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Title: What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted?
Source: ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: Feb 7, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-02-07 16:29:11 by BobCeleste
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Views: 51730
Comments: 95

What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted?

Does God command us to stand around and do nothing or does He command us to rescue the baby by what ever means we need to use?

You decide: Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, "Surely we did not know this," Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds? Proverbs 24:11&12.

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#8. To: BobCeleste, Stoner, redleghunter, Vicomte13, kenh, wmfights (#0)

BobCeleste

Abortion is not mentioned in the Old or New Testament so he does not command anything for us to do. And vengeance will be for the Lord.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08   19:37:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles (#8)

Abortion isn't mentioned as such, but it doesn't need to be.

From Genesis forward, lives in Scripture are dated from conception. Read carefully: Adam begot Cain. Not "Eve gave birth to Cain". Lives are measured from the FATHER'S begetting. That only occurs as the result of intercourse at the beginning of the pregnancy. The FATHER begets when his seed joins with the woman's seed to create a new person.

As Scripture progresses, we come to the commandment in the Torah that if men fight and strike a pregnant woman such that they cause the baby to suddenly be born, if there's no harm the one who struck has to pay the husband for striking his wife, but if there IS harm, then life for life, etc.

Note well, the distinction is not simply about the mother being struck, the subject is the baby being born prematurely. If two men fighting and one strikes a pregnant woman in his rage (remember, SHE'S not fighting, he is fighting another man) if the baby is born prematurely and dies, the man who struck her is to be put to death. Likewise if she dies in childbirth.

Inducing a premature birth is not what we would call "abortion", but it carries the death penalty in the Torah if the baby is killed, and it carries wound for wound body damage if the baby is crippled.

And then we have several moments in the Old Testament in which God speaks of knowing the man in the womb.

And of course, Jesus comes to be when he is begotten by the Holy Spirit, not when he is born. One baby in his mother's womb leapt with joy at the presence of Jesus in his mother's womb.

Babies in the womb are PEOPLE in the Scripture, And that means that there's no SPECIAL law for them, Kill a baby in the womb, and you have committed a murder, no different than if you lie in wait and stab a man.

Abortion isn't separately mentioned because it's just murder, same as any other murder. Murder is extensively mentioned in Scripture, and Jesus said that murderers are thrown into the lake of fire at judgment. Abortion is murder, tout court. Nothing more to say. So much so, that the Bible doesn't elaborate. Doesn't NEED to.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-08   20:03:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

Abortion isn't mentioned as such, but it doesn't need to be.

Then how can Protestants be against it, Sola Scriptura and all that?

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08   20:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pericles (#10)

Then how can Protestants be against it, Sola Scriptura and all that?

Because abortion is just another name for murder.

The Bible doesn't say "you shall not leap out of an alley to slit the throat of a 73-year-old woman" either, for the same reason.

God forgives people from killing people. Pure and simple. He doesn't make a bunch of rules about who you can kill and who you can't. In the Bible, life begins at begetting and ends with the last breath.

Killing at any point on that progression is murder.

"Abortion" is our name for a specific sort of killing. God didn't say: "Thou shall not drown housewives", but one if there's a movement afoot to drown housewives and it gains a name "Blubwifing", the Bible doesn't have to say "No Blubwifing" for it to be prohibited. Don't kill people suffices to cover it all.

Sola Scriptura does contain the "no murder" clause, and the "begotten by father" terms, and the "cause a premature birth that kills the baby and be put to death clause. And that's quite a bit of Scriptura for the position.

The Catholic and Orthodox position is also Scriptural.

Alas, there are many Protestant Churches now that DON'T oppose abortion anymore, because THEY say what you said "It's not in the Bible, so it's ok". THOSE Protestants are either illiterate and don't know better, or they're liars who do know better.

But the Protestants who oppose abortion do it for the same reason Orthodox and Catholics do: it's murder, clearly, Biblically and logically both.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-08   20:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

Because abortion is just another name for murder.

No, it is not. The human body aborts fetuses all the time.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08   20:56:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pericles (#12)

Because abortion is just another name for murder. No, it is not. The human body aborts fetuses all the time.

When the human body does it, that is the hand of God.

When a human hand takes the life of another, that is murder.

God kills everybody, in time. But God forbids human beings doing it, ever.

Are you really asserting that abortion is not murder?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-09   0:56:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

God kills everybody

What verse is that found in?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-02-09   6:56:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#28)

God kills everybody

What verse is that found in?

I believe that Roman Catholic theology takes that from when Jesus is warning people who to fear; But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him. Luke 12:5

As is so often the case, most who study what God said, in His book, the Bible, disagree with the RC position.

And from 1 Samuel chapter 15, the first few verses.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-09   10:23:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#43. To: BobCeleste, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#38)

Fear is a word that has changed meanings over time. In the Old English they ment it as "revere". Also 'terrible' did not mean 'bad' but great and awesome meant scary or something to fear - like lightning which could kill you if not careful, etc.

I love the way Old English sounds when I read it - it is an Amazing language because it captures the Germanic with the Latin and Greek to balance it out so it sounds harsh and soft at the same time (to my ears anyway) but you need to background to understand the words in more depth and they can be misleading to modern readers.

For example in a lot of the Bible God is also called in the Hebrew "Abba" what can be translated in Greek as "Baba" aka "Daddy" or "Dada" or "Poppa" - like a child would call his father but in English it sounds harsher and more formal "Father". Father these days in modern English is formal though it must have not been back in the day.

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