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Economy Title: Pope Francis attacks 'throw-away' economic globalization (Reuters) - Pope Francis launched a fresh attack on economic injustice on Saturday, condemning the "throw-away culture" of globalization and calling for new ways of thinking about poverty, welfare, employment and society. In a speech to the association of Italian cooperative movements, he pointed to the "dizzying rise in unemployment" and the problems that existing welfare systems had in meeting healthcare needs. For those living "at the existential margins" the current social and political system "seems fatally destined to suffocate hope and increase risks and threats," he said. The Argentinian-born pope, who has often criticized orthodox market economics for fostering unfairness and inequality, said people were forced to work long hours, sometimes in the black economy, for a few hundred euros a month because they were seen as easily replaceable. "'You don't like it? Go home then'. What can you do in a world that works like this? Because there's a queue of people looking for work. If you don't like it, someone else will," he said in an unscripted change from the text of his speech. "It's hunger, hunger that makes us accept what they give us," he said. His remarks have a special resonance in Italy, where unemployment, particularly among young people, is running at record levels after years of economic recession. The cooperative movement in Italy, whose roots go back to 19th century workers' associations, have long had close ties to the Catholic Church, with credit services, agricultural and building co-ops forming an important part of the overall economy. Pope Francis said they could help find new models and methods that could be an alternative model to the "throw-away culture created by the powers that control the economic and financial policies of the globalized world." Perhaps mindful of a wide-ranging corruption scandal linked to some cooperatives in Rome last year, he attacked those who "prostitute the cooperative name". But his overall message was that economic rationale had to be secondary to the wider needs of human society. "When money becomes an idol, it commands the choices of man. And thus it ruins man and condemns him. It makes him a slave," he said. "Money at the service of life can be managed in the right way by cooperatives, on condition that it is a real cooperative where capital does not have command over men but men over capital," he said. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 41. I have begun to think this pope is the one that will finally destroy Roman Catholicism. Obviously a low-grade choice. He won't make one big mistake, IMO. The papacy is more likely to die a death by a thousand cuts.
#7. To: TooConservative (#5) I have begun to think this pope is the one that will finally destroy Roman Catholicism. Nah. He's just stating the old doctrines in a refreshing new way. The gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, and Francis is one of the good guys.
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
But won't redistribution of wealth via the UN actually be a way to drown the poor in this vile devil's dung that Francis has so much of personally? The Vatican is a hoard of looting. Maybe Francis should redistribute his own hoard before he lectures others.
#26. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#24) The Vatican is a hoard of looting. Maybe Francis should redistribute his own hoard before he lectures others. Touche. But perhaps the Vatican needs a bit of a war chest just in case all of the molestaion cases haven't be yet settled?
#33. To: SOSO, Pericles, redleghunter (#26) Touche. But perhaps the Vatican needs a bit of a war chest just in case all of the molestaion cases haven't be yet settled? Yeah but I don't find that in scripture either. Nor among the writings of the ancient church fathers. They did speak of and admire voluntary holy poverty quite often. There is no personal spiritual merit involved if people give to the poor at gunpoint. At least, not judging by the scripture and writings of the early churches.
#34. To: TooConservative (#33) Does the Old Testament have any authority?
#35. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, SOSO, GarySpFc (#34) Does the Old Testament have any authority? An obvious leading question. I maintain, as always (and which you already know), that the New Testament is a complete and sufficient scripture to meet all the needs of Christians. In some instances, you must know some details of the Old Testament to understand the NT quotes and references made to Old Testament writings, just as you also need to know the history and culture of the first century Romans, their philosophers, their pagan cults to understand some passages of NT writings. But go ahead and post the essay that you are no doubt composing at this very moment. I will point out that, if the Old Testament's covenant is still in effect in any way, there can be no New Covenant in Christ. Either that temple veil was permanently sundered from top to bottom or it was not so don't waste your keystrokes on Jesuitical arguments that amount to dishonestly trying to have it both ways. Argue your points accordingly.
#39. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter, GarySpFc (#35) I will try to make things as simple as I can for you. You do not have a NT without the OT. There would be no need for a NT without the OT. For one thing Man would still be living in the Garden of Eden in total communion with GOd. The sacrifice of Cross would not have been needed. You cannot dismiss the OT as you simply do without bastardizing the NT.
#40. To: SOSO (#39) Jesus on every page of Scriptures. The TaNaKh and NT.
#41. To: redleghunter (#40) Jesus on every page of Scriptures. The TaNaKh and NT. Perhaps that's becuase God knew the story from beginning to end before He wrote it.
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