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Title: Pope Francis attacks 'throw-away' economic globalization
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015 ... -economy-idUSKBN0LW0NZ20150228
Published: Feb 28, 2015
Author: James Mackenzie
Post Date: 2015-02-28 13:54:03 by Willie Green
Keywords: globalization
Views: 14731
Comments: 66

(Reuters) - Pope Francis launched a fresh attack on economic injustice on Saturday, condemning the "throw-away culture" of globalization and calling for new ways of thinking about poverty, welfare, employment and society.

In a speech to the association of Italian cooperative movements, he pointed to the "dizzying rise in unemployment" and the problems that existing welfare systems had in meeting healthcare needs.

For those living "at the existential margins" the current social and political system "seems fatally destined to suffocate hope and increase risks and threats," he said.

The Argentinian-born pope, who has often criticized orthodox market economics for fostering unfairness and inequality, said people were forced to work long hours, sometimes in the black economy, for a few hundred euros a month because they were seen as easily replaceable.

"'You don't like it? Go home then'. What can you do in a world that works like this? Because there's a queue of people looking for work. If you don't like it, someone else will," he said in an unscripted change from the text of his speech.

"It's hunger, hunger that makes us accept what they give us," he said.

His remarks have a special resonance in Italy, where unemployment, particularly among young people, is running at record levels after years of economic recession.

The cooperative movement in Italy, whose roots go back to 19th century workers' associations, have long had close ties to the Catholic Church, with credit services, agricultural and building co-ops forming an important part of the overall economy.

Pope Francis said they could help find new models and methods that could be an alternative model to the "throw-away culture created by the powers that control the economic and financial policies of the globalized world."

Perhaps mindful of a wide-ranging corruption scandal linked to some cooperatives in Rome last year, he attacked those who "prostitute the cooperative name".

But his overall message was that economic rationale had to be secondary to the wider needs of human society.

"When money becomes an idol, it commands the choices of man. And thus it ruins man and condemns him. It makes him a slave," he said.

"Money at the service of life can be managed in the right way by cooperatives, on condition that it is a real cooperative where capital does not have command over men but men over capital," he said.

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#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

I have begun to think this pope is the one that will finally destroy Roman Catholicism. Obviously a low-grade choice.

He won't make one big mistake, IMO. The papacy is more likely to die a death by a thousand cuts.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   14:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

I have begun to think this pope is the one that will finally destroy Roman Catholicism.

Nah. He's just stating the old doctrines in a refreshing new way.

The gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, and Francis is one of the good guys.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-28   23:02:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

He quoted his namesake, St Francis of Assisi, in calling money the “devil’s dung,” according to Vatican Radio. “When money becomes an idol, it controls man’s choices,” he added. “It makes him a slave.”

This is far from the first time the Pope has addressed the condition of the working class in the globalized world; in a speech at the U.N. last year, the Pope asked world leaders to redistribute wealth.

But won't redistribution of wealth via the UN actually be a way to drown the poor in this vile devil's dung that Francis has so much of personally?

The Vatican is a hoard of looting. Maybe Francis should redistribute his own hoard before he lectures others.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   1:13:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#24)

The Vatican is a hoard of looting. Maybe Francis should redistribute his own hoard before he lectures others.

Touche. But perhaps the Vatican needs a bit of a war chest just in case all of the molestaion cases haven't be yet settled?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   1:17:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SOSO, Pericles, redleghunter (#26)

Touche. But perhaps the Vatican needs a bit of a war chest just in case all of the molestaion cases haven't be yet settled?

Yeah but I don't find that in scripture either. Nor among the writings of the ancient church fathers. They did speak of and admire voluntary holy poverty quite often.

There is no personal spiritual merit involved if people give to the poor at gunpoint. At least, not judging by the scripture and writings of the early churches.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   6:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#33)

Does the Old Testament have any authority?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-01   8:12:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, SOSO, GarySpFc (#34)

Does the Old Testament have any authority?

An obvious leading question.

I maintain, as always (and which you already know), that the New Testament is a complete and sufficient scripture to meet all the needs of Christians. In some instances, you must know some details of the Old Testament to understand the NT quotes and references made to Old Testament writings, just as you also need to know the history and culture of the first century Romans, their philosophers, their pagan cults to understand some passages of NT writings.

But go ahead and post the essay that you are no doubt composing at this very moment.

I will point out that, if the Old Testament's covenant is still in effect in any way, there can be no New Covenant in Christ. Either that temple veil was permanently sundered from top to bottom or it was not so don't waste your keystrokes on Jesuitical arguments that amount to dishonestly trying to have it both ways. Argue your points accordingly.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   8:53:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter, GarySpFc (#35)

I will try to make things as simple as I can for you. You do not have a NT without the OT. There would be no need for a NT without the OT. For one thing Man would still be living in the Garden of Eden in total communion with GOd. The sacrifice of Cross would not have been needed. You cannot dismiss the OT as you simply do without bastardizing the NT.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   13:54:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SOSO (#39)

You cannot dismiss the OT as you simply do without bastardizing the NT.

I don't dismiss the Old Testament. I place it in its proper perspective as historical material and understanding the Old Covenant.

But I don't allow the Old Testament and the Old Covenant to invade the proper authoritative place of the New Testament and its New Covenant in my own thinking.

The New Testament is preeminent in authority to the Old Testament. The Old Covenant passed away with the renting of the veil in the Temple.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   14:43:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter, GarySpFc (#43)

I place it in its proper perspective as historical material and understanding the Old Covenant.

What was the original Covenant with Man? Would that covenant still be in place had not Man dishonored it? The whole reason for the NT, the New Covenant as you refer to it, was Man's breaking of the original Old Covenant. One must look at the whole of the context. Further it serves one's reflection on the matter that all of the Covenants are unilaterally one way, i.e. - made from God to Man. They were not negotiated by Man, much less asked for by Man - including the original Covenant.

One cannot understand/appreciate the NT, the New Covenant, without fully understanding and embracing the OT. But if you find comfort in doing so, have at it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   14:52:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: SOSO (#44)

But if you find comfort in doing so, have at it.

Why do I get the impression that you hold some favored doctrine for which you can find exactly zero support in any New Testament scripture?

Otherwise...‹/yawn

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   14:56:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TooConservative (#46)

Why do I get the impression that you hold some favored doctrine for which you can find exactly zero support in any New Testament scripture?

Beats me. Why? And what doctrine would that be?

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   15:02:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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