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Title: Netanyahu Declares No Palestinian State if He’s Re-elected
Source: NYT
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/w ... -campaign-settlement.html?_r=0
Published: Mar 16, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-03-16 20:15:13 by cranko
Keywords: None
Views: 9398
Comments: 52

Under pressure on the eve of a surprisingly close election, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Monday doubled down on his appeal to right-wing voters, declaring definitively that if he was returned to office he would never establish a Palestinian state

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#3. To: cranko (#0)

"if he was returned to office he would never establish a Palestinian state"

That's not his call.

UN181 set aside land for a Palestinian state, and UN 242 and UN338 called for Israel to get out of that Palestinian land. All of those resolutions were unanimous, meaning the U.S. approved them.

Yet, Israel continues to spit in our face while accepting billions in aid.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   11:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#3)

That's not his call.

UN181 set aside land for a Palestinian state, and UN 242 and UN338 called for Israel to get out of that Palestinian land. All of those resolutions were unanimous, meaning the U.S. approved them.

It most certainly is his call. His country.

Take your UN and shove it up your ass. The UN isn't the worlds leader. Maybe in your leftist delusion. Yes you're a leftist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-17   11:47:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)

"It most certainly is his call. His country."

His country? Sure. Part of it is. But we're talking about the Palestinian part. That's not his.

"The UN isn't the worlds leader."

Israel also signed the 4th Geneva Convention. Article 49, sixth paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies"

That means, "Get the f**k out of Palestinian land".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   12:07:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#7)

Israel also signed the 4th Geneva Convention. Article 49, sixth paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies"

There is no occupied land. Not in the context you say.

You can mouth off about a pali state all you want. But where is it? It isn't there. It will never exist.

If you want it to exist you should go back to your people the Palestinians and help them fight. That is the only way your people will have a land. That is if you defeat the legitimate owners and steal it. But that isn't going to happen. You know it. That is why you sit on the sidelines instead of going to fight for your blood kindred.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-17   12:12:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#9)

You can mouth off about a pali state all you want. But where is it? It isn't there. It will never exist.

This is like making believe that during the years that the U.S. did not officially recognize Red China that it did not exist.

The State of Palestine has been officially recognized by 135 member nations of the UN.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

International recognition of the State of Palestine

he international recognition of the State of Palestine has been the objective of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) since the Palestinian Declaration of Independence proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine on 15 November 1988 in Algiers, Algeria at an extraordinary session in exile of the Palestinian National Council.

The declaration was promptly acknowledged by a range of countries, and by the end of the year the state was recognised by over 80 countries. In February 1989, at the United Nations Security Council, the PLO representative claimed recognition by 94 states. As part of an attempt to resolve the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and PLO in September 1993 established the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) as a self-governing interim administration in the Palestinian territories. Israel does not recognise Palestine as a state and maintains de facto military control in all the territories.

As of 30 October 2014, 135 (69.9%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine. Many of the countries that do not recognise the State of Palestine nevertheless recognise the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people". On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly passed a motion changing Palestine's "entity" status to "non-member observer state" by a vote of 138 to 9, with 41 abstentions.

Israel and a number of other countries do not recognise Palestine, taking the position that the establishment of this state can only be determined through direct negotiations between Israel and the PNA. The main issues currently obstructing an agreement are borders, security, water rights, the status of Jerusalem and freedom of access to religious sites, ongoing Israeli settlement expansion, and legalities concerning Palestinian refugees including their right of return.

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nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-18   14:56:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: nolu chan (#33)

"You can mouth off about a pali state all you want. But where is it? It isn't there. It will never exist."

A better question is, "Where is the Israeli state?" That happened because Great Britain carved out a piece of Palestine and gave it to the Jews under UN181.

In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel).

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-19   9:52:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#36)

A better question is, "Where is the Israeli state?" That happened because Great Britain carved out a piece of Palestine and gave it to the Jews under UN181.

The Jewish right to the land is often attributed to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. It does not grant anything and only "views with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

The BALFOUR DECLARATION of 1917

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Magesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country”.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
/s/ Arthur James Balfour

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-19   13:44:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: nolu chan (#38)

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people ..."

The Balfour Declaration is read by Zionists as "the establishment in all of Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people ..."

Now, that's not what he said, nor what he meant, nor what the UN set up in Resolution 181 ... but it's what the Zionists believe.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-19 14:49:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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