[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]
|
Status: Not Logged In; Sign In
Bang / Guns Title: Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle It’s starting. As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president. Wednesday night, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, stepped in with a critical letter to the bureau demanding it explain the surprise and abrupt bullet ban. The letter is shown below. The National Rifle Association, which is working with Goodlatte to gather co- signers, told Secrets that 30 House members have already co-signed the letter and Goodlatte and the NRA are hoping to get a total of 100 fast. "The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop. "The NRA and our tens of millions of supporters across the country will fight to stop President Obama's latest attack on our Second Amendment freedoms." At issue is so-called “armor-piercing” ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo. The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher-caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it’s mostly used by target shooters, not criminals. The agency proposes to reclassify it as armor-piercing and not exempt. RELATED: Colorado politician who survived Columbine wants concealed carry in schools But now BATFE says that since the bullets can be used in semi-automatic handguns they pose a threat to police and must be banned from production, sale and use. But, as Goodlatte noted, the agency offered no proof. Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo. “This round is amongst the most commonly used in the most popular rifle design in America, the AR-15. Millions upon millions of M855 rounds have been sold and used in the U.S., yet ATF has not even alleged — much less offered evidence — that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer,” said Goodlatte’s letter. Even some police don’t buy the administration’s claim. “Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol,” Brent Ball, owner of 417 Guns in Springfield, Mo., and a 17-year veteran police officer told the Springfield News-Leader. “As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you.” Many see the bullet ban as an assault on the AR-15 and Obama’s back-door bid to end production and sale. “We are concerned,” said Justin Anderson with Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, N.C., one of the nation’s top sellers of AR-15 style rifles. “Frankly, we're always concerned when the government uses back-door methods to impose quasi-gun control.” Groups like the National Shooting Sports Foundation suggest that under BATFE’s new rule, other calibers like popular deer hunting .308 bullets could be banned because they also are used in AR platforms, some of which can be turned into pistol-style guns. “This will have a detrimental effect on hunting nationwide,” said the group. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest ‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’ #2. To: All (#1)
‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’ #3. To: out damned spot (#0) Every communist / Marxist dictator has to disarm the populace!
#4. To: patriot wes (#3) He can't disarm nothing. Anyone with half a brain has amassed ammo by the thousands or reloading supplies. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #5. To: GrandIsland (#4) Anyone with half a brain has amassed ammo by the thousands or reloading supplies. It wouldn't surprise me if AR15 ammo turns out to be a better return on investment than the stock market is offering. Obama has unintentionally done more for the 2nd Amendment than any U.S. president. Ever.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5) This article sounds like click bait. No guns have been banned by Obama yet and he has limited time in office. Relax people.
#7. To: Pericles (#6) This article sounds like click bait. So what? Every article on the internet is clickbait by definition. Don't make me explain the term hypertext to you. And, yes, this is a very real threat.
#8. To: TooConservative, Pericles, GrandIsland, patriot wes, out damned spot, All (#7)
#9. To: Gatlin (#8) BATF just released a document [PDF here] that proposed the reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from the category of "primarily used for sporting purposes" to that of "armor piercing ammunition." So categorizing an ammo that is 99.999999% used solely for sporting purposes and declaring it outlawed to the public due to the actions of a handful of criminals who did use it to pierce police armor is a Big Nothing to you. Just how many uses of 5.56 ammo have actually involved a shooting that penetrated police armor? Is there any jackboot you won't lick and ask for more? And who runs the BATFE? An Obama appointee. The same people who give guns to the big drug cartels and get DEA agents murdered because of it. You would notice that the police themselves don't ask for this "protection" and generally oppose it if you weren't so busy goosestepping to the Obama anthem.
#10. To: TooConservative (#9) (Edited) Obama to ban bullets by executive action Spin on as much as you like. I only seek the truth.
#11. To: Gatlin (#10) Spin as much as you like, but now show exactly where Obama will use "executive action." I don't think you even understand the three major types of executive action that any president can take. When you find them and list them for me on this thread, I'll discuss it with you. As it is, you are simply too ignorant to waste keystrokes on.
#12. To: Gatlin (#8) " I hate yellow journalism and fear mongers! " So, just to be clear, I take it that you think this is no big deal, it does no harm to US citizens, and you consider it A OK. Is that right ? Si vis pacem, para bellum #13. To: Stoner (#12) (Edited)
#14. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#13) I am in agreement with this viewpoint as to the origin of the action: In the complete absence of any credible threat, the BATFE reached out to do this on its own authority, not bothering to ask Congress for the authority. They held public hearings with some groups who they decided were key stakeholders and decided that their statutory authority should be used to take ammo supplies away despite there being no reported problems or incidents at all. The grounds upon which they wish to ban this ammo for all users is that some fairly rare $1000 pistols that have barrels over 7" long might be used to shoot a cop. This is not a pistol that can be readily concealed. Yet the BATFE insists this round must be taken away, despite all the other far greater known dangers. Like the BATFE coercing gun shops to sell thousands of AR guns and a lot of ammo to violent Mexican drug gangs and then losing track of them until the bodies started to pile up by the hundreds, including two dead DEA agents who were killed with those BATFE-supplied guns. The BATFE is demonstrably more dangerous to local and federal law enforcement and the public at large than this ammo is. If they actually cared about public safety, the BATFE should ban itself.
#15. To: TooConservative (#14) I am in agreement. I have no problem with your viewpoint. BTAF should not be the deciding authority. I am not defending this action by BTAF. I am against it. I just cannot find any source to blame it on Obama's Executive Action. I know that Executive Action is a loose term that can be applied to almost anything including taking a crap. But I think some action justification should be shown when it is blamed or attributed to for some action.
#16. To: TooConservative (#11) (Edited) As it is, you are simply too ignorant to waste keystrokes on. There is no need for you to get so nasty. Publishing an article blaming Obama does not solve the problem. BTAF is the problem. BTAF can be stopped through Congressional action and that action needs to be taken now. Attacking Obama may be gratifying but it does not solve the problem.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#16) I am neither a hunter nor a shooter. You are the one person who can see both sides of this situation as a retired LEO and a hunter/shooter. Therefore, I have some questions, please. The article states this (reclassification) “threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle.” BTAFE has proposed the reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from the category of "primarily used for sporting purposes" to that of "armor piercing ammunition." Is this a good thing for LEOs and why is it a bad thing for hunters/shooters? Is there other ammo available for the AR-15 if the “green tip” ammo is banned?
#18. To: Gatlin (#16) " BTAF can be stopped through Congressional action and that action needs to be taken now. " Yes, but do not hold your breath waiting for it to happen. BTW, if you think Obama did not have any thing to do with this, then you are willfully naive. Si vis pacem, para bellum #19. To: Gatlin (#17) The article states this (reclassification) “threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle.” Fear monger crap. The rifle will still sell... and ammo manufactures will developed some new projectile that loopholes this bullshit legislation. Besides, I know for a fact that a fair amount of the populace has amassed a great deal of ammo. I've seen it on many occasions, while inside people's homes. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #20. To: Gatlin (#17) (Edited) Is this a good thing for LEOs an No gun or ammo legislation is good for LE. It's all feel good BS. A standard hunting rifle bullet will cut right through soft body armor. This is simply a frustrated anti gun agenda's attempt at controlling an item the USSC won't let them ban, the AR-15 platform. So they will take a shot against the ammo. Just like banning synthetic marihuana, it's stupid. Because the drug industry develops it with a new chemical compound and loopholes legislation. It's really a waste of LE time. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #21. To: GrandIsland (#19) Fear monger crap. I thought so, but had no experience and could find no research to back it up.
#22. To: GrandIsland (#20) This is simply a frustrated anti gun agenda's attempt at controlling an item the USSC won't let them ban, the AR-15 platform. So they will take a shot against the ammo. Got it...thanks.
#23. To: Gatlin (#21) thought so, but had no experience and could find no research to back it up. Hell, I have 2.5 of them. A Colt H-Bar that's been new in box since 1992, a 16" Bushmaster M4 A3 Patrolman's rifle... and a RockRiver Arms stripped lower receiver, which I plan on building a short 11" barrel model... very soon I'll always have plenty of ammo to shoot. O'bunghole, the anti-gun activist, Sarah Brady and Gabrelle Gifford can all B L O W ME They can come get them... But they get the bullets first. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #24. To: GrandIsland (#23) They can come get them... But they get the bullets first. Damn, you must have moved to northern Michigan or Montana or Idaho. LOL.
#25. To: TooConservative (#24) Regardless of any opinion about me, past or present... I'd never allow anyone to just steal or take my weapons without risking death first. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #26. To: GrandIsland, rf396 (#25) Sounds like you've made your own happy Escape From New York. : )
#27. To: TooConservative (#26) Sounds like you've made your own happy Escape From New York. : ) I only go back, briefly to visit family or subpoenas. I try not to spend a dime there. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy #28. To: TooConservative (#7) This article sounds like click bait. So what? Every article on the internet is clickbait by definition. Don't make me explain the term hypertext to you. It is also a false story.
#29. To: Pericles (#28) It is also a false story. No, it isn't. This is Obama implementing the gungrabbers' proposals to outlaw ammo or to require "smart guns" or any other tactics to make it harder to have a gun. The case is, admittedly, a matter of selling cheap surplus ammo or not.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
||
|
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]
|