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Title: The Civil War in color: A world in black and white brought to life as US celebrates 150th anniversary of the abolition of slavery
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... versary-abolition-slavery.html
Published: Feb 2, 2015
Author: Daily Mail
Post Date: 2015-02-02 23:32:06 by A K A Stone
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Some 150 years since Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the U.S., a collection of rare Civil War-era photographs have been brought to life through painstaking colorization. February 1 marks National Freedom Day, honoring the signing by President Lincoln of a resolution which became the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and abolished slavery. The photographs, seen here, depict the battle-weary men who fought in the bloody conflict between 1861 and 1865, either for the survival of the Union or a strike out into independence for the Confederates. Scroll down for video
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#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves in the U.S. under President Andrew Johnson. Not until the 13th Amendment did slavery end in the Union states, i.e., the United States.
Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
After my good Yankee edumakation, I escaped high school thinking Lincoln was the victim of a lone nut assassin, John Wilkes Booth did it, end of story. The congressional debate about the 13th Amendment was recorded verbatim and is published in the Congressional Globe, a forerunner of the Federal Record. What was said, by who, and when, is a matter of record. In the recent Spielberg movie, Lincoln, the congressional debate or speeches were fictional, not that the casual viewer would have known. For the complete Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, see: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?page=browse&c=lincoln For what Lincoln sounded like before Washington speech writers, see below from Volume 3. The below quotes are from 1858-1859, a year or two before Lincoln was elected President. - - - Lincoln at Carlinville, Illinois, August 31, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:7.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext Starts with a bang, page 77. The N-word is not elided in the original. - - - Lincoln speech at Elwood, Kansas, December 1, 1859 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:164.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At page 495, emphasis in original. - - - Lincoln speech at Edwardsville, Ilinois, September 11, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:13.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture). It doesn't negate all of the good things Lincoln did - unless of course you are a southerner or other Lincoln detractor. IMO Lincoln did what was necessary to keep the Union together and that was a good thing to have done (though it may all soon come apart again). Were rules broken, yep, you bet your ass they were. To invoke the attitude of the current Emperor of the Union, sue him. While you at at it throw in FDR as well.
It was not the lingo of abolitionists. It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology. Congressman Lincoln, voting as a man of his times. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AT THE SECOND SESSION OF THE NINTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY, OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, - - - - - - - - - [...] Mr. Webb moved further to amend the amendment, by adding the following, viz: "Resolved, That the price of the public lands ought to be reduced. Resolved, That all white male citizens of the age of 21 years and upwards", are entitled to the privilege of voting whether they hold real estate or not. Resolved, That the elective franchise should be kept pure from contamination by the admission of colored votes. Resolved, That we approve of the granting of pre-emption rights to settlers on the public lands." Mr. Hughes moved the previous question. The question was then taken on the amendment of And decided in the affirmative.—Yeas 35.—Nays 16, The yeas and nays being called for: Those voting in the affirmative, are, Messrs. Blackwell Brown, Buckmastcr, Butler, Carpenter of Hamilton, Cloud, Dawson, Dubois, Dunn, Elliott, Fithian, Frazer, Gordon, Gregory, Hamlin, Harreld, Hampton, Harris, Henry, Hunt, Lincoln, Manly, Moore, Murphy, 237 Nunnally, Owen, Pace, Ross, "Stuart, Smith, TrOwer, Webb Wren, Vandevanter and Wood.—35. Those voting in the negative, are, Messrs. Able, Blackford. Blockburger, Bowyer, Carpenter of v Sangamon, Craig, Hackelton, Hughes, Hunter, Oliver, -Outhouse, Porter, Tunnell, Turney, Wyatt and Mr. Speaker.—16. [...]
So you don't believe in myths? OK then, start debunking MLK. Frankly I don't get your point. Every reasonably educated or well infomrd person knows that most of the "common" knowledge about are FFs are more myth than fact. Most know that to be true about just every historical or pop culture figure to some degree or other. So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life? So what if he didn't like blacks at some point in his life? And so what of he even tried to avoid blacks at some point in his life? Did you know Michael Jordan was an admitted racist at some point in his life? "Jordan's quoted as saying. "................... I considered myself a racist at the time. Basically, I was against all white people."" I wonder if that is being taught in schools?
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort. Here is some memorable oratory: But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now.
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort. You don't see me doing that, do you? "Here is some memorable oratory:" Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
You don't see me doing that, do you? No. Which leaves your obscure point pointless. Lincoln repeatedly spoke against negro equality, he was an officer of the Colonization Society, and he advocated for the deportation of all blacks. Do you claim the existence of something similar with which to debunk or discredit the claims that MLK was a civil rights advocate? You raised your obscure point about debunking MLK without identifying anything to debunk. Indeed, it is not clear that you even know who or what I quoted.
You raised your obscure point about debunking MLK without identifying anything to debunk. Indeed, it is not clear that you even know who or what I quoted. Licoln has significantly more documented pieces of memorable oratory than MLK. Are yo denying that MLK was a flawed man? I don't deny that Lincoln had flaws. Only fools or the willifully bigoted would believe that their great heros were not flawed men. So feel free to sh*t on Lincoln while praising MLK as you wish. I accept the fact that both men did some good things in spite of their flaws. If you still don't understand my point then so be it. I am moving on from this line of discussion.
Lincoln's memorable oratory before he became President is frequently unprintable today. I made no claims about MLK and you were the one who brought him up while making no point. You suggested debunking MLK while failing to suggest anything to debunk. You still have not identified anything to debunk. That MLK was not perfect and was taped by the FBI doing the horizontal bop is common knowledge. You sound upset that he got so much trim. The Lincoln myth has plenty to debunk. I not only identify it, I debunk it. You attempt to divert upon some vague nonsense about MLK. As for MLK day, the South just celebrates Robert E. Lee's birthday and knows that Lee's ancestral estate is the most hallowed ground in America.
You quoted him and in a manner that reveals your reverence for the man. "The Lincoln myth has plenty to debunk. I not only identify it, I debunk it. You attempt to divert upon some vague nonsense about MLK. As for MLK day, the South just celebrates Robert E. Lee's birthday and knows that Lee's ancestral estate is the most hallowed ground in America." As does the MLK myth. The only thing that is nonesense is your pretense of not being a racially prejudice person. Your oratory reeks of it. Why shouldn't the South revere Lee? He was a great General. Walk into any "urban" area and ask the bros if they ever heard of Lee. At least southerners know MLK. Mexican Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo though many don't even know what it is or likely never have been to Mexico. Irish Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day though many have never been to Ireland nor speak the language. Italian Americans celebrate Columbus day while most have never been to Italy and don't speak the language. There is nothing inherently wrong with a cultural identity unless it becomes traibal and exclusionary. I am getting a very strong vibe that you are a racist at heart. What is your problem? Did some white southerner scare you when you were young? Or was it something handed down to you by your parents, family and friends?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Some 150 years since Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the U.S.
#10. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#8)
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect
#16. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#10)
Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
He [Lincoln] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about n*****s?
People often ask, "why make such a fuss about a few n*****s?''
#19. To: nolu chan (#16)
At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
#21. To: SOSO (#19)
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture).
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Mr. Webb to the amendment;
#22. To: nolu chan (#21)
It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology.
#24. To: SOSO (#22)
OK then, start debunking MLK.
When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."
#25. To: nolu chan (#24)
OK then, start debunking MLK.
#27. To: SOSO (#25)
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort.
Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
#31. To: nolu chan (#27)
Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
#33. To: SOSO (#31)
Licoln has significantly more documented pieces of memorable oratory than MLK. Are yo denying that MLK was a flawed man? I don't deny that Lincoln had flaws. Only fools or the willifully bigoted would believe that their great heros were not flawed men. So feel free to sh*t on Lincoln while praising MLK as you wish. I accept the fact that both men did some good things in spite of their flaws.
#35. To: nolu chan (#33)
I made no claims about MLK.......
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