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Source: ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: Feb 7, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP Post Date: 2015-02-07 16:29:11 by BobCeleste Keywords: None Views: 52116 Comments: 95 What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted? Does God command us to stand around and do nothing or does He command us to rescue the baby by what ever means we need to use? You decide: Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, "Surely we did not know this," Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds? Proverbs 24:11&12. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 72. #3. To: BobCeleste (#0) The same thing regarding the innocent man about to be put to death: don't kill them, and if you do, their blood shall be upon your head. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-07   20:29:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) The same thing regarding the innocent man about to be put to death: don't kill them, and if you do, their blood shall be upon your head. He's asking about witnesses to an innocent's murder, not the executioner. kenh  posted on  2015-02-07   23:18:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: kenh (#4) He's asking about witnesses to an innocent's murder, not the executioner. How would you separate the executioner from those who stand by and allow it to happen without interfering? BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-09   10:30:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: BobCeleste (#40) How would you separate the executioner from those who stand by and allow it to happen without interfering? Jesus was innocent. Many bystanders, such as John and the two Marys, knew it. Ten of the other Apostles and many disciples knew it. He was tortured to death slowly in public, an innocent man, and he had at least 13 people who knew it. Were they supposed to come up Golgotha and attack the Roman guards? They could have. Should they have? The result would have been their deaths also, and probably the deaths of some of the guards. When Saul went persecuting Christians, were Christians supposed to lie in wait and kill that bastard? Were they? When Stephen was stoned, were the Christians supposed to surge forth and start murdering the Sanhedrin? Had they, maybe that murderous bastard Saul of Tarsus would have been killed early and not been allowed to go on his tear of evil. God did eventually knock him off his horse and close his eyes, but really, wouldn't it have been justice to put a knife through that blackguard's heart BEFORE he got the chance to convert, to kill the murderer once and for all and be rid of him. The world didn't NEED Paul, after all. Had be been justly slaughtered for the murderous servant of Hell that he was before his conversion, God would have just chosen somebody else. Right? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-09   11:41:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: Vicomte13 (#55) Were they supposed to come up Golgotha and attack the Roman guards? No, for the Lord had already covered that in Matthew 26:51 thru 54. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-09   12:28:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: BobCeleste (#59) No, for the Lord had already covered that in Matthew 26:51 thru 54. Were they supposed to attack when Stephen was being dragged out and stoned? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-09   13:13:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: Vicomte13 (#61) Let's get refocused. Here is the original post: What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted? Does God command us to stand around and do nothing or does He command us to rescue the baby by what ever means we need to use? You decide: Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, "Surely we did not know this," Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds? Proverbs 24:11&12. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-09   16:44:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: BobCeleste (#70) (Edited) Let's get refocused. Here is the original post: What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted? Does God command us to stand around and do nothing or does He command us to rescue the baby by what ever means we need to use? God commands everybody: doctor, mother, bystander, to not kill anybody. God commands people who shed blood to have their blood shed, after a legal process. God commands people not to take revenge into their own hands. God permits people to arm themselves for self-defense and to defend others. So, in the case of the baby about to be killed, you have two choices: (1) You can verbally object to the evil laws of the land, pray for the baby's spirit, but not strike violently at the people doing it. If you take this route, you will neither be condemned by the laws of the country OR condemned by the laws of God, for God did not command pro-active violence that will result in your own immediate destruction or death. That is one thing lacking in the Scriptures: Jesus suggested peaceful cooperation with morally repulsive authorities, keeping the mind focused on God. He didn't say whether this was to preserve the life of the oppressed one, or to prevent the oppressed one from committing violence. He merely gave the example. (2) You can take justice into your own hands and kill the doctor. You can't kill the mother without killing the child. Now you have a set of questions that Scripture doesn't answer for you very well. You have killed. You have shed blood. You've cast the first stone, and taken a life to - temporarily - save a life. Have you saved a life? Perhaps. More probably the abortion will take place anyway. You will be punished, and in a state where there is the death penalty, you may be put to death for first degree murder. You're a murderer who has executed judgment without a process. And Jesus will be the judge. Given what Jesus did, and what the Apostles did - how they went to their deaths. Given that the Christians did not murder Paul when he was out there tracking them down and murdering him, but instead submitted to the maltreatment, one might worry. On the other hand, if the child were visible, and men were coming to kill it, and you killed them, that would be justifiable. But in that case, the law would not cage you or kill you. Still, if men of overwhelming force were going to kill an innocent and you did not go in and sacrifice your own life in a blaze of hopeless resistance, God would not condemn you for that. That is clear enough from the behavior of prophets and oppressed people all across the Biblical timeline. So, the crux of your question is two-fold: if you murder abortion doctors, will you be thrown into the fire as a murderer at final judgment? The answer to that probably depends on your mental state and reasons. Maybe yes, maybe no. The Scriptures point both way. If you do NOT murder the abortion doctor, and instead pray and remain meek, will you be thrown into the fire at final judgment? And the answer to that is that you will certainly not be thrown into the fire for that. God never commands any Christian to actively pick up the sword to go out to kill. He permits carrying a sword for defense. He does not command Christians to attack. A comparable situation was the death of Terri Schiavo. Were Terry Schiavo's parents, or any other person, authorized by God to begin to murder the police guarding Schiavo, the medical staff who refused to feed her, the judge who pronounced her death sentence, or the husband who sought her death? You tell me what you think. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-09   17:16:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 72.         There are no replies to Comment # 72. End Trace Mode for Comment # 72. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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