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Flint Dollar was their band teacher. He is openly gay. The Catholic Church position is that being gay is not, in and of itself a sin. Rather, non-marital sex is a sin. Likewise, marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic Church — a bond between one man and one woman. The Catholic Church does not approve of people teaching at Mount de Sales if they’ve violated the sacraments of the church. Teachers who get divorced are let go. Flint Dollar also wants to violate a sacrament of the church. He wants to get married to another man. The Church, as a result, dismissed him. Now the Obama Administration is telling the Catholic Church it must treat gays and divorced heterosexuals differently Flint Dollar sued claiming he was not conforming to his gender because he wants to marry a guy. The EEOC says they’re fine with that. http://www.macon.com/2015/03/30/3668458_eeoc-issues-determination-letter.html?rh=1 Pope Francis and the Catholic Church will be made to care — on the same day Georgia Republicans have said RFRA is not needed in Georgia. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 42. #2. To: CZ82 (#0) Test of power. We'll see what happens. My bet is that there will be a court challenge, and a federal court will uphold the Catholic school's right to continue to police its staff for religious conformity. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   9:00:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Vicomte13 (#2) My bet is that there will be a court challenge, and a federal court will uphold the Catholic school's right to continue to police its staff for religious conformity. Depends on which state it goes to court. If it goes to court in a heavily Catholic state,Constitutional Law will prevail,even if for the wrong reasons. If it goes to court in a non-Catholic area,it's a toss-up. sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   10:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: sneakypete (#17) Depends on which state it goes to court. If it goes to court in a heavily Catholic state,Constitutional Law will prevail,even if for the wrong reasons. If it goes to court in a non-Catholic area,it's a toss-up. At the trial level, perhaps. But then it gets appealed. And if the appeals court gets it wrong, the Supreme Court will get it right. No state is going to get to impose staff on the Catholic Church. States have been trying to impose all sorts of things on the Church for over a century. They always lose. If the locals don't stop it the legislature does. If the legislature doesn't stop it then an governor does. If they don't, the Feds do, either politically or judicially. There are 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. The law isn't going to stand. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   10:52:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Vicomte13 (#20) And if the appeals court gets it wrong, the Supreme Court will get it right. That doesn't mean they will take it. sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   23:54:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 42. #48. To: sneakypete (#42) (Edited) That doesn't mean they will take it. And if they don't, then the Catholic hospitals will close. In some places, the Catholic facilities are over 50% of the beds. The Catholic Church won't violate its doctrines. It will close its institutions an impose an immediate and unremediable disaster. Nor will it give the government time to adjust. It won't break the law, but it won't break its own law either. So the closing will be abrupt and calamitous. Long before that happens, the Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and Administrators will make this perfectly clear to the politicians and bureaucrats. They do it all the time. They did it in the run up to Hobby Lobby. The government seemed hellbent on imposing the rule, and the Church rejected the terms, and things were headed towards a shutdown. And then the Supreme Court issued its Hobby Lobby opinion and the government was thrown back on its heels. Politicians and Bureaucrats know that if the Church pulls out of a major social service, the resources do not exist to cover the gap, the pain becomes immediate and overwhelming, and the politicians will suffer at the hands of the people...not because the people love the Catholics, but because the people NEED the services, and the Catholics provide a huge portion of them. There is no way to compel the Catholic Church to do what it will not do. Nero failed to do it. The Pope made Napoleon marry Josephine, in private, before he'd do the coronation. The Church hid tens of thousands of French Jewish kids, as "orphans" and "students", during the Holocaust. And in the late 19th/early 20th Century, when American public schools in many places, were forcing Protestant prayers on Catholic immigrants, the Church commanded all parishes to open schools, they did, and the Catholic school system plucked the children out of the public schools. Enraged politicians in many states passed laws to make that illegal. The Catholics ignored the local laws as unconstitutional and took their case to the Supreme Court and won. And more states rights were clipped away: States don't have the right to stop the Catholics from having their own schools. Those rights can be extended to other institutions and schools and churches, and have been. But the truth is that the Catholic Church is a very large, integrated, opinionated, stubborn and strong organization, which can muster resources from the whole world to fight a fight in any particular country. And does. And it never loses these fights. It doesn't lose because God protects the Church. Jesus promised that the gates of hell won't prevail against it, and they don't. But they try. The Supreme Court already took Hobby Lobby. The new ruling sounds like it ignores Hobby Lobby. Lower courts will have that argument presented, and some will issue injunctions. The ones that don't, will see appeals go up. The injunction, based on Hobby Lobby, will be issued by some court, and if it isn't, the Supremes will issue the injunction (without hearing a new case). And if they don't, then those unfortunate jurisdictions that don't have a judge issue an injunction will suddenly find the lights going out in Catholic hospitals, bedspace disappear, their local population suddenly really deprived...and they will find the political pain to be unbearable. And they will yield. The Catholic Church has steadily yielded on awards to the victims of pedophilia, because on this matter the Church knows it was wrong - and it was - and the Catholic laity will not defend the Church, and the Pope himself has raged that it was criminal and demanded an accounting. So on THAT issue the Church doesn't defend itself. It confesses its sins and pays penance. Because that's the right thing to do when you do wrong, and the Church did wrong there. But on the mandatory abortion issue, the Church knows that it is right, it knows its doctrines, the hierarchy is in unity, and the faithful, contributing, churchgoing Catholics agree. So the Church will hold a hard line on this, will not budge, and Caesar will yield to the Church on this one. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, yes, but human life is a thing that is God's. The Church stood up to Rome and won. It will certainly defeat Obama. All it has to do is delay everything by a couple of years. Of course, if the state really does impose its laws, then the Church will pull out of the hospital business, and taxes will have to go up by 10% so that the government can provide the care that the Catholics provide more cheaply. It's not going to happen. The government can't win this one because it's ultimately lose-lose, and the Catholic Church never backs down on its fundamentals. Not killing babies is a non-negotiable fundamental. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-02 07:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 42. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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