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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ob ... eli-jets/2015/03/01/id/627575/
Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: g richter
Post Date: 2015-03-01 20:24:06 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Iran, Israel
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President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida. Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack. President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida. Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack. An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq. Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources saying that Netanyahu, Minister of Defense Moshe Ya'alon and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman made the plans for airstrikes after consulting top commanders. In addition to the attacks, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to try to thwart any nuclear deal between the United States and Iran over fears that a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel's existence, the newspaper said. Israeli pilots reportedly trained for weeks on the mission and even were able to fly into Iranian airspace without being detected by radar. Israel's fears of nuclear attack are not new. In 2007, an Israeli airstrike took out a suspected nuclear site in Syria. A 1981 airstrike took out a suspected nuclear reactor in Iraq. Israel National News quoted a Daily Beast interview from 2009 in which former President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski urged Obama to take on any threat to Iran from Israel. "They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?" Brzezinski said. "We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not." Brzezinski even suggested, "No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse." That was an allusion to an incident in the 1967 Six Day War in which Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. Israel later called the attack an incident of "friendly fire." Netanyahu is set to address a joint session of Congress on Tuesday over the Iranian nuclear threat. Most Democrats have said they will not attend and Obama has said he will not meet with the prime minister since the talk will occur two weeks from Israeli elections.
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#51. To: out damned spot (#0)
President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. [...] An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq. Control of Iraqi airspace was returned to the Iraqis in 2011. http://iraq.usembassy.gov/airspacepr.html Press Releases U.S. Transfers Control of Baghdad Airspace Sector; Iraq Now Responsible for All Domestic Airspace On October 1, 2011, the U.S. Air Force (USAF) transferred management of the Baghdad/Balad Airspace sector to the Iraq Civil Aviation Authority (ICAA). Iraq’s air traffic controllers are now directing the movement of all aircraft within the area, the busiest and most complex airspace in Iraq. With this step, Iraq has assumed full air traffic control responsibility for the country’s airspace for the first time since 2003. There is no U.S. controlled Iraqi airspace for Kerry to worry about. The anachronistic comment goes to a previous administration when permitting Israelis to fly through such airspace was rejected as unlawful. The US was an occupying nation with the responsibility to secure the airspace of the occupied territory. Simply, Israeli has no capability to carry out such a mission over Iran. It requires in-flight refueling and lengthy flight times in Iranian airspace. Israeli air tankers are refitted Boeing 707s. Iran has an air force. They need only take out an air tanker or two and the Israeli air force will fall out of the sky before it can get back to Israel. There is no friendly territory for them to land in. Israel will not be welcomed to use Turkish airspace. The targets, if Israel even knows where they are, are somewhere far from Israel. Russian radar can detect Israeli or American aircraft, even stealth aircraft. Iran shares an international border with Russia and is not inviting the US, Israel, or NATO into Iran any more than it has welcomed the US/NATO into Ukraine. http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2009/6/iran-strategy/06_iran_strategy.pdf The Saban Center for Middle East Study Analysis Paper Kenneth M. Pollack Chapter 5, pp. 89-99, is "Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike."
It may be more accurate to say Muslims have nukes. I have not seen where Pakistani nukes, developed by Pakistan to keep up with India, belong to any Arab nation.
The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked. http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html Is Iran's President Really a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying Islamo-fascist who has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"? Putting Words in Ahmadinejad's Mouth By VIRGINIA TILLEY Johannesburg, South Africa In this frightening mess in the Middle East, let's get one thing straight. Iran is not threatening Israel with destruction. Iran's president has not threatened any action against Israel. Over and over, we hear that Iran is clearly "committed to annihilating Israel" because the "mad" or "reckless" or "hard-line" President Ahmadinejad has repeatedly threatened to destroy Israel But every supposed quote, every supposed instance of his doing so, is wrong. The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." What did he mean? In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass." [snip] http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155 Jonathan Steele By Robert Mackey http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/lost-in-translation/ Iran never threatened to wipe Israel off the map By Steve Rendall Posted by Glenn Kessler
Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe.
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That is true, he never used those exact words. I gather you do not believe that with just a little bit of reading between the lines of him and others that Iran does not have that intent?
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Even at the time, it was thoroughly debunked by Farsi speakers who explained it rather thoroughly. The original remark was that Israel would fade from time. Of course, the subtext for Ahmadinejad's Iranian listeners was likely that Iran would love to do anything to hasten that day when Israel fades from time's tableaux. But then, about half the public still thinks Saddam attacked us on 9/11. Dumbasses.
The good news is that they vote. The better news is that they breed. Both bode very well for the future.
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Yes some idiom is at play here. But then again the Mahdi Hatter gave the speech at "The World Without Zionism" conference. So context is important here:) Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation. And it was not some neocon website which attributed the idiom to Ahmadinejad's speech but: The Iranian presidential website stated: "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map." [81] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wi ped_off_the_ map.22_controversy The rest of the link above describes some fancy footwork used by apologists for Ahmadinejad and his apocalyptic cult. And I'll note...this misunderstanding business and taking out of context meme reminds me of the papal apologists for Francis.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Or words to that effect. He did not say it. If he has other intent, it was not spoken.
No, it has been deliberately used to create clearly false propaganda. It was used in the same sense as the USSR has disappeared from the map. References to a Zionist regime refer to a government, not a nation. http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/08/28/putting-words-in-ahmadinejad-s-mouth/ Is Iran's President Really a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying Islamo-fascist who has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"? Putting Words in Ahmadinejad's Mouth By VIRGINIA TILLEY Johannesburg, South Africa [excerpt] The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." What did he mean? In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah’s regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass." But what about his other "threats" against Israel? The blathersphere made great hay from his supposed comment later in the same speech, "There is no doubt: the new wave of assaults in Palestine will erase the stigma in [the] countenance of the Islamic world." "Stigma" was interpreted as "Israel" and "wave of assaults" was ominous. But what he actually said was, "I have no doubt that the new movement taking place in our dear Palestine is a wave of morality which is spanning the entire Islamic world and which will soon remove this stain of disgrace from the Islamic world." "Wave of morality" is not "wave of assaults." The preceding sentence had made clear that the "stain of disgrace" was the Muslim world’s failure to eliminate the "occupying regime". For months, scholars like Cole and journalists like the London Guardian’s Jonathan Steele have been pointing out these mistranslations while more and more appear: for example, Mr. Ahmadinejad’s comments at the Organization of Islamic Countries meeting on August 3, 2006. Radio Free Europe reported that he said "that the ‘main cure’ for crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel." "Elimination of Israel" implies physical destruction: bombs, strafing, terror, throwing Jews into the sea. Tony Blair denounced the translated statement as ""quite shocking". But Mr. Ahmadinejad never said this. According to al-Jazeera, what he actually said was "The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist regime, but there should be an immediate ceasefire first." Nefarious agendas are evident in consistently translating "eliminating the occupation regime" as "destruction of Israel". "Regime" refers to governance, not populations or cities. "Zionist regime" is the government of Israel and its system of laws, which have annexed Palestinian land and hold millions of Palestinians under military occupation. Many mainstream human rights activists believe that Israel’s "regime" must indeed be transformed, although they disagree how. Some hope that Israel can be redeemed by a change of philosophy and government (regime) that would allow a two-state solution. Others believe that Jewish statehood itself is inherently unjust, as it embeds racist principles into state governance, and call for its transformation into a secular democracy (change of regime). None of these ideas about regime change signifies the expulsion of Jews into the sea or the ravaging of their towns and cities. All signify profound political change, necessary to creating a just peace.
Did you miss the part about the original translation coming from the Iranian presidential website? Please spare me the "Zionism" vs. Jews in general meme. One only has to look at what a Palestinian rule would be for Jews. Shall we examine the Palestinian rhetoric on what they want to do with Jews?
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 by Arash Norouzi cross the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's president has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made. On Tuesday, October 25th, 2005 at the Ministry of Interior conference hall in Tehran, newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program, reportedly attended by thousands, titled "The World Without Zionism." Large posters surrounding him displayed this title prominently in English, obviously for the benefit of the international press. Below the poster's title was a slick graphic depicting an hour glass containing planet Earth at its top. Two small round orbs representing the United States and Israel are shown falling through the hour glass' narrow neck and crashing to the bottom. Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote – they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomenei, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office. The Actual Quote: So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem). So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel." The Proof: The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). [snip]
Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe. http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002 Netanyahu's Expert Testimony on Iraq in 2002 Following his first term as Isrel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu testified to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002 as a private citizen, and advised Congress that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would be "a good choice."
That is true, he never used those exact words. I gather you do not believe that with just a little bit of reading between the lines of him and others that Iran does not have that intent? Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers. How many wars has the USA initiated since the fall of their puppet Shah? And I am a Shah supporter - I am anti-Islamist Iran but Islamist Shia Iran is better than Sunni Saudi Arabia is for women and Christians (and surprisingly Jews) with those minorities given seats in the Iranian parliament. As bad as the embassy hostage taking was by Iranian radicals - it fell short in comparison to what Saudi jihadis did on 9/11. I find Iran acts in a rational manner despite neocon foaming at the mouth about how Iran is ruled by a jihad suicide cult.
I have lost count of the times that Israel has indicated that if the United States did not take out Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel would be forced to go it alone, because Iran would have nukes in six months or a year or whatever, the time to Armageddon being flexible. About as often, I have pointed out, Israel does not have the military capability to go it alone. http://opiniojuris.org/2013/01/28/yet-another-estimate-of-when-iran-will-have-the-bomb/ by Kevin Jon Heller McClatchy reports that Israel now believes Iran will not be able to produce a nuclear weapon until 2015 or 2016. That is progress of a sort; Netanyahu had previously been claiming that Iran would have the bomb no later than late summer 2013 — around six months from now. But Israel is still insisting that Iran is only two or three years away from nuclear capability, so I think it is useful to recall and update the timeline I mentioned early last year of breathless Israeli and Western claims about Iran’s nuclear program: 1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells the Knesset that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon. 1995: The New York Times reports that US and Israeli officials fear “Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought” – less than five years away. Netanyahu claims the time frame is three to five years. 1996: Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres claims Iran will have nuclear weapons in four years. 1998: Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claims Iran could build an ICBM capable of reaching the US within five years. 1999: An Israeli military official claims that Iran will have a nuclear weapon within five years. 2001: The Israeli Minister of Defence claims that Iran will be ready to launch a nuclear weapon in less than four years. 2002: The CIA warns that the danger of nuclear weapons from Iran is higher than during the Cold War, because its missile capability has grown more quickly than expected since 2000 – putting it on par with North Korea. 2003: A high-ranking Israeli military officer tells the Knesset that Iran will have the bomb by 2005 — 17 months away. 2006: A State Department official claims that Iran may be capable of building a nuclear weapon in 16 days. 2008: An Israeli general tells the Cabinet that Iran is “half-way” to enriching enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon and will have a working weapon no later than the end of 2010. 2009: Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak estimates that Iran is 6-18 months away from building an operative nuclear weapon. 2010: Israeli decision-makers believe that Iran is at most 1-3 years away from being able to assemble a nuclear weapon. 2011: An IAEA report indicates that Iran could build a nuclear weapon within months. 2013: Israeli intelligence officials claim that Iran could have the bomb by 2015 or 2016. The McClatchy articles quotes an Israeli intelligence officer as asking “Did we cry wolf too early?” That’s amusing: Israel (and the West) have been crying wolf over Iran’s nuclear capability for nearly three decades. January 28th, 2013 - 7:24 PM EDT
No need to get sarcastic. : )
Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel's destruction on that occasion as was alleged. He did do so publicly on dozens of other occasions. I did like his sheer smartassery in 2005:
I've seen that list or a similar one before. And I recall some of these hysterical announcements as well.
You're a fool. The Hezbollah war a few years ago when Israel had to send them back to the stone age. Iran proxies.
The Hezbollah war a few years ago when Israel had to send them back to the stone age. Iran proxies. That is a stretch, stretch. And let us say that that is so - what Hezbollah did was a minor action (a military raid) that Israel decided meant war. Hezbollah stated they did not expect a war over that raid. Again, it shows Iran is more reserved in such engagements.
Hezbollah is actually stronger than ever. Their missile inventory is now more advanced and much larger than ever. It is widely estimated that they have at least 30,000 missiles in stock and it is likely they have up to 45,000. All of them pointed toward Israel. A lot of these are small dumb missiles but many of them are much more sophisticated. Obviously, they can use the small missiles to shield their main missiles from Israel's anti-missile defenses. And Hezbollah felt strong enough to send militia units to reinforce Assad. Not exactly hiding in a stone age.
Yeah. Only then will Israel think about using some of that $100 billion worth of equipment we gave them. In the meantime, you're telling me that our $3 billion annual military aid to Israel buys us intelligence. Intelligence that we can't get from Saudi Arabia or other friendly Arab countries.
My point is to show that Iran has been much more constrained than the propoganda against it has portrayed it. That does not mean Iran is a "good guy" but I am not buying the propaganda Iran is eager to usher in the end of days via some Shia prophecy as you hear many talk radio types utter over and over.
I am still waiting for SOSO to comment on the learned wisdom of Bibi's that invading Iraq would be a good idea when he was before congress.
That is a good comeback, I must say.
More like "almost all". Here are some Hezbollah jihadists launching one:
That's mostly true - the missiles launched back then were upgraded bottle rockets for the most part - more an annoyance than a threat - though I am sure the Hezies now may have deadlier stock.
You gotta hand it to the guy. Getting the U.S. to fight his enemies for him. Shhhh! Don't tell that to the terrorist groups. They'd be pissed if they knew we were Israel's military puppet, doing their dirty work for them. Why, the terrorists might even attack us.
I especially enjoyed the indignant responses of Chancellor Merkel and Chancellor Schüssel to the idea that they should give their own land to the Jews as reparations for what their predecessor, Chancellor Hitler, did to the Jews. It was a witty point and one well worth considering.
Wiki offers estimates of 30-50 thousand and lists the types they are known to have. Most analysts believe they even have some SCUDs. They would use the dumb rockets to exhaust Israel's anti-missile defenses and then launch their heavy stuff. We can also get some idea of what they have by considering the three major types of missiles that the Palis launched from Gaza at Israel last year. The Palis had none of the heavier stuff though.
Tell the people of Lebanon and Israel ,that. You are woefully uneducated on the subject. Iranian operatives are the prime mover behind Hezboolah, among other radical Islamic terrorist actions.
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I am still waiting for SOSO to comment on the learned wisdom of Bibi's that invading Iraq would be a good idea when he was before congress. First, where is the tirck here, Fool? Second, so did John Kerry and every one of his DIMWIT party memeber that voted for it, including Billary. As usual you are short on the facts so this link should help you learn them. Did Kerry and Clinton also "trick" the U.S.?
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Oh, you mean the country that gace us intelligence that 19 or so of its countrymen were going to knock down the World Trade Center? That ally? Well, okie dokie then, Lance.
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So that means Israeli intel is useless so your point is moot. Or the USA based its intel on Israeli intel and that is bad - badder if Israel fed us bad intel to get the idiot Americans to vote for war. With allies like this.............
Tell the people of Lebanon and Israel ,that. You are woefully uneducated on the subject. Iranian operatives are the prime mover behind Hezboolah, among other radical Islamic terrorist actions. Even if you count that - it was a war fought by Lebanese Arabs for their own purposes - and they would do it again if Iran vanished off the face of the earth. This idea Persians are the leaders of Arabs is nonsense. They have a mutual enemy in the Sunnis and the American/Israelis while being independent of each other.
The Saudi Arabia that provided 118,000 troops, 550 tanks, and 180 airplanes to help us win the Gulf War. Not to be confused with our "strategic partner in the Middle East", our "friend", our "ally" -- Israel -- which provided 0 troops, 0 tanks, and 0 airplanes.
You have a terrible command/undrestanding of the English language. I didn't say Iran was the leader of the Arab world. I said it is the prime mover of many aggresive hostilities towards other governments in the region. And it is.
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Are you dense? The U.S. told Israel to not get overtly involved in the military actions.
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Please don't insinuate that Mensa Boy is stupid.
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#52. To: Pericles, SOSO (#11)
The Arabs already have nukes, Pakistan is storing them for them.
#53. To: SOSO, Pericles (#14)
If you say so, Sparky. The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map a la Iran's stated goal for Israel.
August 28, 2006
Lost in translation
The Guardian (UK)
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#54. To: Pericles (#49)
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
#55. To: nolu chan, Pericles (#53)
The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.
#56. To: nolu chan (#53)
Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’
#57. To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#56)
But then, about half the public still thinks Saddam attacked us on 9/11. Dumbasses.
#58. To: TooConservative (#56)
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Even at the time, it was thoroughly debunked by Farsi speakers who explained it rather thoroughly. The original remark was that Israel would fade from time. Of course, the subtext for Ahmadinejad's Iranian listeners was likely that Iran would love to do anything to hasten that day when Israel fades from time's tableaux.
#59. To: SOSO (#55)
That is true, he never used those exact words.
#60. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#58)
Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation.
August 28, 2006
#61. To: nolu chan (#60)
#62. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#58)
Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation.
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
May 26, 2007
#63. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite (#54)
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
#64. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#55)
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The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.
#65. To: Pericles, SOSO, TooConservative, misterwhite (#63)
Following his first term as Isrel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu testified to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002 as a private citizen, and advised Congress that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would be "a good choice."
Yet Another Estimate of When Iran Will Have the Bomb
1984: West German intelligence sources claim that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.” US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.
#66. To: SOSO (#57)
[Dumbasses]...The good news is that they vote. The better news is that they breed. Both bode very well for the future.
#67. To: redleghunter (#58)
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And I'll note...this misunderstanding business and taking out of context meme reminds me of the papal apologists for Francis.
That's some pretty funny stuff.
In an interview on Iran's Arabic channel 'Al-Alam', Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for the massacre of Jews during World War II, they should host a state of Israel on their own soil. Speaking at a news conference on the summit sidelines, Ahmadinejad said most Jews in Israel "have no roots in Palestine, but they are holding the destiny of Palestine in their hands and allow themselves to kill the Palestinian people." “Some European countries insist on saying that during World War II, Hitler burned millions of Jews and put them in concentration camps. Any historian, commentator or scientist who doubts that is taken to prison or gets condemned. Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true... If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe – like in Germany, Austria or other countries – to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."
#68. To: nolu chan (#65)
The McClatchy articles quotes an Israeli intelligence officer as asking “Did we cry wolf too early?” That’s amusing: Israel (and the West) have been crying wolf over Iran’s nuclear capability for nearly three decades.
#69. To: Pericles (#64)
Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory
#70. To: A K A Stone (#69)
You're a fool.
#71. To: Pericles, A K A Stone (#70)
The Hezbollah war a few years ago when Israel had to send them back to the stone age.
#72. To: SOSO (#46)
"If sh*t truly hit the fan in the ME ..."
#73. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#71)
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#74. To: misterwhite, SOSO (#72)
#75. To: TooConservative (#67)
If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe – like in Germany, Austria or other countries – to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."
#76. To: TooConservative (#71)
(Edited)
"It is widely estimated that they have at least 30,000 missiles in stock ... A lot of these are small dumb missiles ..."
#77. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#76)
#78. To: Pericles (#73)
#79. To: Pericles (#77)
the missiles launched back then were upgraded bottle rockets
#80. To: Pericles (#74)
"I am still waiting for SOSO to comment on the learned wisdom of Bibi's that invading Iraq would be a good idea when he was before congress."
#81. To: Pericles (#75)
That is a good comeback, I must say.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#78)
That's mostly true - the missiles launched back then were upgraded bottle rockets for the most part - more an annoyance than a threat - though I am sure the Hezies now may have deadlier stock.
#83. To: Pericles, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#64)
Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers.
#84. To: Pericles (#74)
#85. To: misterwhite (#72)
Intelligence that we can't get from Saudi Arabia or other friendly Arab countries.
#86. To: SOSO, misterwhite (#84)
First, where is the tirck here, Fool? Second, so did John Kerry and every one of his DIMWIT party memeber that voted for it, including Billary. As usual you are short on the facts so this link should help you learn them. Did Kerry and Clinton also "trick" the U.S.?
#87. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#83)
Iran has not started any offensive wars in living or historical memory - despite claims Iran is looking to initiate the end times by crazed American end-timers.
#88. To: SOSO (#85)
"That ally?"
#89. To: Pericles, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite, A Pole (#87)
This idea Persians are the leaders of Arabs is nonsense. They have a mutual enemy in the Sunnis and the American/Israelis while being independent of each other.
#90. To: misterwhite (#88)
Not to be confused with our "strategic partner in the Middle East", our "friend", our "ally" -- Israel -- which provided 0 troops, 0 tanks, and 0 airplanes.
#91. To: SOSO (#90)
Are you dense?
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