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Title: Judge Torruella calls on courts to “reevaluate” Commerce Clause decisions
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Published: Feb 17, 2015
Author: Jonathan Adler
Post Date: 2015-02-17 16:15:05 by tpaine
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Judge Torruella calls on courts to “reevaluate” Commerce Clause decisions

The constitutional power to regulate “commerce . . . among the several states” continues to serve as a broad catch-all basis for federal authority over intrastate activity. Federal statutes routinely assert federal jurisdiction over run-of-the-mill crimes based upon any connection to interstate commerce, no matter how tenuous. Courts, for their part, have been extremely permissive, allowing federal prosecution on the barest showing of a connection to commerce.

Not all judges are happy with these developments, nor do all judges believe the courts’ permissive approach is consistent with recent Supreme Court decisions, including NFIB v. Sebelius. One such judge is Judge Juan Toruella of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit. In United States v. Joubert, involving a federal sex crime prosecution, Judge Toruella wrote a separate concurring opinion expressing reservations about the scope of the federal commerce power as it is currently understood and applied in federal court.

Here is what Judge Toruella wrote:

I join the court’s opinion in full but write separately to note my disagreement with the state of our Commerce Clause jurisprudence.

It seems counterintuitive that interstate commerce is affected when Joubert purchases a VHS videotape in New Hampshire, records on the VHS videotape in New Hampshire, and neither sells nor attempts to sell the VHS videotape outside of New Hampshire. Indeed, the only argument in support of a connection to interstate commerce is that, in aggregate, this type of behavior has an effect on interstate commerce. This borders on the farcical, as the evidence suggests that the content of the videotape was made exclusively for Joubert’s own personal use. Any commonsense understanding of “interstate commerce” excludes the conduct at issue here.

Yet, as the court correctly notes, and Joubert himself concedes, this court and most (if not all) of the other circuits have found this connection perfectly acceptable, and thus constitutional. . . . This “link” to interstate commerce, which is tenuous at best, also effectively gives the federal government unlimited jurisdiction, since there is very little in today’s society that, when aggregated, would have no impact on interstate commerce. We have put aside common sense in order to federalize conduct which we believe needs to be punished.

Let there be no doubt: I am in full agreement that the behavior Joubert was convicted of must be punished, and punished harshly. This punishment, however, should be meted out by the state under its plenary police power, and not by the federal government with its limited jurisdictional reach. [FN: This is not a situation where if the federal government did not have jurisdiction, the crime would go unpunished. The investigation began with police in York, Maine, and it continued as a joint state/federal task force. I have little doubt that had the FBI not been involved and had not brought these federal charges, state prosecutors would have brought charges.] . . .

Recent Supreme Court cases suggest a push in this direction. See, e.g., Nat’l Fed’n of Indep. Bus. v. Sebelius, 132 S. Ct. 2566, 2591 (2012) (“Although the [Commerce] Clause gives Congress authority to legislate . . . , it does not license the exercise of any great substantive and independent power[s] beyond those specifically enumerated. Instead, the Clause is merely a declaration . . . that the means of carrying into execution those [powers] otherwise granted are included in the grant.” (second and third alterations in the original) (internal citations and quotation marks omitted)); . . . Given this trend of narrowing the reach of the Commerce Clause, I believe this court should reevaluate its precedents and lead the return to a more faithful reading of the term “interstate commerce.”

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#1. To: tpaine, nolu chan, Vicomte13 (#0)

In United States v. Joubert, involving a federal sex crime prosecution, Judge Toruella wrote a separate concurring opinion expressing reservations about the scope of the federal commerce power as it is currently understood and applied in federal court.

The Founders never conceived of any kind of federal criminal justice system that could punish pervs. The realm of criminal justice was dominated by the States, almost exclusively.

In addition, commerce is not smuggling or trade in banned goods. Commerce is properly conceived as legal trade operations, not the operations of criminal elements and perverts. For this reason, the tobacco and alcohol industries are commerce because they are established in law and regulation but the new marijuana industry is not commerce as it remains illegal under federal law and all but a few states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-18   5:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

--- commerce is not smuggling or trade in banned goods. Commerce is properly conceived as legal trade operations, not the operations of criminal elements and perverts. For this reason, the tobacco and alcohol industries are commerce because they are established in law and regulation but the new marijuana industry is not commerce as it remains illegal under federal law and all but a few states.

The federal 'law' making certain drugs 'illegal' uses the wording of the commerce cause at issue. Thus, claiming this type of commence "remains illegal" is a circular, invalid argument..

As you say, -- "The Founders never conceived of any kind of federal criminal justice system that could punish pervs. The realm of criminal justice was dominated by the States, almost exclusively."

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-18   7:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: (#0)

Legalism piles upon legalism. Reality operates differently.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-18   9:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#1)

According to court documents, he did transport the VHS tape across state lines. Meaning the federal authorities had the authority to get involved.

But this was really a state crime. Now, if the state refused to pursue the case, that's a different matter.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-18   10:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative, tpaine, Vicomte13 (#1)

The Founders never conceived of any kind of federal criminal justice system that could punish pervs. The realm of criminal justice was dominated by the States, almost exclusively.

Correct. Originally, Federal criminal jurisdiction extended over treason. Crimes occurring in States were under State jurisdiction. That said, the expanded government is not going away.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-18   19:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan, misterwhite, y'all (#5)

Originally, Federal criminal jurisdiction extended over treason. Crimes occurring in States were under State jurisdiction.

According to court documents, he did transport the VHS tape across state lines. Meaning the federal authorities had the authority to get involved.-- misterwhite

As you see, misterwhite differs.. Perhaps you can get him to explain his reasoning.

He's too chickenshit to debate me anymore..

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-18   20:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tpaine, misterwhite (#6)

[misterwhite] According to court documents, he did transport the VHS tape across state lines. Meaning the federal authorities had the authority to get involved.-- misterwhite

[tpaine] As you see, misterwhite differs. Perhaps you can get him to explain his reasoning.

In order to reply, the actual statute is necessary, along with making the Opinion of the Court available.

media.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/14-1259P-01A.pdf

The complete Opinion of the Court and the Concurring Opinion of Judge Torruella are at the link.

The law in question is here.

SEXUAL EXPLOITATION AND OTHER ABUSE OF CHILDREN - 18 U.S.C. § 2252 (2012)

§2252. Certain activities relating to material involving the sexual exploitation of minors

(a) Any person who—

(1) knowingly transports or ships using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means including by computer or mails, any visual depiction, if—

(A) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

(B) such visual depiction is of such conduct;

[snip]

I saw no indication of how he transported or shipped by means or facility of interstate commerce. The video was made in one state and discovered much later in another state. How it made the trip is up to conjecture. Where is the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was by means or facility of interstate commerce? Carrying a VHS tape across state lines, in itself, is not a crime and does not invoke federal jurisdiction. This case appears to contain a good deal of bootstrapping.

The law itself is unconstitutional if interstate or foreign commerce is not a required element of the crime.

You may want to review it. I find the defense of the search warrant probable cause to be strained (at 7-12), and it looked more like reasonable suspicion. The admission of uncharged child molestation evidence appears questionable (at 12-16).

At 11, a farcical claim regarding what was described as the described evidence justifying the search warrant:

The affidavit's only photographing allegations are of photographing at athletic events, at the beach, or similar settings. This argument misses the mark completely. To start with, this argument is not a challenge to the nexus with the location, but rather a challenge to the specification of an object of the search.

Even allowed as such, the argument fails because photographs of any type of any of the suspected victims would provide evidence of the crimes specified. Even otherwise innocuous pictures of Joubert and his accusers would be relevant (albeit insufficient) evidence for building a case that the alleged abuse actually occurred because such pictures would preclude the possibility that Joubert never knew nor was in contact with the accusers. See Fed. R. Evid. 401 ("Evidence is relevant if: (a) it has any tendency to make a fact more or less probable than it would be without the evidence; and (b) the fact is of consequence in

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determining the action."). It therefore does not matter that the affidavit contained no allegations of child pornography.

If photographs at the beach are "relevant [] evidence for building a case that the alleged abuse actually occurred," would a Mt. Everest of such pictures provide sufficient evidence? Would showing beyond a doubt that Joubert knew his accusers prove the charges? This is like a wish sandwich.

If the "affidavit contained no allegations of child pornography," what crime were they investigating, and what evidence of that crime were they searching for?

I am afraid I can't really help you get a response from misterwhite. A few months ago, misterwhite took exception to my dissent to his claims here. All the people, including misterwhite enjoy the right of freedom of association, or non-association.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-18   23:55:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#7)

"The video was made in one state and discovered much later in another state. How it made the trip is up to conjecture."

True. And it's up to a jury to determine if he was one one who transported it across state lines. But the feds had probable cause to charge him.

You seems to think that a jury must find him guilty of interstate transportation first before the feds can even charge him. Ummm. That's not how it works.

"I find the defense of the search warrant probable cause to be strained (at 7-12), and it looked more like reasonable suspicion.

If the jury agrees with you, any evidence obtained by that warrant will be thrown out.

"A few months ago, misterwhite took exception to my dissent to his claims here."

And this is how you respond -- by whining about it in another thread? Next time, address my statement point by point and try to refute it ... if you can. Don't cry about it 3 months later.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-19   10:01:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

True. And it's up to a jury to determine if he was one one who transported it across state lines. But the feds had probable cause to charge him.

You seems to think that a jury must find him guilty of interstate transportation first before the feds can even charge him. Ummm. That's not how it works.

That is incorrect.

The Court must find an alleged act of interstate or foreign commerce to find that the Court has jurisdiction to hear the case. No alleged act of interstate commerce equals no subject matter jurisdiction. It is a legal question that is not considered by the jury at all.

The text of the statute makes clear that an act of interstate or foreign commerce is an integral part of the offense. It is a crucial element to establish Federal jurisdiction. The Court must find sufficient facts alleged which, if true, would prove each element of the offense.

All matters of law are decided by the Court. Jurisdiction must be pleaded in every case, and it is decided before a jury is ever selected.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-19   13:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9)

"The text of the statute makes clear that an act of interstate or foreign commerce is an integral part of the offense. It is a crucial element to establish Federal jurisdiction. The Court must find sufficient facts alleged which, if true, would prove each element of the offense."

Well, according to you, "The video was made in one state and discovered much later in another state."

Isn't that sufficient probable cause to get the feds involved?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-19   13:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

Well, according to you, "The video was made in one state and discovered much later in another state."

Isn't that sufficient probable cause to get the feds involved?

Usually that probable cause thingee is needed before the search and seizure to obtain the warrant.

Do you claim that they can they can perform a general search for whatever, find a video as evidence, and use said evidence not described in the affidavit, of a crime not described in the affidavit, to provide the probable cause for the completed search?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-21   19:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu chan (#11)

"Do you claim that they can they can perform a general search for whatever, find a video as evidence, and use said evidence not described in the affidavit, of a crime not described in the affidavit, to provide the probable cause for the completed search?"

If the police have a valid search warrant for, say, drugs and find a dead body, yeah, that dead body can be used as evidence against you in a murder trial.

Are you saying that because the warrant was for drugs the police have to ignore the dead body?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-22   9:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#11)

"Usually that probable cause thingee is needed before ..."

Usually? So even you admit sometimes it's not needed before.

Well, this is one of those times I guess.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-22   9:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#13)

Usually? So even you admit sometimes it's not needed before.

Well, this is one of those times I guess.

I can play that game. Are you admitting they were granted a warrant without demonstrating probable cause? It was just one of those times?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-22   12:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#12)

If the police have a valid search warrant for, say, drugs and find a dead body, yeah, that dead body can be used as evidence against you in a murder trial.

Are you saying that because the warrant was for drugs the police have to ignore the dead body?

Nah, more like a warrant to search for a dead body, with no homicide mentioned in the affidavit, and finding drugs in a plastic container inside a metal box, inside a dresser drawer without finding a dead body.

Or finding the dead body in question and continuing to search by opening dresser drawers.

Or looking for a dead body by opening dresser drawers.

The warrant must specify a crime, and specify what suspected evidence of the crime is to be searched for. If the evidence of the crime is found, the search ends. No evidence found as a result of a continued search would be admissible.

You could not search his computer looking for a corpse. Bringing a cadaver dog would be fine, bringing a drug dog would be outside the warrant.

Let us say the warrant was for drugs. The warrant would not cover a search of the data on his hard drive.

The search is for what is specified on the warrant. It only extends to searching places where the specified evidence may reasonably be found. If a corpse cannot reasonably fit in a pill box, you cannot open pill boxes purporting to search for a corpse.

If the warrant is found to have lacked probable cause, the drugs, the body, and all else found as a result of that search, or any subsequent search resulting from that search, is considered fruit of the poisonous tree and cannot be used against you. The reviewing court may only look within the four corners of the affidavit filed with the request for the warrant to find the alleged probable cause.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-22   13:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

Government doesn't need no stinckin' warrant anymore. All they need is a SWAT breaking down doors, collecting evidence and then claiming, it was all a mistake.

There is no probable clause, either.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-22   13:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#15)

Nah, more like a warrant to search for a dead body, with no homicide mentioned in the affidavit, and finding drugs in a plastic container inside a metal box, inside a dresser drawer without finding a dead body.

Or finding the dead body in question and continuing to search by opening dresser drawers.

Or looking for a dead body by opening dresser drawers.

Oh, please. A first-year law student could get that evidence suppressed.

"The search is for what is specified on the warrant."

"In late June 2012, police applied for a warrant to search Joubert's parents' home. The warrant application sought permission to search for several categories of evidence including: "[a]ny and all computers or related storage devices and media"; "[a]ny and all cameras . . . including cassette tapes, VCR/VHS tapes"; and "[a]ny and all photographs, electronic images, and videos of minors/ juveniles/ youth/ youth groups that Robert Joubert has or may have had contact with."
-- United States Court of Appeals For the First Circuit
-- No. 14-1259
-- Appellee, vs ROBERT JOUBERT, Defendant, Appellant.

Now, what are you babbling about?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-22   13:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#14)

"Are you admitting they were granted a warrant without demonstrating probable cause?"

Not I. You were the one who said "usually".

See my post #17. Now explain to me why you think the police were looking for something else and "found" the VHS tape.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-22   13:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite, Pridie.Nones (#17) (Edited)

[Deleted to make ccn.]

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-24   2:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite, Pridie.Nones (#18)

[nolu chan #15] "The search is for what is specified on the warrant." ... The reviewing court may only look within the four corners of the affidavit filed with the request for the warrant to find the alleged probable cause.

[misterwhite #17] "Now, what are you babbling about?"

I was babbling about the affidavit and what was, and was not, in it. I was talking about the requirement that the issuing magistrate must find the alleged probable cause within the four corners of the affidavit, to the exclusion of all other sources.

Prior law:

From 1999, before Chief Judge Torruella. The same Chief Judge Torruella.

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/176/565/596769/

United States, Appellee, v. Robert A. Vigeant, Defendant, Appellant, 176 F.3d 565 (1st Cir. 1999)

Before TORRUELLA, Chief Judge, CAMPBELL, Senior Circuit Judge, and STAHL, Circuit Judge.

STAHL, Circuit Judge.

24 Probable Cause

25 Vigeant argues that the affidavit offered in support of the application for a warrant to search his house at Newport Lane did not demonstrate probable cause. We agree.

26 We review the question of probable cause de novo, see Ornelas v. United States, 517 U.S. 690, 699, 116 S.Ct. 1657, 134 L.Ed.2d 911 (1996), assessing the information provided in the four corners of the affidavit supporting the warrant application, see United States v. Khounsavanh, 113 F.3d 279, 283 & n. 1 (1st Cir.1997). The information provided must "warrant a man of reasonable caution in the belief that an offense has been or is being committed." Brinegar v. United States, 338 U.S. 160, 175-76, 69 S.Ct. 1302, 93 L.Ed. 1879 (1949) (internal quotation marks omitted). "Probability is the touchstone." Khounsavanh, 113 F.3d at 283. "Probable cause exists when the affidavit upon which a warrant is founded demonstrates in some trustworthy fashion the likelihood that an offense has been committed...." United States v. Schaefer, 87 F.3d 562, 565 (1st Cir.1996) (internal quotation marks omitted). "[M]ere suspicion, rumor, or strong reason to suspect [wrongdoing]" are not sufficient. United States v. Han, 74 F.3d 537, 541 (4th Cir.1996) (citation omitted).

27 We will limit our inquiry to whether there was probable cause to believe that Vigeant had committed the crime of laundering drug proceeds in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1956, as alleged in the affidavit. We assume for present purposes that there was probable cause that the evidence (in the form of bank records) of such a crime would be found at 24 Newport Road. See United States v. Zayas-Diaz, 95 F.3d 105, 110-11 (1st Cir.1996) (A "warrant application must demonstrate probable cause to believe that a particular person has committed a crime--'the commission element'--and that enumerated evidence relevant to the probable criminality likely is located at the place to be searched--'the "nexus" element.' ") (emphasis in original). We hold that the "commission" element of the probable cause inquiry was not satisfied, for three reasons: (1) there is no link, temporal or otherwise, between the alleged drug dealing and the bank activity that took place more than six months later; (2) the banking and investment activity was not itself of a character sufficient to establish that the "proceeds of some form of unlawful activity," 18 U.S.C. § 1956, were involved; and (3) the conclusory statements of the affiant that might otherwise have helped create probable cause are entirely without factual support.

28 Links to Drug Activity. In total, the affidavit states that Vigeant was involved in at least one drug transaction that took place two years before the warrant application was submitted and six months before the allegedly suspicious financial transactions. This information was based on the word of a confidential informant, whose reliability and credibility is neither supported nor referred to in the affidavit. There are no "self-authenticating" details, such as extensive description, that would suggest the report was not simply made up. See Zayas-Diaz, 95 F.3d at 111. Nor is there any indication that affiant Botelho had other information independently corroborating the CI's information so as to bolster the lack of a showing of reliability. See Gates, 462 U.S. at 233. Indeed, the government's failure to indict Vigeant along with Vigneau suggests that the government had insufficient evidence of drug dealing activity on Vigeant's part. In any case, at the suppression hearing, the district court aptly pointed out that there was virtually no evidence of a continuing pattern of drug transactions.

29 Even if there were such evidence in the affidavit, there is simply no connection between the alleged drug activity (and any proceeds therefrom) and the banking transactions. There was a significant temporal gap between the two events. The amounts deposited were not similar to those involved in the drug transaction in which the CI had participated in 1995, nor to the numbers in the "drug ledger" next to Vigeant's initials. The affidavit itself says that the drug distribution conspiracy in which Vigeant was supposed to have played a part "terminated in or about December 1995"--well before the deposits alleged to be layering. Thus, we conclude that the government was unable to identify with factual particulars any illicit source that might cast doubt on otherwise legal 1996 transactions.

30 Banking and Investment Transactions. As we noted above, the alleged laundering itself took place six months after the meager evidence of past drug trafficking and well after the affidavit itself says the Vigneau conspiracy terminated. Absent any link between the drug activity and the banking transactions, the activity suggesting laundering comprised (1) the fact that the defendant made a deposit of small bills in a bank account, the bulk of which he moved on the same day to another bank account within the same bank, (2) the fact that Vigeant was not employed outside his two businesses, and (3) the "fact"--which later proved untrue--that the defendant had not filed tax returns for 1995 and 1996. The affidavit does not aver that Vigeant tried to hide any of the 1996 transactions. It does not say what steps, if any, the government took to establish the source of the funds. In the absence of any link to an illicit source, see supra, the only material fact alleged in the affidavit relative to the nature of the banking transactions themselves that has a suspicious cast is the reference to "small bills." While somewhat suspicious, this single factor is inadequate, either alone or taken in light of the other allegation, to establish probable cause that the funds were the proceeds of unlawful activity under the money laundering statute.

31 The fact that Vigeant subsequently invested a portion of the money in a boat and real estate nudges us no closer to the conclusion that "probable criminality" occurred. For one thing, like the banking activity, there were no allegations that suggest the purchases were made with the proceeds of unlawful activity. Second, activity of this type could be consistent with legitimate business that might be transacted by a company named Versatile Investment Group; that is, legitimacy is at least as reasonable an inference from the allegations as is criminal activity. For these reasons, we do not see how this information makes more probable the conclusion that money laundering occurred. As we have said, probability is the touchstone, and here there is no more than a remote, speculative possibility that the Vigeant affidavit evidenced money laundering activity.

32 Agent's Conclusions. There are, of course, the conclusory statements of the affiant Botelho that the activity described constituted "layering" and that the business accounts were for "front companies." Normally, where there is evidence to support the conclusions of an experienced officer, we accord those conclusions some weight. See United States v. Hoffman, 832 F.2d 1299, 1306 (1st. Cir.1987). Here, we find no evidence that supports any part of the officer's conclusion. He does not, for example, indicate whether he sought to find some legitimate benefit for breaking the transaction into two transactions. He does not claim that Vigeant tried to hide the nature of these transactions. He does not argue that Vigeant attempted to structure the 1996 deposits in order to evade reporting requirements (with which Vigeant in fact complied). He indicates no investigative steps that brought him to the conclusion that Vigeant's businesses were "front companies," such as monitoring Vigeant's activity (or inactivity), even though the agents had conducted extensive surveillance of Vigeant's home. Nor does the government--below or on appeal--offer any evidence or investigation in this regard. Indeed, the district court wryly concluded that the affidavit was "not loaded with facts to support" the idea that Vigeant's businesses were "front companies." In sum, Botelho's unsupported conclusions are not entitled to any weight in the probable cause determination. See Gates, 462 U.S. at 239 ("Sufficient information must be presented to the magistrate to allow that official to determine probable cause; his action cannot be a mere ratification of the bare conclusions of others."); Aguilar v. Texas, 378 U.S. 108, 113-14, 84 S.Ct. 1509, 12 L.Ed.2d 723 (1964) (affidavit that provides affiant's conclusions without also providing some underlying factual circumstances is equivalent to the "bare bones" affidavits rejected in, inter alia, Nathanson v. United States, 290 U.S. 41, 54 S.Ct. 11, 78 L.Ed. 159 (1933)).

33 For the three reasons stated above, we conclude that the affidavit failed to establish probable cause to search 24 Newport Lane for evidence of money laundering. Cf. Gates, 462 U.S. at 236 (requiring that affidavit include particularized facts indicating that a search "would uncover evidence of wrongdoing ")(emphasis added).

There is nothing in the affidavit in Joubert about pictures or photographs or video of any sexual nature.

The witness statements about pictures/photographs/video from every relevant paragraph follows:

11. On 03/27/2012 SA. MacDonald interviewed David Hoyt, owner/operator of USA Training Center, Newington, NH (formerly Home Run USA). [...] Hoyt related that some parents had complained that Joubert had photographed players at a swimming pool, while the team was on a road trip to Florida. [snip]

15. On 03/28/2012 SA. MacDonald and Det. Sgt. Cryan interviewed Joubert at the YPD. [...] Joubert's response to questions regarding him photographing players during a Florida trip caused further suspicion. Joubert's responses were evasive, vague, and unresponsive to the questions. [snip]

17. On 03/30/2012, SA. MacDonald and Det. Sgt. Cryan interviewed Sharon Coppinger at the YPD. [...] Coppinger reported that her husband, on a subsequent date, witnessed Joubert taking video of players at a hotel swimming pool while on a baseball trip to Florida in 2010. [...] This incident was reported to David Hoyt at USA training center.

33. On 06/13/2012, SA. MacDonald and Inv. Putney interviewed a male with initials of KH, age 20, at the Concord Police Department. KH told investigators that he met and began associating with Joubert when he was 7 to 9 years old (grades 4th and 5th), circa 1998-2000. [...] KH provided several photographs of him and Robert Joubert during this time period. [snip]

40. MT disclosed that Robert Joubert sexually assaulted him hundreds of times while he was a young boy. The abuse occurred at 54 Jennings Drive (Joubert's apartment) and at 50 Allison Street. Prior to our conversations, MT stated that he had not told anyone of the abuse. MT told us that Joubert took pictures of him playing sports, fishing, and at the beach and other locations.

43. On 06/20/2012, SA. MacDonald interviewed John Brescia, a representative of the Exeter, NH Youth Baseball. Brescia was familiar with Robert Joubert from the USA Training Center in Newington (NH). Brescia advised that Joubert had, (as recently as 2009) been observed photographing juvenile players at a NH ball field. Brescia advised that in the fall of 2011, he observed Robert Joubert coaching a southern Maine baseball team.

46. On 06/21/2012 SA. MacDonald interviewed Terry Hopper, a coach and representative of Exeter, (NH) Youth Baseball. Hopper advised that approximately four years ago he observed Robert Joubert at a Rochester, NH baseball complex. Hopper stated that Joubert photographed juvenile members of his (Hoppers') Exeter (NH) based baseball team at the Roger Allen baseball tournament. Hopper observed Joubert using a "flipup" phone photographing players from a distance. [snip]

The affidavit contains no mention of pictures or photographs of a sexual nature. There is only hearsay video evidence of a non-sexual nature. The only evident question asked about child pornography is shown in the statement of SJ (Joubert's non-biological son) provided below.

At ¶11, the witness related hearsay that he was told about Joubert taking photographed players at a swimming pool in Florida. At ¶15, the FBI and a detective interview Joubert and give unsupported characterizations and conclusions. No quotes or actual record of the conversation is made available. At ¶17, Mrs. Coppinger relates hearsay from her husband about video at a swimming pool in Florida. There is no evidence that the alleged witness, Mr. Coppinger was interviewed. Mrs. Coppinger relates that the incident was "related" to David Hoyt, see ¶15. No information on who or how it was "related" to Hoyt, but Hoyt said he received a report of photographing, not video. At paragraph ¶40, "MT disclosed" on date unknown to persons unknown, what he allegedly disclosed. Joubert allegedly took pictures of MT playing sports, fishing, and at the beach and other locations. At ¶43, (as recently as 2009) Joubert was observed photographing juvenile players at a NH ball field. That fall, Joubert was observed coaching a southern Maine baseball team. At ¶46, Joubert photographed juvenile members of his (Hoppers') Exeter (NH) based baseball team at the Roger Allen baseball tournament. Hopper observed Joubert using a "flipup" phone photographing players from a distance.

There is precisely nothing to establish probable cause that sexual photographic evidence existed, or that any video evidence of a sexual nature existed, beyond paragraphs 54 and 55. There is only one hearsay claim of any video, contradicted by another hearsay claim. The existence of video evidence was pure conjecture.

54. Based on my training and experience, and supported by the actions of the suspect in this investigation, I know that persons engaged in the molestation and exploitation of the minors often maintain possession and/or control of physical or electronic documents pertaining to their victims and other juveniles.

Persons, some persons, not necessarily this person. Often, not always, some do, some don't. He does not say how he knows this, he just does. Hell, it was unknown if Joubert was maintaining any documents showing any unlawful activity. Nor is there any evidence of where other than the detective's unsupported conjecture. We are taking a guess. It was a good guess, but normally probable cause is required. This looks like the scumbag exception.

The affiant's unsupported suppositions are to be afforded no weight. There is nothing there to support what the affiant claims to know. No actions of the suspect provide probable cause to believe there are any videos or child pornography in the instant residence.

55. Based on my training and experience and the information explained in this affidavit I believe that evidence of the crime(s) of Felonious Sexual Assault exists. I believe the aforementioned evidence exists in the possession, control, care and/or custody of Robert Joubert. I believe that the evidence exists in the form of, but not limited to; physical and electronic documents and other property. The evidence may confirm or dispel Robert Joubert's background (employment, resume claims, sport/coaching qualification and credentials), the allegations made against him involving juveniles, his travels, his relationship(s) with minors/juveniles and the victims mentioned in this affidavit, confirm his relationship with already identified victims, and identify other potential (yet unknown) victims.

There is nothing to support the affiant's claim other than his asserted training and experience. He just knows. He does not identify what incident of Felonious Sexual Assault is supposedly to be shown by the evidence hoped to be found.

Gimme a warrant because this guy is a scumbag and I really, really believe I can find some evidence if you just let me search his stuff.

Also worth looking at is paragraph 28-30. The police already had prior access to the computer and hard drive. Nothing is said if they looked at the hard drive at that time.

28. 0n 06/05/2012 SJ delivered a computer. tower (with hard drive) to the Concord Police Department, which he claimed belonged to Robert Joubert. The tower contained a hard drive. The computer tower is described as a Compaq computer tower serial number U149BBGZA404, containing a hard drive. SJ said that he suspected that the hard drive contained incriminating information. SJ went on to explain that he recently (within approximately a week) assisted Robert Joubert in moving from an apartment in Lee, NH to 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester, NH. The residence at 144 Fairmont Ave is the owned and occupied by Robert Joubert's parents, Real and Simone Joubert. SJ said that his father was.anxious because he was being investigated by the FBI.

29. SJ advised that his father asked him how to destroy the hard drive on this computer. SJ said that his father seemed very concerned about destroying andlor cleaning the hard drive from the computer. He told SJ that he had the hard drive "cleaned". SJ stated to investigators that he believed, that having a computer cleaned, may not have erased everything on it. Robert Joubert claimed to have had "client" and financial information on the hard drive, that he did not want getting out.

30. SJ said that while at 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester; Robert Joubert tore apart the computer tower, trying to remove the hard drive and sought SJ's advice in doing so. According to SJ, Robert Joubert removed a few components within tower to include a CD drive and floppy drive. SJ strongly suspected, based on Robert's actions, demeanor, and past history with NT and himself, that there was child pornography or some other incriminating information in the computer.

Wow. "SJ strongly suspected, based on Robert's actions, demeanor, and past history with NT and himself, that there was child pornography or some other incriminating information in the computer."

And no comment on whether they looked or found anything. I can't help noting that, when protecting data, I always leave the hard drive and remove the CD and floppy drives and smash them so nobody can retrieve data off them.

What had SJ actually said before the detective translated it to his own wishes.

Doc 12 at 8:

(A) by SJ:

Q . . . what do you think was on the computer?

A I believe that there is probably child pornography on that computer.

Q Why do you say that?

A Because I know what he has done in the past, and I know that these kids are all under the age of 12.

Doc 12 at 8-9:

Page 47 of the transcript includes the following questions by one or more of the officers and the following answers by SJ (emphasis added)

Q Can I just go back to the computer again a little bit?

A Sure.

Q You said your intuition, I guess, is that there could be child porn on it.

A Um hmm (affirmative response).

Q Did you ever see any child porn [indiscernible]?

A No, I never saw any. No, I didn’t. That’s purely an assumption on my point.[sic]

Q Okay. Magazines that you saw at the house, they were all adult?

A Yeah. They were like Playboy. Yeah, they were.

Q They were adult?

A Yeah.

Q Nothing underage?

A Nope.

Q Juvenile type?

A No. I remember looking at them.

He saw no child porn. That was pure assumption. He saw nothing underage. He saw all adult stuff, Playboy type stuff. Or as the affiant translated it, "SJ strongly suspected, based on Robert's actions, demeanor, and past history with NT and himself, that there was child pornography or some other incriminating information in the computer."

Among many convictions, witness SJ was convicted of forgery. The detective did not give that information to the magistrate. Robert Joubert's prior arrests were included at ¶6 (1994), ¶7 (1999), ¶8 (2003), ¶9 (2004), but the fact that there were no convictions was omitted.

Doc 77 at 20-22:

The court does agree with Joubert that the affidavit should have mentioned SJ’s forgery conviction. While Detective Ford’s omission of this information does not appear to be intentional, it was quite possibly reckless. As this court has previously explained, “‘recklessness may be inferred’” if the omitted information “consisted of ‘facts that any reasonable person would know that a judge would want to know when deciding whether to issue a warrant.’” United States v. Tanguay, 907 F. Supp. 2d 165, 177 (D.N.H. 2012) (quoting Burke v. Town of Walpole, 405 F.3d 66, 82 (1st Cir. 2005)). A conviction for a crime of dishonesty such as forgery “is unquestionably a fact that any reasonable officer would consider critical” to determining an informant’s credibility. Id. Indeed, Detective Ford testified at the suppression hearing that he would ordinarily inform the magistrate of an informant’s forgery conviction when applying for a warrant (although he was less sure that he would include such information in a warrant affidavit), demonstrating his awareness that a magistrate would want such information. He offered no explanation for his failure to do that in this case, apart from speculating that—despite his awareness that SJ had a criminal record—he had either not viewed that record before swearing out his affidavit, or simply “browsed” it. In such circumstances, Detective Ford’s failure to apprise the magistrate of the forgery conviction might well be characterized as reckless (although that is not necessarily a foregone conclusion, cf. id. at 182-83 (rejecting argument that officer acted recklessly by not performing criminal records check on informant and including results in her warrant affidavit)).

Even if the omission of SJ’s forgery conviction from the affidavit was reckless, however, suppression of the fruits of the search is not warranted. Where information has been recklessly omitted from a warrant affidavit, “suppression should be ordered only if the warrant application, . . . clarified by disclosure of previously withheld material, no longer demonstrates probable cause.” United States v. Stewart, 337 F.3d 103, 105 (1st Cir. 2003). Here, even if the fact of SJ’s forgery conviction had been disclosed to the magistrate, as it should have been, the warrant affidavit would still demonstrate probable cause for the search. Joubert suggests otherwise, arguing that the forgery conviction so undermines SJ’s credibility that his claim that Joubert lived at the Fairmont Avenue property—in Joubert’s telling, the sole “nexus” between Joubert and that address—could not be believed, thus depriving the magistrate of probable cause to believe that evidence would be found there. But, as the court noted at oral argument, at least one other fact related in the affidavit established Joubert’s presence at the Fairmont Avenue property, namely, that the recorded conversation between SJ and Joubert took place there.

"While Detective Ford’s omission of this information does not appear to be intentional, [cough, cough] it was quite possibly reckless."

Or, the detective did not mention his witness's forgery conviction because he was confident the judge would not turn a scumbag loose because of his transgression. He would do it now, get the evidence, and tell his boss "oops" later.

There are other revelations that show Joubert's presence at Fenway Park. It does not show, or provide probable cause to believe, that he lived at Fenway Park. The scumbag exception covers all.

The result is good. Robert Joubert is off the street. I have a quibble with how the result was achieved.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-24   3:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#18)

[nolu chan #12] Usually that probable cause thingee is needed before the search and seizure to obtain the warrant.

[mister white #13] Usually? So even you admit sometimes it's not needed before.

[nolu chan #14] Are you admitting they were granted a warrant without demonstrating probable cause?"

[misterwhite #18] Not I. You were the one who said "usually".

Usually, a warrant is needed. Not with exigent circumstances. That does not apply in this case. They needed to demonstrate probable cause. Or they needed the justice system to invoke the scumbag exception.

[misterwhite #18] See my post #17. Now explain to me why you think the police were looking for something else and "found" the VHS tape.

The police were not looking for anything in particular. It was a fishing expedition. There was no probable cause that a VHS tape was there, or had ever been there. There was nothing but speculation that any evidence searched for ever existed. No one witness gave information that they had ever seen child pornograpic images or saw such matter being made. As close as it came was the alleged seeing of an adult magazine like Playboy.

The property inventory lists 45 boxes of stuff. They took clothing, birth certificates, hockey pucks, tax documents, baseballs, financial records, and the list goes on. You tell me the probable cause to search for a VHS tape of unknown existence, content or location.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-24   3:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nolu chan (#21)

We were discussing the nexus to interstate commerce. I said there was sufficient probable cause to get the feds involved. Now you're shifting the probable cause argument to the search warrant itself?

Law enforcement officials learned that Joubert often photographed and videotaped his young charges. His 36-year-old non-biological son reported that Joubert lived at Joubert's parents' home. The search warrant of his parents' home specifically listed "VCR/VHS tapes".

We went over this already. I'm done repeating myself.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-24   9:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite, y'all (#22)

We were discussing the nexus to interstate commerce. I said there was sufficient probable cause to get the feds involved.

Whereas, constitutionality speaking, there is no reason the feds should be involved. -- The commerce clause does not give the feds the power to act as national police.

We went over this already. I'm done repeating myself.

Yep, you should give up trying to defend federal infringements of power.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   9:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nolu chan (#20)

"The affidavit contains no mention of pictures or photographs of a sexual nature. There is only hearsay video evidence of a non-sexual nature."

Once again, you're putting the cart before the horse. You're insisting on proof of child porn before the police can search for that proof.

Based on the testimony of his victims, police had probable cause to search for proof. A judge was convinced they had probable cause and signed a warrant. The warrant specifically included "VCR/VHS tapes".

Give it a rest.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-24   9:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu chan (#19)

Government is pure, brutal force. You don't have to water down all the nice things about government that are supported by a court of law. What is written is necessarily broke in America.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-24   22:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#22)

Law enforcement officials learned that Joubert often ... videotaped his young charges.

Nothithstanding your vivid imagination,

The affidavit contains not one statement provided by a person claiming to have witnessed Joubert take a video recording of anyone under any circumstances.

The affidavit contains not one statement provided a person claiming to have witnessed Joubert in possession of a video recording of anyone or anything.

If you know of such a statement, quote it.

His 36-year-old non-biological son reported that Joubert lived at Joubert's parents' home.

Quote the imaginary statement with that claim. SJ made no statement that Robert Joubert lived there.

Det. Ford stated that allegedly, "SJ told me that Robert Joubert is generally sleeping on the couch at 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester, NH." Notably, SJ did not live there and this cannot be of SJ's own, personal knowledge. Hearsay or conjecture at best, from a convicted forger. Additionally, generally crashing on the couch someplace does not establish that place as a residence then, or more importantly, at the time the search warrant was requested. The affidavit notes no effort to verify the conjecture or hearsay of the convicted forger SJ. The Court claimed, "at least one other fact related in the affidavit established Joubert's presence at the Fairmont Avenue property, namely, that the recorded conversation between SJ and Joubert took place there." Presence at a particular time cannot establish residence in a parent's home. If "presence" afforded probable cause to search, it would afford probable cause to search every place Robert Joubert had been present.

The search warrant of his parents' home specifically listed "VCR/VHS tapes".

It also specifically listed only one specific crime, one not mentioned in the affidavit.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-25   18:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#22)

[misterwhite #22] We were discussing the nexus to interstate commerce. I said there was sufficient probable cause to get the feds involved. Now you're shifting the probable cause argument to the search warrant itself?

No, we were discussing the search warrant. The probable cause, including the nexus thingee, must be established by whatever is within the four corners of the supporting affidavit for the search warrant. As you are aware, the VHS tape was not a gift from the gods.

As Chief Judge Torruella wrote and as I quoted:

United States v Vigeant, 176 F3d 565, ¶27 (1st Cir 1999)

(A "warrant application must demonstrate probable cause to believe that a particular person has committed a crime--'the commission element'--and that enumerated evidence relevant to the probable criminality likely is located at the place to be searched--'the "nexus" element.' ") (emphasis in original). We hold that the "commission" element of the probable cause inquiry was not satisfied, for three reasons: (1) there is no link, temporal or otherwise, between the alleged drug dealing and the bank activity that took place more than six months later; (2) the banking and investment activity was not itself of a character sufficient to establish that the "proceeds of some form of unlawful activity," 18 U.S.C. § 1956, were involved; and (3) the conclusory statements of the affiant that might otherwise have helped create probable cause are entirely without factual support.

The search was requested and carried out by state authorities pursuant to a claim of violation of a state criminal statute. The search and seizure of the evidence was not to prove any interstate involvement or alleged crime occurring outside of New Hampshire.

At the time of the search, there was zero claimed evidence of interstate commerce. The Feds had no jurisdiction to execute the search and they did not request it or execute it.

The investigation was conducted by Special Agent (SA) Thomas MacDonald of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI - Portland ME Office), and Investigator (Inv.) Mark Putney (Manchester Police Dept. - Retired) of the Hillsborough County Attorney's Office. This was prior to the known existence of any relevant VHS tape.

The affidavit contains not one statement provided a person claiming to have witnessed Joubert take a video recording of anyone under any circumstances.

The affidavit contains not one statement provided a person claiming to have witnessed Joubert in possession of a video recording of anyone or anything.

The affidavit contains not one statement provided a person to have witnessed Joubert in possession of child pornography.

The affidavit contains not one statement provided a person claiming to have witnessed Joubert in possession of any images with sexual content except one person who said he saw an adult Playboy-type magazine.

As Chief Judge Torruella noted, a "warrant application must demonstrate probable cause to believe that a particular person has committed a crime--'the commission element'--and that enumerated evidence relevant to the probable criminality likely is located at the place to be searched--'the "nexus" element.' "

In the Affidavit, at paragraph 55, Det. Ford stated:

55. Based on my training and experience and the information explained in this affidavit I believe that evidence of the crime(s) of Felonious Sexual Assault exists.

I asked what, within the affidavit, established probable cause to believe that a VHS tape, relevant to the alleged probable criminality, was located at the place to be searched -- the required "nexus" element for lawfully granting a search warrant.

The Affidavit cited a New Hampshire state crime, RSA 632-A:3, "Felonious Criminal Assault." The relevant evidence of the Warrant, as issued, was what was authorized to be searched for. The probable cause purportedly established within the four corners of the affidavit was for evidence relevant to "Felonious Sexual Assault" RSA 632-A:3, occurring within the State of New Hampshire. The Warrant inexplicably specified Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault RSA 632-A:2(III), and other Sexual crimes."

The "other Sexual crimes" were specified neither in the Affidavit nor Warrant, but Judge Spath found probable cause to search for unspecified evidence of the unspecified crimes.

The Property Report Form for the seized property lists "Offense: AFSA", Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault, the crime listed in the warrant but not mentioned in the Affidavit.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-25   18:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#24)

[misterwhite #24] Based on the testimony of his victims, police had probable cause to search for proof. A judge was convinced they had probable cause and signed a warrant. The warrant specifically included "VCR/VHS tapes".

There was no testimony of any victim in the affidavit. Det. Ford swore that the unsworn statements of others, made about unsworn statements of interviewees, were true and correct to the best of his knowledge. He swore that he did not know that the unsworn statements about unsworn statements were false. That is accurate if Det. Ford knows nothing at all, even if the investigators knew the statements to be false.

When challenged, you are notably unable to cite the testimony that provides probable cause to search for a VCR/VHS tape, or clothing, birth certificates, hockey pucks, tax documents, baseballs, financial records, etc.

The criminal activity alleged by Det. Ford in the affidavit is contained in paragraph 55.

55. Based on my training and experience and the information explained in this affidavit I believe that evidence of the crime(s) of Felonious Sexual Assault exists.

"Felonious Sexual Assault" and no other criminal activity is identified, and in his affidavit, Det. Ford swore that the his search would be for evidence of Felonious Sexual Assault.

The actual Warrant, signed by Judge M. Kristin Spath, reads:

Probable cause for believing that there is evidence of the crime(s) of Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault RSA 632-A:2(III) and other Sexual crimes....

The issuing Judge finds probable cause for a search pursuant to probable cause for crime(s) not specified in the Affidavit or Warrant.

The affiant specified Felonious Sexual Assault which is RSA 632-A:3, and the Judge found probable cause for the crime of Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault 632-A:2(III) and other Sexual crimes. The Affiant explicitly stated "Felonious Sexual Assault" and no other crime(s). The judge issued a Warrant to search pursuant to a crime other than the single crime specified in the Affidavit and for other crimes not specified in the Affidavit or Warrant.

How did the judge find probable cause to believe a crime not mentioned in the Affidavit had been committed and that the evidence was at a specified location?

The statute the Judge cited while finding probable cause to search:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxii/632-a/632-a-2.htm

TITLE LXII 
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 632-A
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RELATED OFFENSES Section 632-A:2 632-A:2 Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault. – [...] III. A person is guilty of aggravated felonious sexual assault when such person engages in a pattern of sexual assault against another person, not the actor's legal spouse, who is less than 16 years of age. The mental state applicable to the underlying acts of sexual assault need not be shown with respect to the element of engaging in a pattern of sexual assault. [...]

Such crime was not cited or mentioned in the affidavit of Det. Ford. The statute cited by Det Ford:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxii/632-a/632-a-3.htm

TITLE LXII
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 632-A
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RELATED OFFENSES

Section 632-A:3

    632-A:3 Felonious Sexual Assault. – A person is guilty of a class B felony
if such person:
    I. Subjects a person to sexual contact and causes serious personal injury to
the victim under any of the circumstances named in RSA 632-A:2; or
    II. Engages in sexual penetration with a person, other than his legal
spouse, who is 13 years of age or older and under 16 years of age where the age
difference between the actor and the other person is 4 years or more; or
    III. Engages in sexual contact with a person other than his legal spouse who
is under 13 years of age.
    IV. (a) Engages in sexual contact with the person, or causes the person to
engage in sexual contact on himself or herself in the presence of the actor,
when the actor is in a position of authority over the person and uses that
authority to coerce the victim to submit under any of the following circumstances:
          (1) When the actor has direct supervisory or disciplinary authority
over the victim by virtue of the victim being incarcerated in a correctional
institution, the secure psychiatric unit, or juvenile detention facility where
the actor is employed; or
          (2) When the actor is a probation or parole officer or a juvenile
probation and parole officer who has direct supervisory or disciplinary
authority over the victim while the victim is on parole or probation or under
juvenile probation.
       (b) Consent of the victim under any of the circumstances set forth in
this paragraph shall not be considered a defense.
       (c) For the purpose of this paragraph, "sexual contact'' means the
intentional touching of the person's sexual or intimate parts, including
genitalia, anus, breasts, and buttocks, where such contact, or the causing of
such contact, can reasonably be construed as being for the purpose of sexual
arousal or gratification of the person in the position of authority, or the
humiliation of the person being touched.
    V. Upon proof that the victim and defendant were intimate partners or family
or household members, as those terms are defined in RSA 631:2-b, III, a
conviction under this section shall be recorded as "Felonious Sexual
Assault--Domestic Violence.''

Source. 1975, 302:1. 1981, 415:4. 1985, 228:4. 1997, 220:3. 2003, 226:3, 4.
2006, 162:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2007. 2008, 334:9, eff. Jan. 1, 2009. 2010, 223:1,
eff. Jan. 1, 2011. 2014, 152:7, eff. Jan. 1, 2015.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-25   18:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tpaine, misterwhite (#23)

Whereas, constitutionality speaking, there is no reason the feds should be involved.

Note that the search warrant request and issuance was a State action and the warrant was issued by Judge M. Kristin Spath in the 6th Circuit Court, District Division Concord Court, New Hampshire. The requesting official was Det. Sean K. Ford of the Concord Police Department. The alleged crime in the affidavit was Felonious Sexual Assault NH RSA 632-A:3. The alleged crime for which the warrant was issued (not mentioned in the Affidavit) was Aggravated Felonious Sexual Assault NH RSA 632-A:3 "and other Sexual crimes" not specified in the Warrant or Affidavit.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-25   18:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan (#29)

Whereas, constitutionality speaking, there is no reason the feds should be involved.

Thanks for reposting my comment as misterwhite pretends he can't see it, to avoid answering.

It'll be interesting to see if he answers you..

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-25   19:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#29)

"Note that the search warrant request ..."

So noted. What's your point?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   10:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: nolu chan (#26)

"SJ told me that Robert Joubert is generally sleeping on the couch at 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester, NH." Notably, SJ did not live there ..."

"SJ went on to explain that he recently (within approximately a week) assisted Robert Joubert in moving from an apartment in Lee, NH to 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester, NH. The residence at 144 Fairmont Ave is the owned and occupied by Robert Joubert's parents, Real and Simone Joubert."

He moved from an apartment to his parents' house. But you're telling me he didn't "live" there because he slept on a couch?

He moved there. His computer was there. That's sufficient probable cause to search the place.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   10:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nolu chan (#28)

"There was no testimony of any victim in the affidavit. Det. Ford swore that the unsworn statements of others, made about unsworn statements of interviewees, were true and correct to the best of his knowledge."

"Officer! There's a man with a gun in the house holding my wife hostage!"

"OK. But how do I know that your unsworn statements about unsworn statements are true?

"What?!"

"Sorry. I'm not doing anything until I have actual proof that a man is in the house, that it's not his house, that he has a real, loaded gun, and that he's threatening your wife. All I have is your unsworn statement."

Hurry! Get a warrant!"

"Based on what? Your hysterical statement? nolu chan would rip me a new one if I used that as a basis for a warrant. I'm staying out here until I have proof."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   10:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite (#31)

So noted. What's your point?

One crime was alleged in the affidavit. In the issued warrant, the magistrate allegedly found, within the four corners of the affidavit, probable cause of a crime not mentioned in the affidavit, and probable cause to search for evidence of unidentified crimes.

My point would be to point out that you feign that you remain blissfully unaware of the point.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-26   22:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#32)

[mw #32] He moved there. His computer was there. That's sufficient probable cause to search the place.

Neither the computer tower nor its components were at the residence. Three weeks before the warrant was sought and granted, SJ had already taken (stolen) the computer tower with hard drive and other components and delivered the fruits of his crime to the police, and these were supposedly in police custody pending a search warrant. Of course, SJ's actions were allegedly independent and at no direction of any law enforcement agency. Cough.

As the computer tower with hard drive and other components were known to be located in custody at the police department, such could not be searched for at the residence.

Residence at a location is not probable cause to search said location. There must have been a crime, and there must be probable cause to believe specified evidence of the crime exists and can be found at the specified location.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

He moved his stuff there. SJ was incapable of asserting, of his own knowledge, that Joubert resided there. The police showed no attempt to verify SJ's conjecture, such as asking the owners.

Det. Ford stated that allegedly, "SJ told me that Robert Joubert is generally sleeping on the couch at 144 Fairmont Ave Manchester, NH."

Unless SJ was tucking Joubert in at night, this is conjecture. SJ was not there to witness whether Joubert slept on the couch. The claim that Joubert "generally" slept on the couch infers that sometimes he slept elsewhere.

The Court claimed, "at least one other fact related in the affidavit established Joubert's presence at the Fairmont Avenue property, namely, that the recorded conversation between SJ and Joubert took place there."

The existence of this statement by the Court indicates that the Court saw reason to give added support to the SJ conjecture. It is a grope to claim presence establishes residence.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-26   22:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: misterwhite (#33)

[misterwhite #24] Based on the testimony of his victims, police had probable cause to search for proof. A judge was convinced they had probable cause and signed a warrant. The warrant specifically included "VCR/VHS tapes".

[nolu chan #28] There was no testimony of any victim in the affidavit. Det. Ford swore that the unsworn statements of others, made about unsworn statements of interviewees, were true and correct to the best of his knowledge. He swore that he did not know that the unsworn statements about unsworn statements were false. That is accurate if Det. Ford knows nothing at all, even if the investigators knew the statements to be false.

When challenged, you are notably unable to cite the testimony that provides probable cause to search for a VCR/VHS tape, or clothing, birth certificates, hockey pucks, tax documents, baseballs, financial records, etc.

[misterwhite #33] "Officer! There's a man with a gun in the house holding my wife hostage!"

Further demonstrating your inability to cite the alleged "testimony" that provides probable cause to search for a VCR/VHS tape, or that anyone gave a statement saying that they saw Joubert take any video or in possession of any video recording of any nature.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-26   22:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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