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Title: Franklin Graham: Secularists have taken control of America
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Published: Feb 4, 2015
Author: Michael F. Haverluck
Post Date: 2015-02-13 14:14:58 by redleghunter
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Addressing the crowd at the Oklahoma State Evangelism Conference last week, world-renowned evangelist Franklin Graham admittedly took a different spin than his iconic father, Billy Graham, on the podium and criticized America, declaring that "secularists have taken control of our country." The president of the Billy Graham Evangelist Association admonished believers in America for standing by while godless, democratically appointed government officials rip the Christian foundation of the country out from under them. "Our country has changed, and we've got to take a stand," Graham exhorted the Oklahoma City crowd, according to The Christian Post. "We live in a secular society led by people that call themselves progressives. Secularists … have taken control of our country. And we have just sat back and it's happened. And we haven't even realized it's happened." Not my father's world Graham then said that he is not afraid to talk about many of the issues his father didn't typically address and critique, noting that the bulk of the senior Graham's ministry took place during a time before American society thoroughly divorced itself from God. He explained how Billy Graham's school days weren't riddled with fears that students would be punished for handing out Christian literature, forming Bible clubs or leading organized prayer. "Well, you say, 'Now Franklin, you father wouldn't get onto these subjects,'" insinuated Graham, who is also the president of Samaritan's Purse, a nonprofit Christian humanitarian organization. "Wait a second … My father, when he was going to school, they had a Bible in school. When he was going to school, they had the Ten Commandments on the wall. When he was going to school, you could pray in school, and the teachers would lead in those prayers." Since his father, the 92-year-old Billy Graham, grew up decades before God, Bible reading and prayer were removed from the public schools in 1963 — which is also the year that evolution replaced creation as the dominant teaching about the origins of man and the universe — the younger 62-year-old Graham argues that the changed times call for him to speak on the many moral issues that Christians now face on a daily basis. "The secularists and the humanists … you mention the name of Christ, they jump all over you," Graham contended. "I get jumped on all the time. I don't really care." Secularization infiltration Graham went on to argue that the secularization of society has long since extended beyond the schoolhouse gate, infiltrating virtually every facet of American society. Graham "It's all over the country," Graham insisted. "You have the secularists and the humanists who are wanting to deny that Jesus ever existed." Billy Graham's son then talked about the ironic twist that came about in the late 1980s and early 1990s — a time when the Cold War ended and hearts went cold to God, as secularism, socialism and communism entered into American education, society and politics full force. "When the Berlin wall came down, everybody said: 'We won,'" Graham remembered. "And secularism came. And secularism and communism are the same thing. They're godless. They're antichrist." Only One hope, not 12 Graham argues that America is not what it used to be, as it has turned its back on the Christian principles upon which it was founded. And as another presidential election draws near, he contends that conservative politicians aren't the answer. "America has changed and it's not coming back unless the Church takes a stand," Graham insisted. "Now I'm not talking about Baptists or Republicans or Tea Party … I have no confidence that any of these politicians or any party is going to turn this country around." In the midst of the current political frenzy taking place, with a dozen conservative prospective candidates promising that they can turn America around from its godless, destructive path, Graham promises that no politician can deliver the country from falling apart. "There is only one who can save — only one … Jesus," Graham added. "You see, Jesus is in the boat. All we have to do is call Him, call on His name." As godless policies and laws continue to work their way into American society — from God being ousted from the public schools in 1963, to Roe v. Wade ushering in legalized abortion in 1973, to the floodgate of same-sex "marriage" opening in 2004, to the normalization of homosexual behavior in the military in 2011 — Graham warns that America will be judged for its disobedience and repudiation of God's Word. "There are storms that are coming," Graham foretold. "The only hope for this country is for men and women of God to stand up and take a stand."
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#93. To: VxH, GarySpFc, liberator, CZ82 (#33)
It means the Virginia Act was not a secular skeptic manifesto. Let's look at it: An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom Enacted by the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia January 16, 1786 Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor, whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporary rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow-citizens he has a natural right; that it tends only to corrupt the principles of that religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of wor[l]dly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion, and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgement; and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them: Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities. And though we well know that this assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding assemblies, constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act to be irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present, or to narrow its operation such act will be an infringement of natural right. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
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That may be true. But what does it say about Focus on the Family when it mentions Thomas Jefferson multiple times on its website - but not the Virginia Act for Establishing religious freedom? Does the herd there not recognize the natural right of the Individual to establish the relationship between themselves and their Creator without collective coercion?
Why was that? The same reason some people of the era used "Divine Providence". They were serious people regarding Exodus 20:7. Some viewed using Jesus Christ as reserved for Gospel preaching and prayer. They were very reserved invoking the Name of Almighty God in the affairs of men. Many as Gary has pointed out were not as reserved. Don't know if you read the tome on Washington's faith called "Sacred Fire." In it there is much discussion on how Washington in his conduct of letters and prayer and worship followed the guidelines in the English Book of Prayer. Here's a sample found in his prayer book: Almighty God, and most merciful father, who didst command the children of Israel to offer a daily sacrifice to thee, that thereby they might glorify and praise thee for thy protection both night and day; receive, O Lord, my morning sacrifice which I now offer up to thee; I yield thee humble and hearty thanks that thou has preserved me from the dangers of the night past, and brought me to the light of this day, and the comforts thereof, a day which is consecrated to thine own service and for thine own honor. Let my heart, therefore, Gracious God, be so affected with the glory and majesty of it, that I may not do mine own works, but wait on thee, and discharge those weighty duties thou requirest of me; and since thou art a God of pure eyes, and wilt be sanctified in all who draw near unto thee, who doest not regard the sacrifice of fools, nor hear sinners who tread in thy courts, pardon, I beseech thee, my sins, remove them from thy presence, as far as the east is from the west, and accept of me for the merits of thy son Jesus Christ, that when I come into thy temple, and compass thine altar, my prayers may come before thee as incense; and as thou wouldst hear me calling upon thee in my prayers, so give me grace to hear thee calling on me in thy word, that it may be wisdom, righteousness, reconciliation and peace to the saving of my soul in the day of the Lord Jesus. Grant that I may hear it with reverence, receive it with meekness, mingle it with faith, and that it may accomplish in me, Gracious God, the good work for which thou has sent it. Bless my family, kindred, friends and country, be our God & guide this day and for ever for his sake, who lay down in the Grave and arose again for us, Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
I posted the Act. No mention of Muslims or Ghandi.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Well if that explanation makes you happy that's nice. But I don't buy it. I'll stick with Jefferson's explanation.
Or Jesus. Got Deism? The Act is consistent with Free Masonry. What is located 2 miles North of the Jefferson Memorial, and 1 mile North of the White House?
...In recent years, board members have been locked in an ideological battle between a bloc of conservatives who question Darwin’s theory of evolution and believe the Founding Fathers were guided by Christian principles, and a handful of Democrats and moderate Republicans who have fought to preserve the teaching of Darwinism and the separation of church and state. The really neat thing about this is that the textbooks Texas decides to use also determines the books rest of the nation uses.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Deism was far different at the time of the revolution than what we see today, and it certainly was not atheism.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Jefferson offered the opinion later in life. He assumed others believed what he had in mind. One opinion of many. Perhaps we should ask what the Act addressed? It was denominations. The Act ensured no one "church" government would be established. He reflects such in the Danbury Baptist letters. The body of evidence of the plurality of the founders is against you. If you want to canonize Jefferson your founding pope have at it. You have a lot of company in the Belt Way. The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.---Thomas Jefferson "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
LOL more CT deism. You have company with others here on the vast Masonic conspiracy.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Now tell me -- exactly WHAT writings of his "inspired revolutions"?? Answer: NONE. Again, Jefferson more or less spoke for the ENTIRE GROUP. Whose writings and big idea DID inspire others?: St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. BINGO. Look up what each of them did. Then compare them to TJ. Thomas Jeffeson does not nearly represent all the Founders; Moreover, the ONLY reason the Lefties ONLY mention TJ out of all the FFs is because of his oft misquoted, misunderstood, invented phrase, "Separation of Church and State." Lastly, you asserted that the 'Focus on the Family' "write Jefferson out of American history." Bogus. The above saved me some "ink." Bravo.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Nobody said it was atheism.
You and the rest of the herd figured out why Ho Chi Minh's revolutionary declaration was inspired by the "Philosophical" document Jefferson drafted?
Ho Chi Mihn was inspired by being rejected by the US government.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
And it was far different than the Deism we see today.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
I don't think it's a conspiracy. Cecil B. DeMill's explanation of why he made the 10 Commandments isn't about "conspiracy" -- it's about FREEDOM. Freedom from state-established religions who usurp their temporal authority from the One God. In that film, Moses is clearly depicted as a prototypical Freemason.
Evidently there's a little more to the Fire that was in Ho Chi's mind. On August 30, 1945, Hồ Chí Minh invited several people to contribute their ideas toward his Proclamation of Independence. OSS officers met repeatedly with Ho Chi Minh and other Viet Minh officers during late August and Archimedes Patti claims to have listened to Ho read to him a draft of the Proclamation which he believed sounded very similar to the American Declaration of Independence.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Independence_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_Vietnam
God and Government. It is clear from the Declaration that Jefferson did not envision the separation of God from government. Indeed, he believed governments owed allegiance to God. Inscribed in the marble of his memorial in Washington, D. C., is the quotation: “God who gave us life, gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation remain secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God?” Although Jefferson was in France as ambassador when Congress ratified the First Amendment (1789), he certainly agreed that “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion; nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” This is not the “wall of separation” he is said to have espoused. The intent of the First Amendment is clearly that the federal government was not to establish a national religion in the English manner. It is interesting that five colonies had state religions when they ratified this amendment. It was actually in a fit of pique over what the Baptist association in Danbury, Connecticut, had said about his beliefs that Jefferson wrote of the “wall of separation between Church and State.” He never used the phrase outside the context of this private letter, and other statements indicate that Jeffersonian “wall” should protect the state government from federal interference with regard to religion. Jefferson left ample evidence of his views about church and state cooperation. He established a department of religion in the University of Virginia. He even proposed that students be required to attend church and refrain from swearing. In a treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians, Jefferson and Congress paid for the services of a missionary and a church building with tax funds. Congress did this more than once, being careful not to favor one religious group over another. The central philosophy in this was that no religious view or group should be given legal sanction at the expense of another view or group. He said, “I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another” (Padover, 119). Besides maintaining that such action would violate the natural law right of free religion, Jefferson believed it would be disadvantageous for religion, since each sect is a check on the others.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Self-evidently NOT: "All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free. The Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen of the French Revolution made in 1791 also states: All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights. Those are undeniable truths. Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists..."
A government can be free from religion without being separated from God. Jefferson intended America to be free of coercive, state-established, religious Ba'al-shyte -- "Christian" and otherwise. In America the relationship between the Individual and the Creator is NOT within the purview of temporal government.
"the intent of the First Amendment is clearly that the federal government was not to establish a national religion in the English manner." In the English manner.
But Thomas Jefferson, who drafted that "immortal statement" -- wasn't deemed worthy by the religiously petrified idiots on the Texas school board of being included in the list of Revolution inspiring Philosophical thinkers. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. { edit } A$$HOLES!
Well Texas should be thanked for getting white men, other than Boone, Crockett and Houston back in the history books.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
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But Thomas Jefferson, who drafted that "immortal statement" -- wasn't deemed worthy by the religiously petrified idiots on the Texas school board of being included in the list of Revolution inspiring Philosophical thinkers. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. Inserting God. The committee that edited Thomas Jefferson’s draft of the Declaration of Independence altered Jefferson’s vague “from that equal creation” to the more direct “endowed by their Creator.”
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
And neither was the government to interfere with the exercise of religion.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Inserting God. The committee that edited Thomas Jefferson’s draft of the Declaration of Independence altered Jefferson’s vague “from that equal creation” to the more direct “endowed by their Creator.” Nice find, Gary. Appears Jefferson was hoping the insertion of a weaselly phrase (“from that equal creation”) in the "DoI would bamboozle the Christian Founders and avoid crediting God, our "Creator" for man's "certain unalienable rights." Why didn't he pull it off? Sherman and Livingston were both strong Christians and influential Founders in their own right, amd most likely veto'd it immediately, along with the savvy Franklin. I'd assume Franklin brokered the compromise of "endowed by their Creator," which may be the single most important phrase in the DoI, carrying with it the weight of The Almighty's own stamp of approval and entitlement -- NOT "man's. VxH -- you do realize that because of your one obsessive single issue of what you deem as a "diss" of Jefferson, you've aligned yourself with the ousted out-going Democrat-liberal faction of Texas School Board members...don't you? Their agenda was a decidedly secular humanist, leftist, revisionist, pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-subversion, revisionist propaganda. Boo-freakin'-Hoo about Jefferson's elimination from the Leftists' list of "Social Revolutionaries." ALTHOUGH on second thought, if the context of Jefferson's standing as a "revolutionary" to your allies is "anti-Christian" or agnostic, perhaps you and the Leftists at the Texas School Board are indeed losing your Patron Saint of Heathenism. Get over your fetish for the confused Deist Jefferson, your hostility toward 'The Focus on the Family' and the newly minted, sane conservative Texas School board. Time to infuse the young pods with the truth. Christians: Standing between tyranny and slavery, the sane and insane since 1774. NOT Deists.
Who cares about your strawmen? But in this case I'll bite... As to your question, wouldn't you find your answer in Jefferson's notes and letters? After all, isn't HE the one who owns a Koran? I've never heard of such silliness. You mean if not for the overwhelming Christian Founders objecting, Jefferson would have embedded the following language within the DoI, "in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." Tommy Jefferson is painfully diminished in my eyes.
Grand Experiment There was an old man who was a great admirer of democracy and public education. So close to his heart did he hold both institutions that he tried to bring them together into one grand experiment, a public college where students would practice self-governance. There would be no regulations; the goodwill and judgment of the students would suffice. After years of planning, the school was finally opened. The old man was overjoyed. But as the months went by, students proved time and time again that they were not the models of discipline and discernment the old man envisioned. They skipped classes, drank to excess, and wasted hours in frivolous pursuits. One night, 14 students, disguised by masks and “animated with wine,” went on a rampage that ended in a brawl. One struck a professor with a brick, and another used a cane on his victim. In response, the college’s trustees convened a special meeting. The old man, now 82 years old and very frail, was asked to address the student body. In his remarks, he recalled the lofty principles upon which the college had been founded. He said he had expected more—much more—from the students. He even confessed that this was the most painful event of his life. Suddenly, he stopped speaking. Tears welled up in his failing eyes. He was so overcome with grief that he sat down, unable to go on. His audience was so touched that at the conclusion of the meeting the 14 offenders stepped forward to admit their guilt. But they could not undo the damage already done. A strict code of conduct and numerous onerous regulations were instituted at the college. The old man’s experiment had failed. Why? Because he took for granted the one essential ingredient necessary for success: virtue. Only a virtuous people can secure and maintain their freedom. A short time later, on the Fourth of July, the old man passed away. Engraved on his tombstone were the simple words that reflected the success and failure of his most important experiments: “Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and father of the University of Virginia.” Now, as Paul Harvey says, you know the rest of the story. Imprimis, April 1997, Volume 26, Number 4, Hillsdale College, MI, pp. 1-2
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
In YOUR words. Yeah, how 'bout that? I know it hurts :-( Jefferson was playing stenographer for Sherman, Livingstone, and Franklin. And NOT before they edited, redacted, and bolstered the final draft. Then at last TJ's essay was found to be representing the Declaration of Independence on behalf of ALL the Founders. Fallible and Uninspired much? Not often. Only when I'm fed a steaming heap of historical revisionism while entertaining a drooling Fanboi of Tommy Jefferson, aka the only so-called American "Revolutionary." You figure out if Unitarians believe in the Trinity yet, Super Parrot? And it matters...WHY?? Oh, where are my manners -- I had NO idea you were holding your relgious service at LF. Do you burn incense? Do you make exceptions for non-Masons?
A short time later, on the Fourth of July, the old man passed away. Engraved on his tombstone were the simple words that reflected the success and failure of his most important experiments: “Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and father of the University of Virginia.” Outstanding story -- never heard it. Jefferson was an idealist. Fortunately, he lived during an extraordinary window of time in American history where he was able to articulate his idealism into deed -- on the back of Christian virtue. As noted, without a virtuous, Godly people, discipline, honor, and discernment devolve. Man guided by secular humanist principles inevitably debases himself, even with the best intentions. The well-meaning Jefferson's personal experiment proved that. Had Jefferson lived during the 1960s, "Kumbaya" would have been his license plate.
You mad, bro? :-(
Pretty good assessment actually...
Your Stalag camp guard mask is sliding off. I know Boris -- unless you think you can get a handle on a 6-3, 250 pound linebacker, go take your chances (he lives in Hawaii.)
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. --James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments; 20 June 1785 http://press- pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html
It means the Virginia Act was not a secular skeptic manifesto. Let's look at it: I see it differently. It may not be an obvious "secular skeptic manifesto," but it's open to interpretation. I'd call it a "Cynic's Manifesto." Jefferson softens the blow(s) by opening with "Almighty God," mention of "holy Author," and a few mentions of "our religion" to demonstrate who side he's on (for the time being.) The singular ad nausem thrust of Jefferson rapidly appears to be his laser-beam focus and obsession on..."our religion"; The "religion" or Christian faith that 52 of 56 signers of the DoI called their own; That same "religion" which supplied the necessary fount of strength and faith to draw upon and endure in the name of The Alighty God. The same may be said of the majority of Continental Army soldiers.... Suddenly Thomas Jefferson advises being over-cautious about "religion," reminding his readers that "religion" is a two-edged sword. (But WAS IT??) He gushes one, assuming the pitfalls of "impious" pastors and churches that are destined to be baiting, coercive, injurious, infringing upon, and prone to bribes and coercion. So...is Jefferson an obsessed crusader, opining on a personal thesis regarding the threat of Christianity to the governance of the new republic? OR does he sincerely fear that the freedom of common man and governance will eventually be usurped by "religion," who he sees as vulnerable prey to the wiles of predator pastors and ministries? The man was...paranoid, and a closet anti-Christian. Which is exactly why the Left lionizes Jefferson and regards him as their "Father of our (secular) Country."
--James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments; 20 June 1785 Madison is obviously referring to the fifteen centuries Holy Roman Catholic Church rule. The Founders and immigrants to America had been fleeing CC prosecution and seeking religious (Protestant-Christian) freedom for about 150 years by that time. They ultimately established such a place. The "fruits" are obvious: The eradication of the invading Islamic hordes. The Enlightenment. The end of the Vassal/Serfdom days. (Now lets put ALL OTHER political-religious systems on trial since 1 A.D.) The establishment of United States of America. The Printing of individual Bible and mass dissemination of the Gospel. The subsequent 200 years+ of liberty and freedom and standard of living and opportunity second to none.
Don't forget thousands of Christian hospitals, orphanages, schools, and universties established throughout the world.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
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#94. To: VxH (#92)
#95. To: redleghunter (#93)
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It means the Virginia Act was not a secular skeptic manifesto.
#96. To: VxH, GarySpFc, liberator, CZ82 (#53)
The great majority" chose NOT to include "Jesus Christ".
#97. To: VxH (#95)
#98. To: redleghunter (#96)
The same reason some people of the era used "Divine Providence"
#99. To: redleghunter (#97)
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No mention of Muslims or Ghandi.
#100. To: Liberator (#34)
AUSTIN, Tex. — After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light...
#101. To: VxH (#63)
Just one of the political philosophers whose ideas inspired the American Revolution... and others?
#102. To: VxH, GarySpFc, liberator, CZ82 (#98)
I'll stick with Jefferson's explanation.
#103. To: VxH (#99)
#104. To: Liberator, GarySpFc (#34)
Oh yeah -- and then how radical! Btw -- according the Leftist hacks at the New York Times, Thomas Jefferson was "cut from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century...."
#105. To: GarySpFC (#101)
and it certainly was not atheism.
#106. To: redleghunter (#104)
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The above saved me some "ink." Bravo
#107. To: VxH (#106)
#108. To: VxH (#105)
#109. To: redleghunter (#103)
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the vast Masonic conspiracy.
#110. To: GarySpFC (#108)
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And it was far different than the Deism we see today.
#111. To: redleghunter (#107)
Ho Chi Mihn was inspired by being rejected by the US government.
#112. To: VxH (#110)
#113. To: redleghunter (#107)
Ho Chi Mihn was inspired by being rejected by the US government.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro...ratic_Republic_of_Vietnam
#114. To: GarySpFC (#112)
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It is clear from the Declaration that Jefferson did not envision the separation of God from government.
#115. To: GarySpFC (#112)
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In the Roman manner.
In the Egyptian manner.
In the Babylonian manner.
In the Akkadian manner.
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In the Ba'al, state-worshiping, manner.
#116. To: All (#113)
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""All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776."
--Ho Chi Minh, Circa 1945
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro...ratic_Republic_of_Vietnam
#117. To: VxH (#116)
#118. To: VxH (#72)
Super Parrot
#119. To: VxH (#115)
#120. To: VxH (#110)
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""All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776." --Ho Chi Minh, Circa 1945 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro...ratic_Republic_of_Vietnam
#121. To: VxH (#115)
#122. To: GarySpFC, VxH, redleghunter (#120)
VxH:
"Thomas Jefferson, who drafted that 'immortal statement' -- wasn't deemed worthy by the religiously petrified idiots on the Texas school board of being included in the list of Revolution inspiring Philosophical thinkers."
#123. To: VxH (#70)
Is Islamic Sharia law an ERROR that requires CONTRADICTING?
#124. To: VxH, Liberator, Redleghunter, ALL (#116)
#125. To: VxH (#72)
IOW, Jefferson was a secretary for Franklin,
#126. To: GarySpFC, VxH, Redleghunter, ALL (#124)
The old man’s experiment had failed. Why? Because he took for granted the one essential ingredient necessary for success: virtue. Only a virtuous people can secure and maintain their freedom.
#127. To: VxH (#74)
If there's any "bile" it's probably just the ooze that's seeping into your tiny little religiously petrified brain at the thought of what "Fallible and Uninspired" means when you look in the mirror.
#128. To: BorisY (#84)
#129. To: VxH, BorisY (#92)
Don't make me get out the cattle prod again little man.
#130. To: VxH (#3)
#131. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, CZ82, VxH (#93)
What does this mean?
#132. To: kenh (#130)
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
#133. To: Liberator (#132)
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