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Title: Here Comes the Tax Per Mile (And with it more anti-driver tyranny)
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Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/03/11/tax-per-mile-cometh/
Published: Mar 11, 2015
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2015-03-13 05:54:39 by Deckard
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Views: 3262
Comments: 25
Oregon – home of things uber trendy – has become the first state to begin dunning motorists by the mile rather than by the gallon. The “pilot” program begins July 1 — and will be implemented by the Oregon DOT in partnership with something called Sanef ITS Technologies America and Intelligent Mechatronic Systems. Sounds a lot like Cyberdyne Systems from the Terminator movies, doesn’t it? And the similarities run a lot deeper than that. To make this work (for Uncle) your car must be fitted with some type of real-time monitoring device that keeps track of your mileage and reports it to Uncle (well, his helpers) who will then either send you a bill or perhaps automatically debit your account. Kind of like federal tax withholding on wheels. In Oregon, this means a little widget like the one you may have seen the white-coated Progressive Insurance Lady hawking. It plugs into the Onboard Diagnostics (OBD) port that all cars manufactured since the mid-1990s have. Then ties into your car’s computer, where the data about your mileage and (cue Darth Sideous voice) many other things are stored. Including your speed, rate of acceleration, whether you’re wearing a seatbelt. You probably can see where that’s headed. In addition, the device has the ability to act as a locator beacon – relaying data about where you are, where you’re headed. And, of course, where you’ve been. We’re talking send and receive capability here, too. If they can upload your mileage (and other data) they can also transmit instructions to your car’s computer to shut ‘er down – as punishment for not having paid a traffic ticket, for instance. Or just because they can. Uncle and his acolytes are big fans of just because they can. Keep in mind that this wasn’t put to a vote. It was simply decided. (You Chimp fans out there, take note. You bear a heavy burden of guilt for cheering “decidership” at the national level, which made it increasingly acceptable at the state level.) No one elected the “Flos” within the Oregon DOT; like the EPA (and the NHTSA) they legislate and decree regardless. So much for “consent of the governed,” which can’t be said with a straight face these days by any person not a blithering idiot (or a partei ideologue). Anyhow, the point is this vehicular eTyranny is going to spread. Oregon is merely a kind of Beta testing ground. Other states will follow. The feds will “incentivize” the recalcitrant. Within five years, it will be a nationwide regime. And then they will argue that owners of cars built before OBD – which do not have the ability to “plug in” (and be monitored/taxed) aren’t “paying their fair share.” These older car owners will then be told their cars must be retrofitted with the necessary electronics or taken off the road. If you can’t feel this coming in your bones by now, I can’t help you. And you can thank (ironically enough) the government’s fuel economy fatwas and its pushing of hybrid and electric vehicle technology for all of it. Remember when we were soothed that such things would be good things because they’d save us money? Fewer fill-ups! Go farther, spend less to get there! Well, instead of being chokeholded by ExxonMobil, we’re going to be chokeholded by Uncle. Who is pissed because he’s been shorted, as he sees it. The increasingly fuel-efficient fleet is using less gas, which means less gas tax collected. This is bad. Less tax extracted being always bad. So, the argument goes, there must be a way to rebalance the scales (in Uncle’s favor). That way is taxing ‘em by the mile. And so, here we are. But they had to have foreseen this. The reduced revenue stream from the motor fuels taxes as a result of – wait for it – cars that use less fuel. Which begs a question, or at least makes one wonder… . Could it have been the object of the exercise all along? To use a “lateral” to get the populace to accept having their driving electronically kept track of? To end-run the pesky resistance of a certain segment of the population to driving cars without OBD ports, computers and “black box” data recording capability? Could Uncle and his acolytes be that clever? I think so, yes. As has been observed before, when alleged “stupidity” always (always!) seems to trend in one direction, it implies something other than stupidity. The stupid are all over the place. The smart traject consistently. This, then, is merely another brick in the wall. Driving – and the ownership of a car – has long been a conditional privilege. No longer a right. This business will simply make it more so. Uncle (and Flo) will be riding shotgun henceforth. But it’s merely the capstone, a fait accompli. Unless you drive a really old car – pre-1970s – you already drive the kind of car they want you to drive. With the features and equipment they insist you’ll have. You are no longer allowed to have the kind of car you want. Not for decades. The driver’s license, meanwhile, has become a “real” ID… your internal passport, without which you become an unperson right now (unable to travel by airplane, car or train) and perhaps much worse down the line. The net cinches tighter. I read recently that something on the order of one-third of all young people in the 16-25 demographic have never had a driver’s license and don’t want one, either. They appear to have done the math. Cars – driving – it’s not what it once was. It used to be about freedom – about fun. Now it’s about being controlled and dunned. No wonder the love affair is headed for divorce court.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Swell / sarc. I guess since our vehicles are pre 90, they would just arbitrarily guess how many miles we drive. Guess then it will be time to become Amish.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Sounds to me like a clever plan to insure even more of the working class poor are unemployed and dependent on Uncle Sugar for food,housing,clothing,medical care,and spending money,while gaining new troops for their class warfare at the same time. One step closer to chaos. All they will need to pull the final trigger will be to have the government checks and payments stop "because the wealthy aren't paying their fair share of the taxes.",and it's "Game ON!".
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Or if you're still driving a gas guzzling HumVee, they can track you down with drones and vaporize you with laser death rays! Another good reason to take the subway!
They don't need tech to do this. They could just require odometer reports with annual registration, and tax on a per-mile basis. 1 cent per mile. Drive 1000 miles, pay $10. Drive 10,000 miles, pay $100. This makes all roads toll roads, in effects, and lets the toll booths be taken down. This is a simpler user tax. Seems like a good way to do it. I don't see the need for tech though. Just do annual odometer reports.
This should give Ol' Willie Green a chubby. To many libtards, any tax that targets all that fictitious man made global warming... is a good tax.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Anyone with a brain can see that socialized medicine (ultimate goal of Zero care) is all about "thinning the herd". This scheme goes hand in hand. Anything that makes using a car more costly (remember: car=freedom) is attrative to the ruling class. It ultimately makes it more likely the herd will relocate to large metropoluses (metropolii?) All this makes the herd easier to manipulate and control.
The eventual goal of the people pushing this crap is to get the common people out of cars and dependent on government transport,just like under their Soviet idols. That way there is less congestion on the roads for the ruling class that can afford 10 dollar per gallon gas and not even notice it. Assuming that they are even charged for it personally,that is. In the end the people still allowed to buy and drive cars will have permits that provide them with state-paid gas. The higher they are up the bureaucracy food chain,the more gallons per month they will be allowed to buy. It will be one more tool they can use to control the upwardly mobile working class and inspire them to toe the line so they can become field bosses,line bosses,managers,etc,etc,etc. Piss off the rulers,and they are back on the bus.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If the toll booths were taken down,where would idiot nephews work? It would destroy a who bureaucratic empire where jobs and management positions were available that could provide "Good Germans/Soviets" with jobs that had maybe informed on their friends and neighbors for having "un-Soviet" attitudes or activities.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It's also about controlling the herd,and rewarding good herd mentality and actions by rewarding "good Soviets" with better medical care than the average swine. And of course,the higher you go up the bureaucratic food chain,the better the medical care is for you and your family. Screw up and not inform on someone and you and your family end up standing in line again at a neighborhood clinic where triage in performed.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The roads are govt roads! The govt is subsidizing the automobile industry. You think you are some 'rugged individual' on govt payed for roads?
You think govt paved roads pave themselves? Why shouldn't users of road pay for the roads?
1 cent per mile. Drive 1000 miles, pay $10. Drive 10,000 miles, pay $100. This makes all roads toll roads, in effects, and lets the toll booths be taken down. This is a simpler user tax. Seems like a good way to do it. I don't see the need for tech though. Just do annual odometer reports. That might be a good model for the future as cars use less gas or even no gas so that the gas tax becomes insufficient.
I was referring to a "green tax"... not a tax to maintain or build roads. However, to a non death penalty liberal, I should have known you were for green air taxes too. You and Willie should superglue your naked selves together and watch Choo Choo videos.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I think it's a good model for right now. Money is fungible. The gas tax doesn't "go to the roads". It goes into the general fund. All money goes into the general fund, in effect. Send millions in "educational aid" to Israel, to pay for their schools, and that frees up cash for them to pay for weaponry. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. A penny a mile taxes "the wear on the roads", and provides a good standard way to raise money on every care and motorbike, without reference to age. And gathers taxes from every road, not just toll roads. The gas tax taxes consumption of a pollutant. So, one tax "pays for the roads", while the second tax "pays for the damage to the common air"…and truth is, it's all just raising revenues from an inelastic source (people have to drive) in order to try to balance the budget. A dollar is a dollar.
You and Willie should superglue your naked selves together and watch Choo Choo videos.. You have weird gay sex fantasies - you must be a repressed homos - many who are uninformed types are like Hitler's SA.
Americans love their cars - demand govt subsidies they don't want to pay for - you know love is irrational.
I'll add that to your liberal list. You protect and defend gay rights.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I actually don't support gay rights. No wonder you were a cop - not smart enough for a real job. I actually insulted you by saying you are a repressed homo.
You were dropped on your head a lot when you were a little comrade,weren't you,comrade?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"Job 1) a paid position of regular employment." My job was so real, libtard, that I still get paid AFTER I retired. lol If you can't identify a "job"... you must have been one of those welfare liberals. They mostly hate cops too. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You were a welfare case with a uniform. And I am not a liberal - I am a religionist Christian who does not believe in a liberal state.
Larger, heavier vehicles exert greater wear and tear on our roadways, highways & bridges, so I'd suggest taxing them at a progressively higher rate:
I dislike progressive taxation. Taxation should be fixed and proportional. The purpose of the 1 cent per mule tax isn't really the roads, it's revenue. Trying the manipulate and reward people through the tax code is precisely the thing I want to get away from, because it warps the whole economy. A penny a mile can be paid by everybody, and doesn't warp anything. It doesn't change behavior because the tax is too small, but it does raise a ton of revenue. That's the sort of tax I prefer: non-warping, non- intrustive, reasonable, really easy to enforce, and revenue raising. And structured so that nobody can scream "UNFAIR". A mile's a mile, a penny's a penny. The differential system is complicated, and starts to get punitive. It's not just aimed at reasonably and evenly taxing something, it's aimed at political manipulation through taxation. And THAT raises hackles and resentments. Most people know we need to raise revenues to run government, and it's possible to get independents, conservatives and liberals to agree to something that's low, flat and fair. Conservatives will grouse about ANY taxes, but will grumblingly accept something that's low - most know that we need taxes. Independents want fair. Liberals (such as yourself) will grumble that the bad guys who need to be "gotten" aren't being "got" by a non-progressive system. But most liberals will accept a tax system they see as "imperfect" in the hopes of being able to build in progressively later. A penny a mile is an utterly reasonable consumption tax that would raise a ton of money and be easy to enforce. It wouldn't warp the economy at all. That's the kind of taxes I like. Conservatives hate all taxes, but can live best with that kind. Liberals want to use the tax code to reward and punish, but they'd rather see SOME tax than none. So, my penny-a-mile is politically DOABLE. 50 cents a mile for chauffeured limousines is aimed at punishment and political statement, and it can't get passed anywhere. In liberal bastions such as New York and San Francisco, the people who pass the laws and who own the politicians drive the limos, so such a law will never get passed. Rather, they'd put much higher costs on those THEY want to punish, SUV owners, and that would kill the legislation as the middle class and conservatives revolted. Nobody is going to revolt over a penny a mlle. And it won't change the economy at all. But it will bring in a ton of revenue, which (if used properly) could bring down the debt. And that would be good.
Fair enough... make it proportional to the weight of the vehicle.
Very logical.
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
#3. To: sneakypete (#2)
In addition, the device has the ability to act as a locator beacon – relaying data about where you are, where you’re headed. And, of course, where you’ve been.
We’re talking send and receive capability here, too. If they can upload your mileage (and other data) they can also transmit instructions to your car’s computer to shut ‘er down – as punishment for not having paid a traffic ticket, for instance.
#4. To: Deckard (#0)
#5. To: Deckard, Willie Green (#0)
Here Comes the Tax Per Mile
#6. To: Deckard (#0)
#7. To: Willie Green (#3)
Another good reason to take the subway!
#8. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
This makes all roads toll roads, in effects, and lets the toll booths be taken down.
#9. To: Rufus T Firefly (#6)
Anyone with a brain can see that socialized medicine (ultimate goal of Zero care) is all about "thinning the herd".
#10. To: sneakypete, Willie Green (#7)
The eventual goal of the people pushing this crap is to get the common people out of cars and dependent on government transport,just like under their Soviet idols.
#11. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, Willie Green, Vicomte13 (#5)
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
They don't need tech to do this. They could just require odometer reports with annual registration, and tax on a per-mile basis.
#13. To: Pericles (#11)
You think govt paved roads pave themselves? Why shouldn't users of road pay for the roads?
#14. To: Pericles (#12)
#15. To: GrandIsland (#13)
I was referring to a "green tax"... not a tax to maintain or build roads. However, to a non death penalty liberal, I should have known you were for green air taxes too.
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#14)
#17. To: Pericles (#15)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#17)
(Edited)
I'll add that to your liberal list. You protect and defend gay rights.
#19. To: Pericles (#10)
The roads are govt roads! The govt is subsidizing the automobile industry. You think you are some 'rugged individual' on govt payed for roads?
#20. To: Pericles (#18)
No wonder you were a cop - not smart enough for a real job.
#21. To: GrandIsland (#20)
#22. To: Vicomte13, Pericles (#14)
A penny a mile taxes "the wear on the roads", and provides a good standard way to raise money on every care and motorbike, without reference to age. And gathers taxes from every road, not just toll roads.
0.5¢/mile for motorbikes
1¢/mile for compact cars
1.5¢/mile for full size cars
3¢/mile for vans
5¢/mile for SUVs & pick-up trucks
10¢/mile for step-vans, delivery trucks & commercial buses (public school & transit buses are exempt)
15~20~25¢/mile for big-rig tractor trailers depending on number of axles & trailers (additional surcharge for extra wide & oversize loads)
50¢/mile for private chaufferred limos for the 1% who are filthy-rich, out-of-touch and would never miss it anyway
#23. To: Willie Green (#22)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
Taxation should be fixed and proportional.
#25. To: Vicomte13, Willie Green (#22)
arger, heavier vehicles exert greater wear and tear on our roadways, highways & bridges, so I'd suggest taxing them at a progressively higher rate:
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