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Title: Obama Threatened to Shoot Down Israeli Jets Attacking Iran
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ob ... eli-jets/2015/03/01/id/627575/
Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: g richter
Post Date: 2015-03-01 20:24:06 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Iran, Israel
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President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida. Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack. President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida. Al-Jarida reports that the alleged threat from the White House forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to cancel the planned attack. An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq. Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources saying that Netanyahu, Minister of Defense Moshe Ya'alon and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman made the plans for airstrikes after consulting top commanders. In addition to the attacks, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to try to thwart any nuclear deal between the United States and Iran over fears that a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel's existence, the newspaper said. Israeli pilots reportedly trained for weeks on the mission and even were able to fly into Iranian airspace without being detected by radar. Israel's fears of nuclear attack are not new. In 2007, an Israeli airstrike took out a suspected nuclear site in Syria. A 1981 airstrike took out a suspected nuclear reactor in Iraq. Israel National News quoted a Daily Beast interview from 2009 in which former President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski urged Obama to take on any threat to Iran from Israel. "They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?" Brzezinski said. "We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not." Brzezinski even suggested, "No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse." That was an allusion to an incident in the 1967 Six Day War in which Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. Israel later called the attack an incident of "friendly fire." Netanyahu is set to address a joint session of Congress on Tuesday over the Iranian nuclear threat. Most Democrats have said they will not attend and Obama has said he will not meet with the prime minister since the talk will occur two weeks from Israeli elections.
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#23. To: Gatlin (#22)
Like some obscure Kuwaiti newspaper no one ever heard of is privy to the innermost communications of Israel and America. It's laughable and completely lacking in evidence to support the story.
No they can't. Wow! Iran is a large nation is what that means. Israel can not nuke Iran into submission.
Then Zionism is a stupid idea Gods idea of giving Israel to the Jews is stupid? I don't think God is stupid. Why? God said he made mistakes when he made mankind - kind of stupid of him to the point he had to flood the world - which was also kind of stupid - if you wnat to play this game.
This report is bullshit which is why I treat it as a joke/make light of it.
What's really surprising is this story from the Israeli website is Drudge's big headline today. What is Matt thinking? Including this anywhere on his page is questionable, using to headline makes him look gullible and ridiculous.
"I read it in
To assist us and fight beside us when we need them. Just as Israel did in both Desert Shield and Desert Storm against Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and as they did later in our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, wait. No they didn't. Our "strategic partner in the Middle East", armed with billions of dollars of American weapons paid for by the U.S. taxpayer, never fired a shot. I did a google search of "Gulf War Allies" and Israel wasn't listed. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Egypt and 34 other countries. But no Israel.
I chalk this up as typical disinformation put out ahead of Netanyahy's speech to make him look like a warmonger. Unfortunately those who want to believe it ... will believe it.
"On 8 May 2006, then Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres said in an interview with Reuters that "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map,"
And Iran has never said they would use nuclear weapons to do it. But so what if they did? During the Cold War, the USSR threated to wipe us out every day. With nuclear weapons. Nikita Khrushchev even said, "We will bury you". But we managed to sit down with them and negotiate a truce. Israel can do the same. The problem is, Israel doesn't want to. Right now, they're the bully on the block and they like that.
And exactly why do you think that was? Are you really that uninformed?
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OMG, a threatening response to an overt threat. Why those dirty Israeli bastards! How dare they defend themself?
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The "why" is irrelevant. What good is an ally if they can't help?
You said, "The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map". I was simply replying to your erroneous statement.
The "why" is irrelevant. What good is an ally if they can't help? The why is not relevant? Wow, you really are a little sick puppy if you truly believe that. The why is exactly the reason that Israel was in fact a good ally. The U.S. ASKED Israel to stay out of the fighting. I can't believe how disingenous or intellectually dishonest you are.
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I was simply replying to your erroneous statement. You are totally f*cked in the head. Kiss off, moron.
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I chalk this up as typical disinformation put out ahead of Netanyahy's speech to make him look like a warmonger. Unfortunately those who want to believe it ... will believe it. Whatever he is Bibi is not a peacenik. He also, as a private citizen of Israel (I think he was not leader of Likud then - maybe MP?), urged Congress as a special witness to go to war after 9/11 to topple Saddam, so he, like Bush and Clinton, have American blood on their hands.
I find the Christian Zionist the funniest ones of all - they should welcome Iran having nukes as it will usher in the return of Jesus per their formulation.
The hypocrisy of condemning Bibi for intercontinental campaigning is particularly rank coming from this White House. Does no one else recall Obama's huge campaign event in Germany in 2008? He tried to get the rally at the Brandenburg Gate (equivalent to the Arc de Triomphe or addressing a joint session of the American Congress). Obama's speech in Berlin was in July of 2008 (not in October) but he certainly didn't seem quite so fussy about intercontinental campaigning at famous landmarks back in 2008. And Bibi probably has more dual-citizen voters here in the States than Obama had in all of Europe. What does a pol do when he campaigns? He finds all the voters he can. Imagine how many Israeli voters live in NYC, Chicago, L.A. and Miami alone? What a whiny hypocrite Barky has become in this sorry episode.
I don't disagree but does that mean Israel has become the 51st state with all the mutual political visits to each country? I mean, can anyone run for president and not visit Israel first? Or can a PM of Israel not need to come to the States?
Just when it looks as though he can't get more disgusting...
NOW ask why. The answer to that question is why Israel cannot be our ally in the Middle East. So what's the point in pretending they are?
Yeah, I don't like the back and forth. I find Obama's obvious hypocrisy of Germany-for-me-but-no-Capitol-for-thee-Bibi a little annoying. I'm sure the sharp-tongued writers at major Israeli outlets have not failed to recall Obama's foreign campaigning. I notice Lurch jumped in front of cameras this morning to assure everyone that Bibi was totally welcome to come here and how America and Israel have never had a stronger relationship than now. Apparently, we've reached the Send In The Clowns phase of the Bibi/Barry dueling banjos scene.
Really? Israel isn't our ally in the ME? Are you that dense? Israel probably provides most of the U.S. intelligence in the region as well as covert operations. If sh*t truly hit the fan in the ME Israel military capablilities will be an invaluable asset and most certainly be readily available. Take the last word, I am done with your willful ignorance on this subject.
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Believe what you want kid.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/01/report-obama-admin-denies-claim-president-threatened-to-shoot-down-israeli-fighter-jets-targeting-iran/ Translated: "We did say that but are lying to try and cover our asses".
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
We did that to ourselves. None of the crucial bad intel came from Israel. It came from CIA and some of their EU counterparts, Britain mostly. Israel did not cause our phony invasion of Iraq.
President Barack Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes in 2014 if they were sent to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, according to reports attributed to a Kuwaiti newspaper. [...] An Israeli minister on good relations with the Obama administration reportedly tipped Secretary of State John Kerry to the plan and that Obama vowed to shoot down the planes when they crossed over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq. Control of Iraqi airspace was returned to the Iraqis in 2011. http://iraq.usembassy.gov/airspacepr.html Press Releases U.S. Transfers Control of Baghdad Airspace Sector; Iraq Now Responsible for All Domestic Airspace On October 1, 2011, the U.S. Air Force (USAF) transferred management of the Baghdad/Balad Airspace sector to the Iraq Civil Aviation Authority (ICAA). Iraq’s air traffic controllers are now directing the movement of all aircraft within the area, the busiest and most complex airspace in Iraq. With this step, Iraq has assumed full air traffic control responsibility for the country’s airspace for the first time since 2003. There is no U.S. controlled Iraqi airspace for Kerry to worry about. The anachronistic comment goes to a previous administration when permitting Israelis to fly through such airspace was rejected as unlawful. The US was an occupying nation with the responsibility to secure the airspace of the occupied territory. Simply, Israeli has no capability to carry out such a mission over Iran. It requires in-flight refueling and lengthy flight times in Iranian airspace. Israeli air tankers are refitted Boeing 707s. Iran has an air force. They need only take out an air tanker or two and the Israeli air force will fall out of the sky before it can get back to Israel. There is no friendly territory for them to land in. Israel will not be welcomed to use Turkish airspace. The targets, if Israel even knows where they are, are somewhere far from Israel. Russian radar can detect Israeli or American aircraft, even stealth aircraft. Iran shares an international border with Russia and is not inviting the US, Israel, or NATO into Iran any more than it has welcomed the US/NATO into Ukraine. http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2009/6/iran-strategy/06_iran_strategy.pdf The Saban Center for Middle East Study Analysis Paper Kenneth M. Pollack Chapter 5, pp. 89-99, is "Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike."
It may be more accurate to say Muslims have nukes. I have not seen where Pakistani nukes, developed by Pakistan to keep up with India, belong to any Arab nation.
The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked. http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html Is Iran's President Really a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying Islamo-fascist who has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"? Putting Words in Ahmadinejad's Mouth By VIRGINIA TILLEY Johannesburg, South Africa In this frightening mess in the Middle East, let's get one thing straight. Iran is not threatening Israel with destruction. Iran's president has not threatened any action against Israel. Over and over, we hear that Iran is clearly "committed to annihilating Israel" because the "mad" or "reckless" or "hard-line" President Ahmadinejad has repeatedly threatened to destroy Israel But every supposed quote, every supposed instance of his doing so, is wrong. The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." What did he mean? In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass." [snip] http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155 Jonathan Steele By Robert Mackey http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/lost-in-translation/ Iran never threatened to wipe Israel off the map By Steve Rendall Posted by Glenn Kessler
Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe.
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That is true, he never used those exact words. I gather you do not believe that with just a little bit of reading between the lines of him and others that Iran does not have that intent?
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Even at the time, it was thoroughly debunked by Farsi speakers who explained it rather thoroughly. The original remark was that Israel would fade from time. Of course, the subtext for Ahmadinejad's Iranian listeners was likely that Iran would love to do anything to hasten that day when Israel fades from time's tableaux. But then, about half the public still thinks Saddam attacked us on 9/11. Dumbasses.
The good news is that they vote. The better news is that they breed. Both bode very well for the future.
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Yes some idiom is at play here. But then again the Mahdi Hatter gave the speech at "The World Without Zionism" conference. So context is important here:) Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation. And it was not some neocon website which attributed the idiom to Ahmadinejad's speech but: The Iranian presidential website stated: "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map." [81] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wi ped_off_the_ map.22_controversy The rest of the link above describes some fancy footwork used by apologists for Ahmadinejad and his apocalyptic cult. And I'll note...this misunderstanding business and taking out of context meme reminds me of the papal apologists for Francis.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Or words to that effect. He did not say it. If he has other intent, it was not spoken.
No, it has been deliberately used to create clearly false propaganda. It was used in the same sense as the USSR has disappeared from the map. References to a Zionist regime refer to a government, not a nation. http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/08/28/putting-words-in-ahmadinejad-s-mouth/ Is Iran's President Really a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying Islamo-fascist who has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"? Putting Words in Ahmadinejad's Mouth By VIRGINIA TILLEY Johannesburg, South Africa [excerpt] The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." What did he mean? In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah’s regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass." But what about his other "threats" against Israel? The blathersphere made great hay from his supposed comment later in the same speech, "There is no doubt: the new wave of assaults in Palestine will erase the stigma in [the] countenance of the Islamic world." "Stigma" was interpreted as "Israel" and "wave of assaults" was ominous. But what he actually said was, "I have no doubt that the new movement taking place in our dear Palestine is a wave of morality which is spanning the entire Islamic world and which will soon remove this stain of disgrace from the Islamic world." "Wave of morality" is not "wave of assaults." The preceding sentence had made clear that the "stain of disgrace" was the Muslim world’s failure to eliminate the "occupying regime". For months, scholars like Cole and journalists like the London Guardian’s Jonathan Steele have been pointing out these mistranslations while more and more appear: for example, Mr. Ahmadinejad’s comments at the Organization of Islamic Countries meeting on August 3, 2006. Radio Free Europe reported that he said "that the ‘main cure’ for crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel." "Elimination of Israel" implies physical destruction: bombs, strafing, terror, throwing Jews into the sea. Tony Blair denounced the translated statement as ""quite shocking". But Mr. Ahmadinejad never said this. According to al-Jazeera, what he actually said was "The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist regime, but there should be an immediate ceasefire first." Nefarious agendas are evident in consistently translating "eliminating the occupation regime" as "destruction of Israel". "Regime" refers to governance, not populations or cities. "Zionist regime" is the government of Israel and its system of laws, which have annexed Palestinian land and hold millions of Palestinians under military occupation. Many mainstream human rights activists believe that Israel’s "regime" must indeed be transformed, although they disagree how. Some hope that Israel can be redeemed by a change of philosophy and government (regime) that would allow a two-state solution. Others believe that Jewish statehood itself is inherently unjust, as it embeds racist principles into state governance, and call for its transformation into a secular democracy (change of regime). None of these ideas about regime change signifies the expulsion of Jews into the sea or the ravaging of their towns and cities. All signify profound political change, necessary to creating a just peace.
Did you miss the part about the original translation coming from the Iranian presidential website? Please spare me the "Zionism" vs. Jews in general meme. One only has to look at what a Palestinian rule would be for Jews. Shall we examine the Palestinian rhetoric on what they want to do with Jews?
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 by Arash Norouzi cross the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's president has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made. On Tuesday, October 25th, 2005 at the Ministry of Interior conference hall in Tehran, newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program, reportedly attended by thousands, titled "The World Without Zionism." Large posters surrounding him displayed this title prominently in English, obviously for the benefit of the international press. Below the poster's title was a slick graphic depicting an hour glass containing planet Earth at its top. Two small round orbs representing the United States and Israel are shown falling through the hour glass' narrow neck and crashing to the bottom. Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote – they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomenei, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office. The Actual Quote: So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem). So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel." The Proof: The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). [snip]
Israel tricked us? Please send me some of what you are smoking, I need a trip to the Land of Make Believe. http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002 Netanyahu's Expert Testimony on Iraq in 2002 Following his first term as Isrel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu testified to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002 as a private citizen, and advised Congress that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would be "a good choice."
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#24. To: A K A Stone (#18)
The Iranians can absorb any Israeli nuke strike
#25. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#26. To: TooConservative (#21)
#27. To: Pericles, Gatlin (#26)
#28. To: out damned spot (#0)
"According to the website Israel National News, the Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an cites Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida."
The New York Times Al-Jarida."
#29. To: SOSO (#8)
"Hey, what are allies for?"
#30. To: TooConservative, Pericles, (#27)
#31. To: SOSO (#14)
"The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map a la Iran's stated goal for Israel."
#32. To: Pericles (#15)
"and by the way, Iran said that Zionist Israel would one day cease to exist - not the same thing as a threat."
#33. To: misterwhite (#29)
I did a google search of "Gulf War Allies" and Israel wasn't listed. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Egypt and 34 other countries. But no Israel.
#34. To: misterwhite (#31)
On 8 May 2006, then Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres said in an interview with Reuters that "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map,"
#35. To: SOSO (#33)
"And exactly why do you think that was?"
#36. To: SOSO (#34)
"OMG, a threatening response to an overt threat."
#37. To: misterwhite (#35)
"And exactly why do you think that was?"
#38. To: misterwhite (#36)
You said, "The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map".
#39. To: TooConservative, Gatlin (#30)
(Edited)
#40. To: misterwhite (#32)
But so what if they did?
#41. To: Pericles, Gatlin, out damned spot (#39)
Whatever he is Bibi is not a peacenik. He also, as a private citizen of Israel (I think he was not leader of Likud then - maybe MP?), urged Congress as a special witness to go to war after 9/11 to topple Saddam, so he, like Bush and Clinton, have American blood on their hands.
#42. To: TooConservative, Gatlin, out damned spot (#41)
#43. To: TooConservative, Pericles, out damned spot (#41)
What a whiny hypocrite Barky has become in this sorry episode.
#44. To: SOSO (#37)
"The U.S. ASKED Israel to stay out of the fighting."
#45. To: Pericles (#42)
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#46. To: misterwhite (#44)
The answer to that question is why Israel cannot be our ally in the Middle East. So what's the point in pretending they are?
#47. To: Pericles (#9)
#48. To: out damned spot (#0)
Obama Admin. Denies Claim President Threatened to Shoot Down Israeli Fighter Jets Targeting Iran
#49. To: SOSO, misterwhite (#46)
(Edited)
Really? Israel isn't our ally in the ME? Are you that dense? Israel probably provides most of the U.S. intelligence in the region as well as covert operations.
#50. To: Pericles (#49)
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
#51. To: out damned spot (#0)
[Article excerpts]
Embassy of the United States
Baghdad, Iraq Which Path to Persia? [170 pp. PDF]
at the Brookings Institution
Number 20, June 2009
Daniel L. Byman
Martin Indyk
Suzanne Maloney
Michael E. O’Hanlon
Bruce Riedel
#52. To: Pericles, SOSO (#11)
The Arabs already have nukes, Pakistan is storing them for them.
#53. To: SOSO, Pericles (#14)
If you say so, Sparky. The last I checked no-one in the Mideast is threatening to wipe Iran off the map a la Iran's stated goal for Israel.
August 28, 2006
Lost in translation
The Guardian (UK)
14 June 2006 07.49 EDT Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’
April 17, 2012 7:11 pm
New York TimesLost in Translation
FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)
June 1, 2012 Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’?
Washington Post
at 06:00 AM ET, 10/05/2011
#54. To: Pericles (#49)
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
#55. To: nolu chan, Pericles (#53)
The propaganda that Iran or Ahmedinejad threatened "to wipe Iran off the map" has been thoroughly debunked.
#56. To: nolu chan (#53)
Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped Off the Map’
#57. To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#56)
But then, about half the public still thinks Saddam attacked us on 9/11. Dumbasses.
#58. To: TooConservative (#56)
(Edited)
Even at the time, it was thoroughly debunked by Farsi speakers who explained it rather thoroughly. The original remark was that Israel would fade from time. Of course, the subtext for Ahmadinejad's Iranian listeners was likely that Iran would love to do anything to hasten that day when Israel fades from time's tableaux.
#59. To: SOSO (#55)
That is true, he never used those exact words.
#60. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#58)
Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation.
August 28, 2006
#61. To: nolu chan (#60)
#62. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#58)
Given the context of the speech, the use of "wipe Israel from the map" is a fair use of idiom in interpretation.
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
May 26, 2007
#63. To: SOSO, nolu chan, TooConservative, misterwhite (#54)
Like tricking us with false intel into taking out Saddam?
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