the hood,it's grocery money for all month. A hell of a choice for anyone to have to make.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#7. To: misterwhite (#5)
I agree. People should use the $400 for a one-way ticket out of O'Hare.
Oh man! Don't send them here to Belize... I thought I escaped all that hoodlum stuff.
#8. To: buckeroo (#7)
"Don't send them here to Belize..."
"Where everything is half price".
The wife and I vacationed there in the mid- 90's. Stayed at Chaa Creek, visited Xunantunich, canoe trip on the Macal River, the Belize Zoo, took a day trip to Tikal, then spent a week at Ramon's on Ambergris Caye.
Back then it wasn't commercialized. I assume that's changed. We both loved the place.
Next time we visit we'll stay with you.
#9. To: buckeroo (#7)
You finally left California?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#10. To: misterwhite (#8)
visited Xunantunich
A truly beautiful Mayan site, overlooking its heathen nature.
#11. To: misterwhite (#8)
Next time we visit we'll stay with you. [in Belize]
Yep, it's kinda kool; we made it before the prices shot up to the ceiling .. gotta watch the water quality and electricity is a serious cost though.
#12. To: CZ82 (#9)
You finally left California?
Yeah, that state actually left me.
#13. To: buckeroo (#12)
Does that mean it's breaking away from us and will float off into the Pacific someday? :)
So I hear it's nice in Belize you have any comments?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#14. To: buckeroo (#11)
"Yep, it's kinda kool; we made it before the prices shot up to the ceiling"
When we were there we were told to avoid Belize City at night. Have things improved?
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