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Title: Obama Threatened to Shoot Down Israeli Jets Attacking Iran
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ob ... eli-jets/2015/03/01/id/627575/
Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: g richter
Post Date: 2015-03-01 20:24:06 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Iran, Israel
Views: 20837
Comments: 102

President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper.

According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida.

Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack.

President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper.

According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida.

Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack.

An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq.

Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources saying that Netanyahu, Minister of Defense Moshe Ya'alon and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman made the plans for airstrikes after consulting top commanders.

In addition to the attacks, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to try to thwart any nuclear deal between the United States and Iran over fears that a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel's existence, the newspaper said.

Israeli pilots reportedly trained for weeks on the mission and even were able to fly into Iranian airspace without being detected by radar.

Israel's fears of nuclear attack are not new. In 2007, an Israeli airstrike took out a suspected nuclear site in Syria. A 1981 airstrike took out a suspected nuclear reactor in Iraq.

Israel National News quoted a Daily Beast interview from 2009 in which former President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski urged Obama to take on any threat to Iran from Israel.

"They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?" Brzezinski said. "We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not."

Brzezinski even suggested, "No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse."

That was an allusion to an incident in the 1967 Six Day War in which Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. Israel later called the attack an incident of "friendly fire."

Netanyahu is set to address a joint session of Congress on Tuesday over the Iranian nuclear threat. Most Democrats have said they will not attend and Obama has said he will not meet with the prime minister since the talk will occur two weeks from Israeli elections.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

" a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel's existence "

That would be a reasonable assumption.

Stoner  posted on  2015-03-01   20:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner, out damned spot (#1)

A nuclear Iran would be a check on Sunni Muslims also. And that is also good.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-01   20:51:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pericles, out damned spot, All (#2)

A nuclear Iran would be a check on Sunni Muslims also. And that is also good.

For how long? How long do you think it would take Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. to acquire nukes of their own (if they already do not have them) once Iran gets one?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   23:00:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SOSO (#7)

For how long? How long do you think it would take Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. to acquire nukes of their own (if they already do not have them) once Iran gets one?

The Arabs already have nukes, Pakistan is storing them for them.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-01   23:14:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles (#11)

The Arabs already have nukes, Pakistan is storing them for them.

It is not too much of a stretch to think that the nukes have already been distributed given the extreme distrust within the region even among so-called tribal brethren.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   23:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SOSO (#12)

The Arabs already have nukes, Pakistan is storing them for them.

It is not too much of a stretch to think that the nukes have already been distributed given the extreme distrust within the region even among so-called tribal brethren.

So it makes perfect sense for Iran to defend itself with nukes against the Sunni Muslims and the Zionist Israelis and the Americans - just ask Qaddafi what giving up WMD did for him....

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-01   23:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pericles (#13)

So it makes perfect sense for Iran to defend itself with nukes against the Sunni Muslims and the Zionist Israelis and the Americans -

If you say so, Sparky. The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map a la Iran's stated goal for Israel.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   0:14:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: SOSO, Pericles (#14)

If you say so, Sparky. The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map a la Iran's stated goal for Israel.

The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html

August 28, 2006

Is Iran's President Really a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying Islamo-fascist who has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"?

Putting Words in Ahmadinejad's Mouth

By VIRGINIA TILLEY

Johannesburg, South Africa

In this frightening mess in the Middle East, let's get one thing straight. Iran is not threatening Israel with destruction. Iran's president has not threatened any action against Israel. Over and over, we hear that Iran is clearly "committed to annihilating Israel" because the "mad" or "reckless" or "hard-line" President Ahmadinejad has repeatedly threatened to destroy Israel But every supposed quote, every supposed instance of his doing so, is wrong.

The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

What did he mean? In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass."

[snip]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

Lost in translation

Jonathan Steele
The Guardian (UK)
14 June 2006 07.49 EDT

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/

Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’

By Robert Mackey
April 17, 2012 7:11 pm
New York Times

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/lost-in-translation/

Lost in Translation

Iran never threatened to wipe Israel off the map

By Steve Rendall
FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)
June 1, 2012

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html

Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’?

Posted by Glenn Kessler
Washington Post
at 06:00 AM ET, 10/05/2011

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-02   20:00:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: nolu chan, Pericles (#53)

The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.

That is true, he never used those exact words. I gather you do not believe that with just a little bit of reading between the lines of him and others that Iran does not have that intent?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   20:08:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#55) (Edited)

The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.

That is true, he never used those exact words. I gather you do not believe that with just a little bit of reading between the lines of him and others that Iran does not have that intent?

Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers.

How many wars has the USA initiated since the fall of their puppet Shah?

And I am a Shah supporter - I am anti-Islamist Iran but Islamist Shia Iran is better than Sunni Saudi Arabia is for women and Christians (and surprisingly Jews) with those minorities given seats in the Iranian parliament.

As bad as the embassy hostage taking was by Iranian radicals - it fell short in comparison to what Saudi jihadis did on 9/11. I find Iran acts in a rational manner despite neocon foaming at the mouth about how Iran is ruled by a jihad suicide cult.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-03   1:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Pericles, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#64)

Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers.

Tell the people of Lebanon and Israel ,that. You are woefully uneducated on the subject. Iranian operatives are the prime mover behind Hezboolah, among other radical Islamic terrorist actions.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-03   13:22:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#87. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#83)

Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers.

Tell the people of Lebanon and Israel ,that. You are woefully uneducated on the subject. Iranian operatives are the prime mover behind Hezboolah, among other radical Islamic terrorist actions.

Even if you count that - it was a war fought by Lebanese Arabs for their own purposes - and they would do it again if Iran vanished off the face of the earth. This idea Persians are the leaders of Arabs is nonsense. They have a mutual enemy in the Sunnis and the American/Israelis while being independent of each other.

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