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Title: Does time pass?
Source: MIT News
URL Source: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/book-brad-skow-does-time-pass-0128
Published: Jan 28, 2015
Author: Peter Dizikes
Post Date: 2015-01-30 14:00:33 by cranky
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Views: 19301
Comments: 57

“If you walk into a cocktail party and say, ‘I don’t believe that time passes,’ everyone’s going to think you’re completely insane,” says Brad Skow, an associate professor of philosophy at MIT.

He would know: Skow himself doesn’t believe time passes, at least not in the way we often describe it, through metaphorical descriptions in which we say, as he notes, “that time flows like a river, or we move through time the way a ship sails on the sea.”

Skow doesn’t believe time is ever in motion like this. In the first place, he says, time should be regarded as a dimension of spacetime, as relativity theory holds — so it does not pass by us in some way, because spacetime doesn’t. Instead, time is part of the uniform larger fabric of the universe, not something moving around inside it.

Now in a new book, “Objective Becoming,” published by Oxford University Press, Skow details this view, which philosophers call the “block universe” theory of time.

In one sense, the block universe theory seems unthreatening to our intuitions: When Skow says time does not pass, he does not believe that nothing ever happens. Events occur, people age, and so on. “Things change,” he agrees.

However, Skow believes that events do not sail past us and vanish forever; they just exist in different parts of spacetime. (Some physics students who learn to draw diagrams of spacetime may find this view of time intuitive.) Still, Skow’s view of time does lead to him to offer some slightly more unusual-sounding conclusions.

For instance: We exist in a “temporally scattered” condition, as he writes in the new book.

“The block universe theory says you’re spread out in time, something like the way you’re spread out in space,” Skow says. “We’re not located at a single time.”

Spotlighting the alternatives

In “Objective Becoming,” Skow aims to convince readers that things could hardly be otherwise. To do so, he spends much of the book considering competing ideas about time — the ones that assume time does pass, or move by us in some way. “I was interested in seeing what kind of view of the universe you would have if you took these metaphors about the passage of time very, very seriously,” Skow says.

In the end, Skow finds these alternatives lacking, including one fairly popular view known as “presentism,” which holds that only events and objects in the present can be said to exist — and that Skow thinks defies the physics of spacetime.

Skow is more impressed by an alternative idea called the “moving spotlight” theory, which may allow that the past and future exist on a par with the present. However, the theory holds, only one moment at a time is absolutely present, and that moment keeps changing, as if a spotlight were moving over it. This is also consistent with relativity, Skow thinks — but it still treats the present as being too distinct, as if the present were cut from different cloth than the rest of the universal fabric.

“I think the theory is fantastic,” Skow writes of the moving spotlight idea. “That is, I think it is a fantasy. But I also have a tremendous amount of sympathy for it.” After all, the moving spotlight idea does address our sense that there must be something special about the present.

“The best argument for the moving spotlight theory focuses on the seemingly incredible nature of what the block universe theory is saying about our experience in time,” Skow adds.

Still, he says, that argument ultimately “rests on a big confusion about what the block universe theory is saying. Even the block universe theory agrees that … the only experiences I’m having are the ones I’m having now in this room.” The experiences you had a year ago or 10 years ago are still just as real, Skow asserts; they’re just “inaccessible” because you are now in a different part of spacetime.

That may take a chunk of, well, time to digest. But by treating the past, present, and future as materially identical, the theory is consistent with the laws of physics as we understand them. And at MIT, that doesn’t sound insane at all.

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

Does time pass?

To answer the question, we first have to define what time IS.

The answer depends entirely on the definition.

Time may not even EXIST. It doesn't exist unless we can precisely define it.

I've never seen a definition of "time" that wasn't simply circular.

The word "time" turns out to be like the word "existence": you can only define it in terms of itself.

(Try to define "existence", and you will swiftly find that you cannot do it without using the words "to be" or "being". But then try to define "to be", and you can't do it without using the word "exist".

You end up chasing your tail and realize that you CAN'T define either existence/being or time other than circularly.

Everything ultimately comes back to the definition of the verb "To be".

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-30   15:25:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Kind of like a fish saying, "what's water"

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-30   16:06:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Biff Tannen (#2)

Kind of like a fish saying, "what's water"

Sort of. But we can say "What's air?", and then we can give pretty concrete definitions: air is a collection of widely separated molecules within a space.

We could then make a distinction between air and space by noting that, while there are lots of molecules in space, they are much more spread out. So, we could come up with some sort of quantum of molecules per unit of space to delineate where "air" ends and "space" begins. We might call the envelope of air about the earth "atmosphere", to sound hifalutin', and describe its properties.

My point being the fish in water (assuming it had a philosophical mind), or the human in air (or in water) CAN define water, or air, in fixed terms relative to other things. And each of those other things can in turn be defined in fixed terms. What's a molecule? Well, that's a combination of atoms, in fixed proportion, bound by covalent bonds, forming the smallest individual unit of a compound.

If we were to apply the same concept to populations, we would could say that humans are "man molecules", because humans are indivisible. Sure, we're made up of stuff, but once you get to the level of the "individual", if you nevertheless "divide" what can't be divided, what you end up with is a set of compounds and tissues, but the individual ceases to be.

All of these things are definable. Atoms, in turn, are definable by their constituent parts and proportions, right down to the smallest units of mass. The closer you get there, the more like between mass and energy gets blurry.

But then suddenly you ram straight into the word "mass", and "energy", and you start to run out of things you can define anymore, other than circularly.

"Mass is that which has weight in a gravity field and takes up space."

Ok, so, what's gravity...well, its a property that gives mass weight. Fine, but then what's mass? And the definition become circular.

And what's space? It's distance between objects. Ok, then what's distance? Umm...er...well, it's space. Circular.

When you come to the fundamentals you come to things that can't be defined. They're like postulates in Geometry. Everything true in geometry can be proved from an antecedent truth, until you get back to the postulates: "A line segment is the set of points on a straight curve between two points." But what's a point? Well, a point's a point. You can't define it any further. You just have to accept that it IS.

And there it is, that verb "To Be" again.

Ultimately, you can't define mass, energy, space, time, or existence, other than in terms of themselves. They're like postulates. You can only observe their existence - and state that they exist because they exist. And existence itself? It just IS. These things can't be defined.

One either accepts them or one does not. And if one does not accept them, if they in fact do exist, their existence is independent of the perception of their existence. (And this takes us to yet another sphere whose everything depends on definitions: the mind.)

Indeed, whether or not people agree there's a God really depends on how one defines that word.

Definitions are everything when it comes to language.

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