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Title: Cops Put Bag On Woman’s Head, Strap Her To Chair And Choke Her To Draw Blood For DUI Test
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Published: Feb 09, 2015
Author: Prisonplanet.com
Post Date: 2015-02-10 00:46:24 by GeorgiaConservative
Keywords: police, cops
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A woman is suing a host of parties after it emerged that cops in Austin, Texas, forcably took her blood for a DUI test, in a scene that sounds more like something that would occur at a Guantanamo Bay prison camp. Caroline Callaway was arrested by a police officer after she refused to take a breath test during a routine traffic stop. Ms Callaway was taken directly to the Travis County jail where the shocking events unfolded. Callaway’s attorney told reporters with Courthouse News that despite only “passive and verbal resistance” she was taken “to a small padded room, where she was surrounded by officers and strapped into ‘the chair,’ with her legs, wrists and shoulders restrained.” Callaway, who had informed the police that she suffers from anxiety disorder and uses medications for the ailment, then “began to involuntarily tremble from anxiety and fear.” This prompted the cops to put a bag, known as a “Tranzport Hood,” over her head to deprive the senses, in some backwards notion that this would have a calming effect. All the hood did was cause Callaway to panic further as she could not see what was happening and had further difficulty breathing. A contracted nurse was on hand to perform the blood draw, but according to the complaint, “the needle popped out because of Ms. Callaway’s shaking and blood spewed onto one of the officers.” “(D)efendants continued the abuse determined to take Ms. Callaway’s blood. In order to stop Ms. Callaway from trembling, one of the officers used choke hold pressure points on her neck, until her body went limp.” the complaint further notes. 
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Author: Steve Watson - Prisonplanet.com. She also was in possession of marijuana, ran two red lights. More states are authorizing forcible blood draws for motorists suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, regardless of the circumstances of the arrest. Forcible blood draws occur when police hold down a DUI suspect who is unruly or struggling and medical personnel withdraw a blood sample. Texas state statutes specifically allow the procedure.
Gatlin, I've personally seen you post threads that came directly from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), so you have absolutely zero room to be talking about 'questionable sources'.
Did you ever show where anything I posted was incomplete (contained only partial facts) or untrue? The answer to that is, no ... because I never did. I repeat: She also was in possession of marijuana, ran two red lights. More states are authorizing forcible blood draws for motorists suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, regardless of the circumstances of the arrest. Forcible blood draws occur when police hold down a DUI suspect who is unruly or struggling and medical personnel withdraw a blood sample. Texas state statutes specifically allow the procedure. Steve Watson intentionally left out some pertinent facts in order to further his agenda. That, Georgia Cracker, is yellow journalism.
And Gatlin cheers the further implementation of the police state. Why not - he believes the government owns your mind and your body. Oh BTW Gatslime - your constant shilling for the SPLC is reprehensible. Just wanted to add that.
Another bad effect of marijuana - you might choke to death!
How do we know she wasn't spitting on the officers in her drunken rage... as the reason for the hood?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The woman ran two red lights. She was a repeat offender with a prior DUI conviction. She could have easily caused a tragic duplication of this: I will present truth from whatever source truth can be found. Your constant failed attempt to defend the indefensible is reprehensible. Just wanted to add that.
Yet you post leftist screeds from the ACLU and other sources here on a daily basis. Hypocritical asshole.
There is such a thing as truth and I am able to find it. You are also able to find truth but you never do. Truth can be known, it always exists. I post truth when and from whatever source I find it. That is not being hypocritical.
Your version of it. Bugger off you bloody SPLC puppet.
There is such a thing as truth and I am able to find it. Your version of it. As surprisingly as you may find it, there is only one version of the truth. A single version of truth is not difficult to find ... you only need look for it.
Forcible blood draws are legal, passed by the Texas legislature (consisting of representatives of Texas citizens) and signed by the Texas governor. If this is the way Texas citizens want to run their state, it's their business, not yours. If the citizens object, they can write their representative. If a majority do so, the law will be overturned. Unless, of course, you believe the rest of us should tell Texas what to do? Not a big fan of federalism, are you? (I bet you are on other issues, aren't you?)
Yep. That was my first thought.
What about the "sock puppet" accounts you have set up on this forum. Was that done to "post the truth"?
If the lady is easily proven to be drunk and unable to safely drive a vehicle by such old fashioned tools as observation, there is no reason to force her to "donate" blood to prove it. DUI laws and processes to prove guilt exist to make police able to get more taxes, not make the roads safer. If society wants fewer drunks on the roads harming others, put more police on the job and train them to watch for signs of drunks driving with their eyes and nose. As far as I am concerned, taking of blood or forced breathalyzers are violations of the 5th amendment. It doesn't matter if a person has an accident because they were fat or drunk, they had an accident. Now if they can be proven to have caused the accident, the reason they did so is not relevant and should not be related to punishment. If say they were sitting at a light and someone rear ends them, are they at fault because the cops give her a test that she fails?
I don't drink or drug, but have always wondered why forcible blood draws aren't a violation of the US Constitution's Fifth Amendment proscription against compelling any person "in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". She was obviously compelled to provide evidence against herself. Might have something to do with the lowered BAL required to constitute an offense of the law. Normally the dash cam or jail videos will show a jury if the defendant is obviously intoxicated or impaired. The blood draw can get convictions on people who are at 0.08% BAL and not obviously impaired. Just a guess, though.
You are correct. They are a plain violation. Problem is today we have liars and pieces of shit for judges all the way up to the supreme court.
There are a few things, medically, that can look like intoxication. A blood BAC or a breath test is imperative. Besides, most states write into their law that an operator can't refuse, upon PC for a DWI arrest. Driving is not a right... it's a privledge.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
In NY, blood draws are only forced in cases of FATAL MVA's or the possibility of a fatality via extream serious injury.... should the person refuse. A court warrant still has to be signed for the forced blood draw. Can't speak for other states... But NY is as libtard as they come.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Indeed they are. The 5th exists, but GrandIsland, gatlin, and misterwhite claim that States have the power to ignore it. No, it is imperative that the States honor the 5th. Constitutional rights trump police investigations. Another constitutionally debatable 'law' and concept. Our right to travel is beyond dispute. (Or should be) -- Thus, our mode of travel (our right to drive) should only be subject to reasonable regulations, which do NOT include blood tests. Can you agree?
How about fingerprinting, a DNA mouth swab, a photo, voice recording, or even appearing in court? All could be used as self-incriminating evidence against the defendant. The court has ruled that the 5th amendment is "a prohibition of the use of physical or moral compulsion to extort communications from a defendant." Very narrow. I think the defendant can make a better 4th amendment case. To me, a forcible blood draw is a gross violation of privacy, both in the way it is obtained and the amount of personal health information it gives the government. What if the DUI test involved an examination of your liver -- would the court allow a doctor to perform surgery?
Now here is what the Fifthe amendment ACTUALLY is. Words have meanings. If you don't understand a word get out a dictionary or ask somene. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. I don't care what some corrupt black robe says.
You see, this was a condition of the continuing debate. That you aren't the final say in grey areas. You know as well as I do the the USC has ruled forced blood draws NOT a constitutional violation. I can't debate you if you intentionally spin facts.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I agree. Make the determination based on the officer's observation -- the way the person was driving, their appearance, alcohol on breath, slurred speech, etc. If, as a result of those observations, the person is arrested for DUI, then THEY may request the officer to perform a DUI test to prove their innocence.
Only one hole in your plan, the defendant doesn't have to prove Jack-shit. You're opening up a whole can of constitutional worms.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You mean you don't care what five corrupt black robes on the U.S. Supreme Court say. Seems to me that if they're corrupt they should be impeached -- not ignored. Are those five still corrupt when they rule in favor of an issue you support?
Are those five still corrupt when they rule in favor of an issue you support? What I am saying is that I live by moral code not the law. I don't break the law because most laws are just. Murder, theft etc. If 5 corrupt judges come to the truth then it is still the truth. You would have to give me an example to tell you if I disagree or agree. I can accept that everything isn't my way. I don't like it when they obviously violate the constitution.
The 5th exists, but GrandIsland, gatlin, and misterwhite claim that States have the power to ignore it. No, it is imperative that the States honor the 5th. Constitutional rights trump police investigations. I'm not 'the final say', the Constitution is.. Try to refute the words of the constitution, not mine. And if you look at their 'rulings', the opinions are NOT unanimous. There is dissent, and they can be overturned. I'm giving you constitutional facts, not spin. -- But if you claim there's spin, specify it, if you can. - I claim you can't. Another constitutionally debatable 'law' and concept. Our right to travel is beyond dispute. (Or should be) -- Thus, our mode of travel (our right to drive) should only be subject to reasonable regulations, which do NOT include blood tests. Can you agree?
Actually it is a right. The right travel. If you can't drive you can't survive or can barely survive. You should be to lose that right if you do something like drive drunk. But the default position should be/acutally is that driving is a right. There were several court cases confirming this before the entire system became corrupt. So corrupt it is facing collapse.
You're right. He doesn't have to. He can go to court and listen to the officer describe why he was arrested for DUI -- weaving all over the road, eyes red, speech blurred, reeking of alcohol -- and as his defense offer ... diddley-squat. My plan offers him a choice and retains his rights. Rather than being forced to take some DUI test, the arrest is based on the officer's observation. If the driver knows he's not impaired, he can insist on a DUI test (breath or blood) and settle the matter with the officer right then and there. Or not. Justice is served and no rights are violated. Why not?
The law IS the aggregate moral code of society. Given that we'll never get 320 million people to agree 100%, the practical solution is to go with the majority. Although you're free to be more moral than the aggregate, being less moral has consequences. "I don't like it when they obviously violate the constitution." It's not that obvious to me. As I pointed out in my post #23, there are a large number of ways by which an individual could incriminate themselves. Hell, simply having them appear in a line-up can be construed as self-incrimination. The U.S. Supreme Court determined that the Founders were referring to verbal communication.
The court has ruled that the 5th amendment is "a prohibition of the use of physical or moral compulsion to extort communications from a defendant." Very narrow. The U.S. Supreme Court determined that the Founders were referring to verbal communication. Those two opinions of yours on the 5th, --- contradict each other and don't make sense. --- Can you explain? s Our supreme law, the Constitution, protects us from 'majority rule', --- by insisting that there are individual rights that cannot be infringed by any 'practical solution'. --- Can you admit that truth?
I'm familiar with this concept. I don't necessarily disagree, but the SCOTUS does. We can't make our own rules based on individual opinions. It's a slippery slope
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Driving is not a right... it's a privledge. -- GrandIsland Another constitutionally debatable 'law' and concept. Our right to travel is beyond dispute. (Or should be) -- Thus, our mode of travel (our right to drive) should only be subject to reasonable regulations, which do NOT include blood tests. Can you agree? We agree. - It puzzles me why anyone would disagree... Nope, they've never really opined on that percise point, if memory serves. -- SOTUS uses the reasonable regulation dodge to avoid such a 'ruling'. We made our own rules in the Constitution, based on individual rights. You slippery States Rights advocates opine that majority rule is the way to go. It's not.
Even the legislature has no power to deny to a Citizen the "RIGHT" to travel upon the roadways and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, through this "RIGHT" might be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. See: Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 N.E. 22
Come on Stone, so I'm correct in assuming you don't have a drivers license? Be honest.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
It appears not... Poor fella. He must be so heartbroken about palmdales suspension, that he's struck dumb.
I don't think Palmdale was sudpended. It's my understanding he voluntarily quit posting.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Am I correct in assuming your 16 years old and a wannabe cop?
It's been ruled by a few different STATE appellate or Supreme Courts. The USSC would never rule that driving on public roadways is a constitutional right... not even if all the justices were Scalia.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Am I correct in assuming your 16 years old and a wannabe cop? So why would you, after all these intelligent posts, back and fourth... post such a childish retort? My question was reasonable.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Misterwhite must be so heartbroken about palmdales suspension, that he's struck dumb. We all know you don't spend much time thinking, but what gave you the idea that his leaving was voluntary? Do you mean after Stone gave him a temporary suspension, he quit LF in a snit?
No. He sent a private message stating his intent on the day of his last posts.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Be honest I drove without a license for over 10 years. I have one now. I didn't get a dui or anything. The insurance just lapsed around Christmas one year. Then they suspended it. I beat them in court on several occasions. Cop didn't show up. They change the charge to no operators license. My funnest was when I went to Fariborn Municipal Court. I found a brief on the internet based on Pennsylvania law. I looked up the appropriate parts and made it conform to Ohio. It was like 35 pages. The Judge ruled against me. I was preparing to choose the jury. Looking over the pamphlet. I was representing myself. They called me to court to discuss the case before jury selection. I remember it very well. The judge told me that I wasn't to bring up the constitution and that she already ruled against my motions. She just ruled against them without explaining why. Anyhow. She asked if I understood that I was not to bring up the constitution in the case. I remember plain as day what I said back. I said "I understand that the constitution is the supreme law of the land. She was mad you could see it in the bitches face. Then I asked her if I could ask a question. I asked her "if the constitution of the United States of America was in effect in her courtrooom. She said "that is offensive I refuse to answer that question". I shot back "Let the record show that the judge has refused to acknowledge that the constitution of the United States oF America is in effect in this courtroom. She was even more pissed. She threw the gavel down and adjourned. They took me back to the room to keep making the jury selection. Not 5 minutes later the prosecutor came in and said they made a mistake in the way that they filed my charges and that they were dropping the driving without a license charge. But they would keep the reckless operation of a motor vehicle charge. Which you don't get a jury trial for. The bitch didn't listen to or consider anything and she found me guilty. What was the reckless operation. My tire went flat and it was on the side of the road. It was a firstone tire by the way before all that stuff about firestone tires broke. Not that that was necessarily the reason. Also something I didn't mention above. When we went to the consultation or whatever you call it when I was before the Judge. They asked if I objected to a Federal Ovserver witting with the prosecutor. I didn't object I wasn't prepared for a question like that. But why would a federal repersentative be there for a case as insignificant as mine. I wondered that afterward. I was prepared. Had poster boards and everything. I was going to smoke them and take up all day, or as much time as possible. Another case. Oakwood Ohio. The Judge kept stopping me from taling with sidebars. I was tryint go tell the jury that they had the right to decide the facts and the LAW. The judge didn't like that. I asked him in the sidebar if he Knew that my position was the same as John Jay's the first supreme court justice. He wasn't going to let me say anything. So I changed stategies. I held up a copy of the constitution. I told the jury this is a copy of the constitution. I guess it is of no effect in this court. Then I ripped it up and rested my case. During jury deliberations I sat in the Judges chamber and talked to him. He was actually kind of friendly. The prosecutor didn't like that at all. One thing I asked him was why is that gold fringe around the American flag? He said "someone has told you something". I don't remember the other details of our conversation. Anyhow the jury came back with a question. I don't remember what it was. Then later the jury found me guilty. Ok one more. I got a public defender. Worst result out ever. I got 30 days house arrest. The public defender was a joke. Another case. Kettering Ohio. The law says there is an exception if there is an emergency. It was a slow winter. My heat went out. I had to get a thermostat to make the heater work. My defense was going to be it was an emergency because my heat was out and I needed money to buy a new thermostat. This was about a week before Christmas. The public defender came up to me and wanted to make sure I wanted to represent myself. I told him how I planned to defend myself. Side note I also had 3 of my cute little kids with me for jury sympathy. The defender said he didn't know if that would work. He asked me if he could get it reduced to no operator license if I would take that deal. I said yes. No operator license just means you didn't have it on you. I took the deal. The Judge asked if I had insurance. I did. They usually have to check. He didn't check and said just mark it that he has it. Merry Christmas. Filing motions to delay the trial and get it near Christmas was also part of my strategy. Ok another. I took an alternative way home from my fishing trip to Lake Cumberland in Kentucky. Instead of going interstate 75 I decided to go the country way. I got caught speeding going 66 in a 55. It was just 65 a min ago and i got a ticket. What was interesting was that I had my SKS along with a 2 liter bottle filled with hollow point bullets in my van. I also had a machete that we were going to use to hack through the woods. The cop told me he could get me for concealed deadly weapon on the machete. But he didn't because he believed me I guess. I plead not guilty. Got my van back with my wife's help. Then drove away never to return. Statute of limitations of probably passed now. I guess you would think I'm a bad boy.
Our right to travel is beyond dispute. (Or should be) -- Thus, our mode of travel (our right to drive) should only be subject to reasonable regulations, which do NOT include blood tests. Can you agree? Nope, they've never really opined on that percise point, if memory serves. -- SOTUS uses the reasonable regulation dodge to avoid such a 'ruling'. You agree that the SCOTUS has never so opined. Thanks. How clever. We've already established that driving can be reasonably regulated. But is infringing on the 5th (by requiring blood tests) to do so reasonable? No way..
If you are tot be secure in your papers person and effect. That you need a search warrant to get to that. How can requiring you to give that info to the BMV be constitutional. They didn't get a search warrant for that information. Another angle.
One more case. I got my license back. Then was pulled over on the way home. The cop said the computer said I didn't have license. I had one it took me thousands of dollars and a lot of running around. The next day I was still driving as I had a license. A cop at the scene recognized me and pulled me over on the way home from Kroger. That was two tickets in like 3 days. I showed the affirmative action prosecutor that I had a license. She agreed to dismiss the case if I agree to just pay court costs. What I have to pay court costs when you know my license if valid. She said you can take it to trial if you want. I just paid the assholes to avoid missing work and more hassle. I wanted to get a camera in there and record the cunt saying that. But no cameras allowed in building. I would like to punch that cunt in the mouth for being a corrupt piece of shit.
Many times a license that was just reinstated will take 30 days to show the updated status in the states DMV files.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Not at all. You live by the choices you make... and suffer the consequences of those choices. I can respect that.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
It was more then 30 days. It was like a year and a half if I remember correctly. I showed them my license and asked if it was suspended for last 10 or so years how did I get one?
I still believe driving is a right. It was just easier and less expensive to get a license. I guess I am less stubborn then I used to be. It feels good not to be nervouse when a cop gets behind you too. :)
My nephew wants to become a police officer. He already went through the academy once and didn't make it. He wants to be on the SWAT team. I think he has played to much call of duty and Battlefield. He is a good honorable guy though.
He wants to be on the SWAT team. I think he has played to much call of duty and Battlefield. He is a good honorable guy though. I talked my son out of the quest. The job isn't worth doing anymore. The retirement is the only good benefit... and those are getting dwindled down. The job took my soul... and I'll never get it back.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
When a cop is behind you, it's rational to feel nervous, as I can guarantee you. They can find some sort of violation, if they feel like it.
Well not as nervous is probably more accurate. Someone I know knew a cop who said he got nervous when cops were behind him too.
Am I correct in assuming your 16 years old and a wannabe cop? Your question was only reasonable if you make the assumption that I knew of Stone's license problems. --- I did not. How did you know of them?
How did you know of them? He guessed by what I posted.
--- what gave you the idea that his leaving was voluntary? Do you mean after Stone gave him a temporary suspension, he quit LF in a snit? Are you saying that palmdale intended to quit, then goaded Stone into suspending him? --- The thread doesn't read that way.. - Does it?
Deleted by me.. Sorry, I thought I was responding to GrandIsland.
Try talking him into being a Sheriff or Highway Patrol instead, he'd probably like those guys better anyway.
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Officers cannot take blood from anyone. In Texas, the blood must be taken by a qualified person pursuant to Texas Transp. Code 724.017. http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/724.017.00.html (a) Only a physician, qualified technician, chemist, registered professional nurse, or licensed vocational nurse may take a blood specimen at the request or order of a peace officer under this chapter. The blood specimen must be taken in a sanitary place. (b) The person who takes the blood specimen under this chapter, or the hospital where the blood specimen is taken, is not liable for damages arising from the request or order of the peace officer to take the blood specimen as provided by this chapter if the blood specimen was taken according to recognized medical procedures. This subsection does not relieve a person from liability for negligence in the taking of a blood specimen. (c) In this section, "qualified technician" does not include emergency medical services personnel. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Last modified: August 11, 2007 http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/02/06/woman-sues-police-for-brutal-blood-draw.htm Friday, February 06, 2015Last Update: 11:18 AM PT Woman Sues Police for Brutal Blood Draw By Ryan Kocian AUSTIN, Texas (CN) - Austin police put a bag over a woman's head, strapped her to a chair and used "choke hold pressure points" to draw her blood for a DUI test, the woman claims in court. Caroline Callaway sued Austin, Travis County, Austin police officers, county sheriff's officers, Pro-touch Nurses and one of its employees, alleging unlawful search and seizure, excessive force, assault and battery, negligence and medical malpractice. [...] Callaway's attorney Daphne Pattison Silverman told Courthouse News that defendant Shannon Ramsey-Graham performed the blood draw, while working for Pro-touch Nurses, which contracts with the Austin Police Department. [...] It [nc - the Complaint] continues: "(D)efendants continued the abuse determined to take Ms. Callaway's blood. In order to stop Ms. Callaway from trembling, one of the officers used choke hold pressure points on her neck, until her body went limp. Defendant Ramsey-Graham stabbed Ms. Callaway again while Ms. Callaway was limp. When the officer released her neck, Ms. Callaway gasped for air. She could not see because there was a bag over her head, but she felt the weight of a boot in the crook of her arm, which, along with the rest of her body, was still tied to the chair. Ms. Callaway was suspected of committing a misdemeanor." [snip] I am unaware of any recognized medical procedure which features permitting a cop to apply a choke hold to render the patient unconscious. Running red lights will not provide probable cause for a blood draw warrant. Prior convictions will not provide probable cause for a blood draw warrant. Possession of marijuana will not provide probable cause for a blood draw warrant to search for alcohol. Blood may be drawn with a warrant or where an emergency provides exigent circumstances. There must be reasonable suspicion to support the stop and probable cause to support the search, and it must comport with state law limitations. The assertion that an involuntary blood draw may be authorized by the state regardless of the circumstances of the arrest is without merit and directly contrary to the holding of the United States Supreme Court in Missouri v. McNeely (17 Apr 2013), linked and quoted at the end of this post. In McNeely, writing for the Court, Justice Sotomayor stated, A routine DWI case requires a warrant to be constitutional. Any state law to the contrary would be unconstitutional. Texas statutes allow an involuntary blood draw with a warrant. The circumstances under which an involuntary blood draw may be authorized are limited by Texas Transp. Code 724.012 and 724.013. Section 724.103 provides: Section 724.012(b) provides: Note that each of the specified requirements must be met for a peace officer to require the taking of a specimed of the person's breath or blood. = = = = = = = = = = http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/724.012.00.html (a) One or more specimens of a person's breath or blood may be taken if the person is arrested and at the request of a peace officer having reasonable grounds to believe the person: (1) while intoxicated was operating a motor vehicle in a public place, or a watercraft; or (2) was in violation of Section 106.041, Alcoholic Beverage Code. (b) A peace officer shall require the taking of a specimen of the person's breath or blood if: (1) the officer arrests the person for an offense under Chapter 49, Penal Code, involving the operation of a motor vehicle or a watercraft; (2) the person was the operator of a motor vehicle or a watercraft involved in an accident that the officer reasonably believes occurred as a result of the offense; (3) at the time of the arrest the officer reasonably believes that as a direct result of the accident: (A) any individual has died or will die; or (B) an individual other than the person has suffered serious bodily injury; and (4) the person refuses the officer's request to submit to the taking of a specimen voluntarily. (c) The peace officer shall designate the type of specimen to be taken. (d) In this section, "serious bodily injury" has the meaning assigned by Section 1.07, Penal Code. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1013, § 33, eff. Sept. 1, 1997; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 422, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003. Last modified: August 11, 2007 http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/724.013.00.html Except as provided by Section 724.012(b), a specimen may not be taken if a person refuses to submit to the taking of a specimen designated by a peace officer. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Last modified: August 11, 2007 - - - - - http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-1425_cb8e.pdf NOTICE: This opinion is subject to formal revision before publication in the preliminary print of the United States Reports. Readers are requested to notify the Reporter of Decisions, Supreme Court of the United States, Washington, D. C. 20543, of any typographical or other formal errors, in orderthat corrections may be made before the preliminary print goes to press. SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 11–1425 MISSOURI, PETITIONER v. TYLER G. MCNEELY ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE SUPREME COURT OF MISSOURI [April 17, 2013] JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR announced the judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II–A, II–B, and IV, and an opinion with respect to Parts II–C and III, in which JUSTICE SCALIA, JUSTICE GINSBURG, and JUSTICE KAGAN join. In Schmerber v. California, 384 U. S. 757 (1966), this Court upheld a warrantless blood test of an individual arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol because the officer “might reasonably have believed that he was confronted with an emergency, in which the delay necessary to obtain a warrant, under the circumstances, threatened the destruction of evidence.” Id., at 770 (internal quotation marks omitted). The question presented here is whether the natural metabolization of alcohol in the bloodstream presents a per se exigency that justifies an exception to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement for nonconsensual blood testing in all drunk-driving cases. We conclude that it does not, and we hold, consistent with general Fourth Amendment principles, that exigency in this context must be determined case by case based on the totality of the circumstances. [2] Opinion of the Court I While on highway patrol at approximately 2:08 a.m., a Missouri police officer stopped Tyler McNeely’s truck after observing it exceed the posted speed limit and repeatedly cross the centerline. The officer noticed several signs that McNeely was intoxicated, including McNeely’s bloodshot eyes, his slurred speech, and the smell of alcohol on his breath. McNeely acknowledged to the officer that he had consumed “a couple of beers” at a bar, App. 20, and he appeared unsteady on his feet when he exited the truck. After McNeely performed poorly on a battery of field sobriety tests and declined to use a portable breath-test device to measure his blood alcohol concentration (BAC), the officer placed him under arrest. The officer began to transport McNeely to the stationhouse. But when McNeely indicated that he would again refuse to provide a breath sample, the officer changed course and took McNeely to a nearby hospital for blood testing. The officer did not attempt to secure a warrant. Upon arrival at the hospital, the officer asked McNeely whether he would consent to a blood test. Reading from a standard implied consent form, the officer explained to McNeely that under state law refusal to submit voluntarily to the test would lead to the immediate revocation of his driver’s license for one year and could be used against himin a future prosecution. See Mo. Ann. Stat. §§577.020.1, 577.041 (West 2011). McNeely nonetheless refused. The officer then directed a hospital lab technician to take a blood sample, and the sample was secured at approximately 2:35 a.m. Subsequent laboratory testing measured McNeely’s BAC at 0.154 percent, which was well above the legal limit of 0.08 percent. See §577.012.1. McNeely was charged with driving while intoxicated (DWI), in violation of §577.010. He moved to suppress [3] the results of the blood test, arguing in relevant part that, under the circumstances, taking his blood for chemical testing without first obtaining a search warrant violated his rights under the Fourth Amendment. The trial court agreed. It concluded that the exigency exception to the warrant requirement did not apply because, apart from the fact that “[a]s in all cases involving intoxication, [McNeely’s] blood alcohol was being metabolized by his liver,” there were no circumstances suggesting the officer faced an emergency in which he could not practicably obtain a warrant. No. 10CG–CR01849–01 (Cir. Ct. Cape Giradeau Cty., Mo., Div. II, Mar. 3, 2011), App. to Pet. for Cert. 43a. On appeal, the Missouri Court of Appeals stated an intention to reverse but transferred the case directly to the Missouri Supreme Court. No. ED 96402 (June 21, 2011), id., at 24a. The Missouri Supreme Court affirmed. 358 S. W. 3d 65 (2012) (per curiam). Recognizing that this Court’s decision in Schmerber v. California, 384 U. S. 757, “provide[d] the backdrop” to its analysis, the Missouri Supreme Court held that “Schmerber directs lower courts to engage in a totality of the circumstances analysis when determining whether exigency permits a nonconsensual, warrantless blood draw.” 358 S. W. 3d, at 69, 74. The court further concluded that Schmerber “requires more than the mere dissipation of blood-alcohol evidence to support a warrantless blood draw in an alcohol-related case.” 358 S. W. 3d, at 70. According to the court, exigency depends heavily on the existence of additional “‘special facts,’” such as whether an officer was delayed by the need to investigate an accident and transport an injured suspect to the hospital, as had been the case in Schmerber. 358 S. W. 3d, at 70, [4] 74. Finding that this was “unquestionably a routine DWI case” in which no factors other than the natural dissipation of blood-alcohol suggested that there was an emergency, the court held that the nonconsensual warrantless blood draw violated McNeely’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches of his person. Id., at 74–75. We granted certiorari to resolve a split of authority on the question whether the natural dissipation of alcohol in the bloodstream establishes a per se exigency that suffices on its own to justify an exception to the warrant requirement for nonconsensual blood testing in drunk-driving investigations. See 567 U. S. ___ (2012). We now affirm. [snip]
The Constitution says we SHALL NOT be compelled to provide evidence against ourselves. If you are FORCED to provide that evidence, that is against our rights. If you are FORCED to waive those rights at the point of a gun, is that not another violation of our right protecting us from unlawful imprisonment and forced testimony?
"In the Anglo-American legal system, the concept has its outgrowth in several principles. Many jurisdictions hold as a legal rule that a defendant's out-of-court confession, alone, is insufficient evidence to prove the defendant's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.[1] A corollary to this rule is that an accused cannot be convicted solely upon the testimony of an accomplice. Some jurisdictions also hold that without first showing independent corroboration that a crime happened, the prosecution may not introduce evidence of the defendant's statement."
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You're a real asset. Thanks for the information.
This is off on a little bit of a tangent. But here in Ohio I've noticed that if you want to use a public defender. Which is supposed to be a right from the constitution. Then you have to waive your other right to a speedy trial. Any idea how they can get away with making you waive a right to exercise another one? Not only that you are encouraged to do that and they have the forms right there that they pass out like pez candy. Wouldn't that violate something about giving legal advice.
Not only that you are encouraged to do that and they have the forms right there that they pass out like pez candy. Wouldn't that violate something about giving legal advice. I have not seen the specific forms to which you refer but I have identified a bit of misunderstanding. You appear to be conflating two distinct and separate rights to a speedy trial. While you are seeing a violation of constitutional rights, I reasonably surmise that you would only waive statutory rights to a speedy trial. I doubt they can require everyone using a public defender to waive their right, or make a waiver irrevokable. The constitutional right is a general one judged on a showing of due diligence rather than a spelled out time limit. The statutory rights are spelled out by specific time periods allowed for specific grades of alleged crime. There is no legal violation in requesting someone to waive a right, for example, to waive one's constitutional right to remain silent. You may waive your statutory right to a speedy trial. If you choose to use the services of a public defender, their case load may make it impossible for them to provide adequate service within the statutory speedy trial time limit. It is reasonable that they request you waive the speedy trial time. Your attorney may waive the time limit by asking to continue a pre-trial hearing to a later date. He can do it without your permission and you are bound by his act. Your attorney waiving the time limit against your express wishes is not proper and I have quoted from a California case directly on point below. http://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/3d/26/557.html [excerpt - opinion of the court] Section 1382, which interprets the state constitutional right to a speedy trial (see Cal. Const., art. I, § 15), provides that absent a showing of good cause, a defendant accused of a felony is entitled to a dismissal of the charges against him if he is not brought to trial within 60 days of the filing of the information. Defendant Johnson was not brought to trial within this statutory period. Instead, the trial court, at the request of the public defender, and over defendant's express objection, repeatedly continued the case, with the result that trial commenced 144 days after the filing of charges. Defendant raised his speedy trial claim in the trial court, but did not seek pretrial appellate intervention. We summarize briefly our conclusions respecting the speedy trial issue. We conclude, first, that when a client expressly objects to waiver of his right to a speedy trial under section 1382, counsel may not waive [26 Cal.3d 562] that right to resolve a calendar conflict when counsel acts not for the benefit of the client before the court but to accommodate counsel's other clients. Secondly, we conclude that, at least in the case of an incarcerated defendant, the asserted inability of the public defender to try such a defendant's case within the statutory period because of conflicting obligations to other clients does not constitute good cause to avoid dismissal of the charges. Finally, we reaffirm the holding of People v. Wilson (1963) 60 Cal.2d 139 [32 Cal.Rptr. 44, 383 P.2d 452], that a defendant seeking post-conviction review of denial of a speedy trial must prove prejudice flowing from the delay of trial; we affirm here because defendant proved no prejudice. If you are really and truly determined to exercise speedy trial rights, and your attorney seeks a waiver over your objection, it would seem advisable to request it in writing to the trial court. Do not wait to request a post-conviction review. However, in this case, you may wind up at trial in five days with an unprepared defense. The applicable Ohio Revised Statutes are shown below. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2945.71 (A) Subject to division (D) of this section, a person against whom a charge is pending in a court not of record, or against whom a charge of minor misdemeanor is pending in a court of record, shall be brought to trial within thirty days after the person's arrest or the service of summons. (B) Subject to division (D) of this section, a person against whom a charge of misdemeanor, other than a minor misdemeanor, is pending in a court of record, shall be brought to trial as follows: (1) Within forty-five days after the person's arrest or the service of summons, if the offense charged is a misdemeanor of the third or fourth degree, or other misdemeanor for which the maximum penalty is imprisonment for not more than sixty days; (2) Within ninety days after the person's arrest or the service of summons, if the offense charged is a misdemeanor of the first or second degree, or other misdemeanor for which the maximum penalty is imprisonment for more than sixty days. (C) A person against whom a charge of felony is pending: (1) Notwithstanding any provisions to the contrary in Criminal Rule 5(B), shall be accorded a preliminary hearing within fifteen consecutive days after the person's arrest if the accused is not held in jail in lieu of bail on the pending charge or within ten consecutive days after the person's arrest if the accused is held in jail in lieu of bail on the pending charge; (2) Shall be brought to trial within two hundred seventy days after the person's arrest. (D) A person against whom one or more charges of different degrees, whether felonies, misdemeanors, or combinations of felonies and misdemeanors, all of which arose out of the same act or transaction, are pending shall be brought to trial on all of the charges within the time period required for the highest degree of offense charged, as determined under divisions (A), (B), and (C) of this section. (E) For purposes of computing time under divisions (A), (B), (C)(2), and (D) of this section, each day during which the accused is held in jail in lieu of bail on the pending charge shall be counted as three days. This division does not apply for purposes of computing time under division (C)(1) of this section. (F) This section shall not be construed to modify in any way section 2941.401 or sections 2963.30 to 2963.35 of the Revised Code. Effective Date: 10-29-1999 http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2945.72 The time within which an accused must be brought to trial, or, in the case of felony, to preliminary hearing and trial, may be extended only by the following: (A) Any period during which the accused is unavailable for hearing or trial, by reason of other criminal proceedings against him, within or outside the state, by reason of his confinement in another state, or by reason of the pendency of extradition proceedings, provided that the prosecution exercises reasonable diligence to secure his availability; (B) Any period during which the accused is mentally incompetent to stand trial or during which his mental competence to stand trial is being determined, or any period during which the accused is physically incapable of standing trial; (C) Any period of delay necessitated by the accused's lack of counsel, provided that such delay is not occasioned by any lack of diligence in providing counsel to an indigent accused upon his request as required by law; (D) Any period of delay occasioned by the neglect or improper act of the accused; (E) Any period of delay necessitated by reason of a plea in bar or abatement, motion, proceeding, or action made or instituted by the accused; (F) Any period of delay necessitated by a removal or change of venue pursuant to law; (G) Any period during which trial is stayed pursuant to an express statutory requirement, or pursuant to an order of another court competent to issue such order; (H) The period of any continuance granted on the accused's own motion, and the period of any reasonable continuance granted other than upon the accused's own motion; (I) Any period during which an appeal filed pursuant to section 2945.67 of the Revised Code is pending. Effective Date: 11-01-1978 http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2945.73 (A) A charge of felony shall be dismissed if the accused is not accorded a preliminary hearing within the time required by sections 2945.71 and 2945.72 of the Revised Code. (B) Upon motion made at or prior to the commencement of trial, a person charged with an offense shall be discharged if he is not brought to trial within the time required by sections 2945.71 and 2945.72 of the Revised Code. (C) Regardless of whether a longer time limit may be provided by sections 2945.71 and 2945.72 of the Revised Code, a person charged with misdemeanor shall be discharged if he is held in jail in lieu of bond awaiting trial on the pending charge: (1) For a total period equal to the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the most serious misdemeanor charged; (2) For a total period equal to the term of imprisonment allowed in lieu of payment of the maximum fine which may be imposed for the most serious misdemeanor charged, when the offense or offenses charged constitute minor misdemeanors. (D) When a charge of felony is dismissed pursuant to division (A) of this section, such dismissal has the same effect as a nolle prosequi. When an accused is discharged pursuant to division (B) or (C) of this section, such discharge is a bar to any further criminal proceedings against him based on the same conduct. Effective Date: 01-01-1974 http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2941.401 When a person has entered upon a term of imprisonment in a correctional institution of this state, and when during the continuance of the term of imprisonment there is pending in this state any untried indictment, information, or complaint against the prisoner, he shall be brought to trial within one hundred eighty days after he causes to be delivered to the prosecuting attorney and the appropriate court in which the matter is pending, written notice of the place of his imprisonment and a request for a final disposition to be made of the matter, except that for good cause shown in open court, with the prisoner or his counsel present, the court may grant any necessary or reasonable continuance. The request of the prisoner shall be accompanied by a certificate of the warden or superintendent having custody of the prisoner, stating the term of commitment under which the prisoner is being held, the time served and remaining to be served on the sentence, the amount of good time earned, the time of parole eligibility of the prisoner, and any decisions of the adult parole authority relating to the prisoner. The written notice and request for final disposition shall be given or sent by the prisoner to the warden or superintendent having custody of him, who shall promptly forward it with the certificate to the appropriate prosecuting attorney and court by registered or certified mail, return receipt requested. The warden or superintendent having custody of the prisoner shall promptly inform him in writing of the source and contents of any untried indictment, information, or complaint against him, concerning which the warden or superintendent has knowledge, and of his right to make a request for final disposition thereof. Escape from custody by the prisoner, subsequent to his execution of the request for final disposition, voids the request. If the action is not brought to trial within the time provided, subject to continuance allowed pursuant to this section, no court any longer has jurisdiction thereof, the indictment, information, or complaint is void, and the court shall enter an order dismissing the action with prejudice. This section does not apply to any person adjudged to be mentally ill or who is under sentence of life imprisonment or death, or to any prisoner under sentence of death. Effective Date: 10-06-1994
She was convicted of an earlier charge in 2012.
Officers can take blood from citizens with a warrant signed by a judge.
#2. To: Gatlin (#1)
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Author: Steve Watson - Prisonplanet.com.
#3. To: GeorgiaConservative (#2)
...directly from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)...
Author: Steve Watson - Prisonplanet.com.
She was convicted of an earlier charge in 2012.
Officers can take blood from citizens with a warrant signed by a judge.
#4. To: Gatlin, GeorgiaConservative (#3)
More states are authorizing forcible blood draws for motorists suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, regardless of the circumstances of the arrest. Forcible blood draws occur when police hold down a DUI suspect who is unruly or struggling and medical personnel withdraw a blood sample. Texas state statutes specifically allow the procedure.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#5. To: GeorgiaConservative (#0)
in Austin ... cops to put a bag ... difficulty breathing ... choke hold pressure points on her neck, until her body went limp
#6. To: Gatlin (#1)
She also was in possession of marijuana
#7. To: GeorgiaConservative (#0)
Callaway, who had informed the police that she suffers from anxiety disorder and uses medications for the ailment, then “began to involuntarily tremble from anxiety and fear.” This prompted the cops to put a bag, known as a “Tranzport Hood,” over her head to deprive the senses, in some backwards notion that this would have a calming effect.
#8. To: Deckard (#4)
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And Gatlin cheers the further implementation of the police state.
Why not - he believes the government owns your mind and your body.
Oh BTW Gatslime - your constant shilling for the SPLC is reprehensible. Just wanted to add that. Flowers and candles were placed Thursday night at the intersection in Redondo Beach where an alleged DUI driver plowed into families who had just attended a school Christmas program, killing three women and leaving nine others injured, including five children. Margo Bronstein of Redondo Beach was arrested on suspicion of felony vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, police said Thursday. Source.
He taught that his kingdom is a kingdom of truth, inhering or contained in love, an essential element which dominates the love. The truth which controls the love is holiness, justice, truth or honesty, impartiality and altruism. Every one that is of the truth, wherever there is a human spirit anxious to, attain to the possession of truth and righteousness, let his eye be directed to me.
Yellow journalism is abominable. Defend her if you wish … I will not!
#9. To: GeorgiaConservative, GrandIsland, (#7)
A cloth spit bag/sock/mask. The spit bag, or spit mask, or spit hood, or spit sock, spit net serves a reasonable goal. It protects law enforcement personnel from the potentially deadly bodily fluids of an aggressive detainee. The cheap, disposable device can be quickly pulled over the offender’s face, and just as easily removed. Dallas police used the mask on a 25-year-old man they were detaining on warrants. He’d resisted officers, and tried to spit on them. The mask was clearly a good call in this case after learning that the man tested positive for HIV and hepatitis.
#10. To: Gatlin (#8)
Yellow journalism is abominable.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#11. To: Deckard (#10)
Yellow journalism is abominable.
Yet you post leftist screeds from the ACLU and other sources here on a daily basis.
Hypocritical asshole.
#12. To: Gatlin (#11)
There is such a thing as truth and I am able to find it.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: Deckard (#12)
#14. To: Deckard (#4)
"And Gatlin cheers the further implementation of the police state."
#15. To: GrandIsland (#7)
"How do we know she wasn't spitting on the officers in her drunken rage... as the reason for the hood?"
#16. To: Gatlin (#11)
I post truth when and from whatever source I find it.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#7)
#18. To: misterwhite (#14)
#19. To: Abcdefg (#18)
a violation of the US Constitution's Fifth Amendment
#20. To: jeremiad (#17)
If the lady is easily proven to be drunk and unable to safely drive a vehicle by such old fashioned tools as observation, there is no reason to force her to "donate" blood to prove it.
#21. To: Abcdefg, AKA Stone (#18)
I don't drink or drug, but have always wondered why forcible blood draws aren't a violation of the US Constitution's Fifth Amendment proscription agains
#22. To: GrandIsland, jeremiad, Y'ALL (#20)
Jeremiad --- If the lady is easily proven to be drunk and unable to safely drive a vehicle by such old fashioned tools as observation, there is no reason to force her to "donate" blood to prove it. ---- As far as I am concerned, taking of blood or forced breathalyzers are violations of the 5th amendment.
GrandIsland --- There are a few things, medically, that can look like intoxication. A blood BAC or a breath test is imperative.
Besides, most states write into their law that an operator can't refuse, upon PC for a DWI arrest. Driving is not a right... it's a privledge.
#23. To: Abcdefg (#18)
"why forcible blood draws aren't a violation of the US Constitution's Fifth Amendment proscription against compelling any person "in any criminal case to be a witness against himself".
#24. To: misterwhite (#23)
The court has ruled that the 5th amendment is "a prohibition of the use of physical or moral compulsion to extort communications from a defendant." Very narrow.
#25. To: tpaine (#22)
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No, it is imperative that the States honor the 5th. Constitutional rights
#26. To: GrandIsland (#20)
"If the lady is easily proven to be drunk and unable to safely drive a vehicle by such old fashioned tools as observation, there is no reason to force her to "donate" blood to prove it."
#27. To: misterwhite (#26)
f, as a result of those observations, the person is arrested for DUI, then THEY may request the officer to perform a DUI test to prove their innocence.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)
"I don't care what some corrupt black robe says."
#29. To: misterwhite (#28)
You mean you don't care what five corrupt black robes on the U.S. Supreme Court say. Seems to me that if they're corrupt they should be impeached -- not ignored.
#30. To: GrandIsland (#25)
GrandIsland --- There are a few things, medically, that can look like intoxication. A blood BAC or a breath test is imperative.
You see, this was a condition of the continuing debate. That you aren't the final say in grey areas.
You know as well as I do the the USC has ruled forced blood draws NOT a constitutional violation.
I can't debate you if you intentionally spin facts.
Besides, most states write into their law that an operator can't refuse, upon PC for a DWI arrest. Driving is not a right... it's a privledge.
#31. To: tpaine, GrandIsland (#30)
Driving is not a right... it's a privledge.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#27)
"the defendant doesn't have to prove Jack-shit."
#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)
"What I am saying is that I live by moral code not the law."
#34. To: misterwhite, Y'ALL, ---- Can he, - will he reply? (#33)
Misterwhite (#23)
The law IS the aggregate moral code of society. Given that we'll never get 320 million people to agree 100%, the practical solution is to go with the majority.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Actually it is a right. The right travel. If you can't drive you can't survive or can barely survive.
#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)
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A K A Stone ---- Actually it is a right. The right travel. If you can't drive you can't survive or can barely survive.
GI --- I'm familiar with this concept. I don't necessarily disagree, but the SCOTUS does.
We can't make our own rules based on individual opinions. It's a slippery slope.
#37. To: tpaine, GrandIsland (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#39. To: misterwhite, Y'ALL, ---- Can he, - will he reply to post 33? (#34)
#40. To: tpaine (#39)
He must be so heartbroken about palmdales suspension
#41. To: GrandIsland (#38)
I'm correct in assuming you don't have a drivers license?
#42. To: tpaine (#36)
Nope, they've never really opined on that percise point, if memory serves. -- SOTUS uses the reasonable regulation dodge to avoid such a 'ruling'.
#43. To: tpaine (#41)
#44. To: GrandIsland (#40)
I don't think Palmdale was sudpended. --- It's my understanding he voluntarily quit posting.
#45. To: tpaine (#44)
#46. To: GrandIsland (#38)
Come on Stone, so I'm correct in assuming you don't have a drivers license?
#47. To: GrandIsland (#42)
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I'm familiar with this concept. I don't necessarily disagree, but the SCOTUS does.
It's been ruled by a few different STATE appellate or Supreme Courts.
The USSC would never rule that driving on public roadways is a constitutional right... not even if all the justices were Scalia.
#48. To: tpaine (#47)
#49. To: GrandIsland (#45)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#49)
One more case. I got my license back. Then was pulled over on the way home. The cop said the computer said I didn't have license. I had one it took me thousands of dollars and a lot of running around.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#46)
I guess you would think I'm a bad boy.
#52. To: GrandIsland (#50)
Many times a license that was just reinstated will take 30 days to show the updated status in the states DMV files.
#53. To: GrandIsland (#51)
#54. To: GrandIsland (#51)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#54)
To: GrandIsland My nephew wants to become a police officer. He already went through the academy once and didn't make it.
#56. To: A K A Stone, Y'ALL (#53)
It feels good not to be nervous when a cop gets behind you too. :)
#57. To: tpaine (#56)
When a cop is behind you, it's rational to feel nervous,
#58. To: GrandIsland, Y'ALL (#43)
I'm correct in assuming you don't have a drivers license?
So why would you, after all these intelligent posts, back and fourth... post such a childish retort? ---- My question was reasonable.
#59. To: tpaine (#58)
Your question was only reasonable if you make the assumption that I knew of Stone's license problems. --- I did not.
#60. To: GrandIsland, AKA Stone, Y'ALL (#45)
I don't think Palmdale was sudpended. --- It's my understanding he voluntarily quit posting.
No. He sent a private message stating his intent on the day of his last posts.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#59)
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#62. To: A K A Stone (#54)
He wants to be on the SWAT team. I think he has played to much call of duty and Battlefield.
#63. To: tpaine (#44)
Do you mean after Stone gave him a temporary suspension, he quit LF in a snit?
#64. To: Gatlin, GeorgiaConservative, Deckard, A K A Stone (#1)
She also was in possession of marijuana, ran two red lights.
She was convicted of an earlier charge in 2012.
Officers can take blood from citizens with a warrant signed by a judge. § 724.017. BLOOD SPECIMEN.
Courthouse News Service
More states are authorizing forcible blood draws for motorists suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol, regardless of the circumstances of the arrest. Forcible blood draws occur when police hold down a DUI suspect who is unruly or struggling and medical personnel withdraw a blood sample. Texas state statutes specifically allow the procedure.
Finding that this was “unquestionably a routine DWI case” in which no factors other than the natural dissipation of blood-alcohol suggested that there was an emergency, the court held that the nonconsensual warrantless blood draw violated McNeely’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches of his person.
Except as provided by Section 724.012(b), a specimen may not be taken if a person refuses to submit to the taking of a specimen designated by a peace officer.
(b) A peace officer shall require the taking of a specimen of the person's breath or blood if: (1) the officer arrests the person for an offense under Chapter 49, Penal Code, involving the operation of a motor vehicle or a watercraft; (2) the person was the operator of a motor vehicle or a watercraft involved in an accident that the officer reasonably believes occurred as a result of the offense; (3) at the time of the arrest the officer reasonably believes that as a direct result of the accident: (A) any individual has died or will die; or (B) an individual other than the person has suffered serious bodily injury; and (4) the person refuses the officer's request to submit to the taking of a specimen voluntarily.
§ 724.012. TAKING OF SPECIMEN.
§ 724.013. PROHIBITION ON TAKING SPECIMEN IF PERSON REFUSES; EXCEPTION.
1 Cite as: 569 U. S. ____ (2013) Opinion of the Court
#65. To: GrandIsland (#20)
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#66. To: jeremiad (#65)
#67. To: nolu chan (#64)
#68. To: jeremiad, nolu chan (#65)
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If you are FORCED to waive those rights
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
This is off on a little bit of a tangent. But here in Ohio I've noticed that if you want to use a public defender. Which is supposed to be a right from the constitution. Then you have to waive your other right to a speedy trial. Any idea how they can get away with making you waive a right to exercise another one?
People v Johnson, 26 Cal 3d 558 (1980)
2945.71 Time for trial.
2945.72 Extending time for hearing or trial.
2945.73 Delay in hearing or trial.
2941.401 Request for a final disposition on pending charges by prisoner.
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