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Title: Police say Obama bullet ban isn't needed, AR-15 round isn't a threat
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p ... -isnt-a-threat/article/2560964
Published: Mar 3, 2015
Author: Paul Bedard
Post Date: 2015-03-05 04:07:45 by Tooconservative
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Keywords: AR-15
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A top police representative on Tuesday said that there is no history of criminals using a round popular among AR-15 rifle shooters against officers, undermining the Obama administration's argument for banning the 5.56 M855 "lightgreen tip."

"Any ammunition is of concern to police in the wrong hands, but this specific round has historically not posed a law enforcement problem," said James Pasco, executive director of the Washington office of the Fraternal Order of Police, the world's largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers, with more than 325,000 members.

He told Secrets that the round used mostly for target practice "is not typically used against law enforcement."

While he said that he is "not finding fault" with the surprise move last month by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to classify the round as "armor piercing" and then ban it, Pasco added, "While this round will penetrate soft body armor, it has not historically posed a threat to law enforcement."

That view not only counters BATFE's reason for proposing the ban, it also challenges the White House endorsement of the ban. Spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday, "we are looking at additional ways to protect our brave men and women in law enforcement and believe that this process is valuable for that reason alone. This seems to be an area where everyone should agree that if there are armor-piercing bullets available that can fit into easily concealed weapons, that it puts our law enforcement at considerably more risk."

The administration's effort is under fire on Capitol Hill where 55 percent of all House members have signed a letter challenging BATFE's proposal.

Led by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte and the National Rifle Association, 235 members have signed the letter. The signatures came in at a record pace since Goodlatte's team and the NRA have been circulating it for just three business days.

A similar effort is moving quickly through the Senate, led by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley.

As with most rounds used in rifles, the 5.56 M855 will shoot through soft body armor, but was granted an exemption to longstanding police protection legislation because it isn't used by criminals who typically use smaller pistols.

BATFE said that with the popularity of AR-style pistols growing, the weapon poses a new threat to police. But foes of the bullet ban say that criminals are unlikely to spend the $1,000 or more to by one and also that at about 20 inches long, it isn't considered a concealed weapon.

Many gun enthusiasts believe that the proposed bullet ban, up for public comment, is a backdoor bid to cut the popularity of the AR-15, the nation's most popular gun, one critics call an "assault weapon" and a target of liberals and President Obama.

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BATFE said that with the popularity of AR-style pistols growing,

Oh,yeah. There will probably be a couple of dozen sold this year,up from the 15 or 20 that were sold last year. Mostly bought by rich wannabe Rambo's who have never been in combat and who will never be in combat,that keep it locked in their gun safes and only take it out to show to people.

These things are very expensive oddities that collectors are attracted to,not criminals,who generally buy the cheapest stolen weapons they can find.

Too big to be a practical pistol,and too small to be a practical rifle in a world where M-4 clones are readily available and cheaper than they are,they will remain a collectors oddity.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-05   6:32:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Oh,yeah. There will probably be a couple of dozen sold this year,up from the 15 or 20 that were sold last year. Mostly bought by rich wannabe Rambo's who have never been in combat and who will never be in combat,that keep it locked in their gun safes and only take it out to show to people.

I read somewhere that the smallest of these handguns has an 11" barrel. So they're all close to 20" guns.

The average person would look at that as something much more than a handgun, less than a rifle. And it is a pricey gun for collectors.

I'd guess the chances of a cop running into a crook with one of these huge handguns is far less than the chance of encountering someone with a sawed-off shotgun that could fire large slugs.

They seem to be trying to scare everyone that cops will walk up to car windows at a traffic stop and they'll get blown away by one of these rare guns. The FOP isn't convinced. I think FOP also doesn't want to get blamed for this gungrab when they think it is useless. FOP is not entirely opposed to gungrabs but they aren't signing on for such a dumb gungrab.

I've read several of these articles about these guns and the ammo. AFAIK, there isn't a single cop in America has been shot by or shot at or even threatened with one of these rare uber-handguns.

Obviously, it's all a ploy to shut off the supply of cheap military surplus ammo which helps to make the AR-15 the most popular rifle in the country.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-05   7:12:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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They seem to be trying to scare everyone that cops will walk up to car windows at a traffic stop and they'll get blown away by one of these rare guns.

True,and at the same time they are trying to convince the cops that the citizens are out to kill them when they knock on a door or make a traffic stop.

One of the worlds greatest ironies is that chaos is almost always a carefully scripted and controlled creation. It doesn't happen by itself.

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