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Title: Obama Threatened to Shoot Down Israeli Jets Attacking Iran
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ob ... eli-jets/2015/03/01/id/627575/
Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: g richter
Post Date: 2015-03-01 20:24:06 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Iran, Israel
Views: 20913
Comments: 102

President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper.

According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida.

Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack.

President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper.

According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida.

Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack.

An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq.

Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources saying that Netanyahu, Minister of Defense Moshe Ya'alon and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman made the plans for airstrikes after consulting top commanders.

In addition to the attacks, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to try to thwart any nuclear deal between the United States and Iran over fears that a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel's existence, the newspaper said.

Israeli pilots reportedly trained for weeks on the mission and even were able to fly into Iranian airspace without being detected by radar.

Israel's fears of nuclear attack are not new. In 2007, an Israeli airstrike took out a suspected nuclear site in Syria. A 1981 airstrike took out a suspected nuclear reactor in Iraq.

Israel National News quoted a Daily Beast interview from 2009 in which former President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski urged Obama to take on any threat to Iran from Israel.

"They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?" Brzezinski said. "We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not."

Brzezinski even suggested, "No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse."

That was an allusion to an incident in the 1967 Six Day War in which Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. Israel later called the attack an incident of "friendly fire."

Netanyahu is set to address a joint session of Congress on Tuesday over the Iranian nuclear threat. Most Democrats have said they will not attend and Obama has said he will not meet with the prime minister since the talk will occur two weeks from Israeli elections.

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#8. To: out damned spot, All (#0)

President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper.

Hey, what are allies for?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   23:05:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#8)

"Hey, what are allies for?"

To assist us and fight beside us when we need them. Just as Israel did in both Desert Shield and Desert Storm against Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and as they did later in our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Oh, wait. No they didn't. Our "strategic partner in the Middle East", armed with billions of dollars of American weapons paid for by the U.S. taxpayer, never fired a shot.

I did a google search of "Gulf War Allies" and Israel wasn't listed. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Egypt and 34 other countries. But no Israel.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-02   10:57:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#29)

I did a google search of "Gulf War Allies" and Israel wasn't listed. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Egypt and 34 other countries. But no Israel.

And exactly why do you think that was? Are you really that uninformed?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   11:18:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SOSO (#33)

"And exactly why do you think that was?"

The "why" is irrelevant. What good is an ally if they can't help?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-02   11:33:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#35)

"And exactly why do you think that was?"

The "why" is irrelevant. What good is an ally if they can't help?

The why is not relevant? Wow, you really are a little sick puppy if you truly believe that. The why is exactly the reason that Israel was in fact a good ally. The U.S. ASKED Israel to stay out of the fighting. I can't believe how disingenous or intellectually dishonest you are.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   11:44:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: SOSO (#37)

"The U.S. ASKED Israel to stay out of the fighting."

NOW ask why.

The answer to that question is why Israel cannot be our ally in the Middle East. So what's the point in pretending they are?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-02   13:12:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: misterwhite (#44)

The answer to that question is why Israel cannot be our ally in the Middle East. So what's the point in pretending they are?

Really? Israel isn't our ally in the ME? Are you that dense? Israel probably provides most of the U.S. intelligence in the region as well as covert operations. If sh*t truly hit the fan in the ME Israel military capablilities will be an invaluable asset and most certainly be readily available. Take the last word, I am done with your willful ignorance on this subject.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   17:09:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SOSO, misterwhite (#46) (Edited)

Really? Israel isn't our ally in the ME? Are you that dense? Israel probably provides most of the U.S. intelligence in the region as well as covert operations.

Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-02   18:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pericles (#49)

Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?

Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   20:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite (#54)

Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?

Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002

Netanyahu's Expert Testimony on Iraq in 2002

Following his first term as Isrel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu testified to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002 as a private citizen, and advised Congress that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would be "a good choice."

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-03   1:20:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#65. To: Pericles, SOSO, TooConservative, misterwhite (#63)

Following his first term as Isrel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu testified to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002 as a private citizen, and advised Congress that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would be "a good choice."

I have lost count of the times that Israel has indicated that if the United States did not take out Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel would be forced to go it alone, because Iran would have nukes in six months or a year or whatever, the time to Armageddon being flexible. About as often, I have pointed out, Israel does not have the military capability to go it alone.

http://opiniojuris.org/2013/01/28/yet-another-estimate-of-when-iran-will-have-the-bomb/

Yet Another Estimate of When Iran Will Have the Bomb

by Kevin Jon Heller

McClatchy reports that Israel now believes Iran will not be able to produce a nuclear weapon until 2015 or 2016. That is progress of a sort; Netanyahu had previously been claiming that Iran would have the bomb no later than late summer 2013 — around six months from now. But Israel is still insisting that Iran is only two or three years away from nuclear capability, so I think it is useful to recall and update the timeline I mentioned early last year of breathless Israeli and Western claims about Iran’s nuclear program:

1984: West German intelligence sources claim that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.” US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.

1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells the Knesset that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

1995: The New York Times reports that US and Israeli officials fear “Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought” – less than five years away. Netanyahu claims the time frame is three to five years.

1996: Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres claims Iran will have nuclear weapons in four years.

1998: Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claims Iran could build an ICBM capable of reaching the US within five years.

1999: An Israeli military official claims that Iran will have a nuclear weapon within five years.

2001: The Israeli Minister of Defence claims that Iran will be ready to launch a nuclear weapon in less than four years.

2002: The CIA warns that the danger of nuclear weapons from Iran is higher than during the Cold War, because its missile capability has grown more quickly than expected since 2000 – putting it on par with North Korea.

2003: A high-ranking Israeli military officer tells the Knesset that Iran will have the bomb by 2005 — 17 months away.

2006: A State Department official claims that Iran may be capable of building a nuclear weapon in 16 days.

2008: An Israeli general tells the Cabinet that Iran is “half-way” to enriching enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon and will have a working weapon no later than the end of 2010.

2009: Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak estimates that Iran is 6-18 months away from building an operative nuclear weapon.

2010: Israeli decision-makers believe that Iran is at most 1-3 years away from being able to assemble a nuclear weapon.

2011: An IAEA report indicates that Iran could build a nuclear weapon within months.

2013: Israeli intelligence officials claim that Iran could have the bomb by 2015 or 2016.

The McClatchy articles quotes an Israeli intelligence officer as asking “Did we cry wolf too early?” That’s amusing: Israel (and the West) have been crying wolf over Iran’s nuclear capability for nearly three decades.

January 28th, 2013 - 7:24 PM EDT

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-03 01:41:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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