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Title: Does time pass?
Source: MIT News
URL Source: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/book-brad-skow-does-time-pass-0128
Published: Jan 28, 2015
Author: Peter Dizikes
Post Date: 2015-01-30 14:00:33 by cranky
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Views: 17143
Comments: 57

“If you walk into a cocktail party and say, ‘I don’t believe that time passes,’ everyone’s going to think you’re completely insane,” says Brad Skow, an associate professor of philosophy at MIT.

He would know: Skow himself doesn’t believe time passes, at least not in the way we often describe it, through metaphorical descriptions in which we say, as he notes, “that time flows like a river, or we move through time the way a ship sails on the sea.”

Skow doesn’t believe time is ever in motion like this. In the first place, he says, time should be regarded as a dimension of spacetime, as relativity theory holds — so it does not pass by us in some way, because spacetime doesn’t. Instead, time is part of the uniform larger fabric of the universe, not something moving around inside it.

Now in a new book, “Objective Becoming,” published by Oxford University Press, Skow details this view, which philosophers call the “block universe” theory of time.

In one sense, the block universe theory seems unthreatening to our intuitions: When Skow says time does not pass, he does not believe that nothing ever happens. Events occur, people age, and so on. “Things change,” he agrees.

However, Skow believes that events do not sail past us and vanish forever; they just exist in different parts of spacetime. (Some physics students who learn to draw diagrams of spacetime may find this view of time intuitive.) Still, Skow’s view of time does lead to him to offer some slightly more unusual-sounding conclusions.

For instance: We exist in a “temporally scattered” condition, as he writes in the new book.

“The block universe theory says you’re spread out in time, something like the way you’re spread out in space,” Skow says. “We’re not located at a single time.”

Spotlighting the alternatives

In “Objective Becoming,” Skow aims to convince readers that things could hardly be otherwise. To do so, he spends much of the book considering competing ideas about time — the ones that assume time does pass, or move by us in some way. “I was interested in seeing what kind of view of the universe you would have if you took these metaphors about the passage of time very, very seriously,” Skow says.

In the end, Skow finds these alternatives lacking, including one fairly popular view known as “presentism,” which holds that only events and objects in the present can be said to exist — and that Skow thinks defies the physics of spacetime.

Skow is more impressed by an alternative idea called the “moving spotlight” theory, which may allow that the past and future exist on a par with the present. However, the theory holds, only one moment at a time is absolutely present, and that moment keeps changing, as if a spotlight were moving over it. This is also consistent with relativity, Skow thinks — but it still treats the present as being too distinct, as if the present were cut from different cloth than the rest of the universal fabric.

“I think the theory is fantastic,” Skow writes of the moving spotlight idea. “That is, I think it is a fantasy. But I also have a tremendous amount of sympathy for it.” After all, the moving spotlight idea does address our sense that there must be something special about the present.

“The best argument for the moving spotlight theory focuses on the seemingly incredible nature of what the block universe theory is saying about our experience in time,” Skow adds.

Still, he says, that argument ultimately “rests on a big confusion about what the block universe theory is saying. Even the block universe theory agrees that … the only experiences I’m having are the ones I’m having now in this room.” The experiences you had a year ago or 10 years ago are still just as real, Skow asserts; they’re just “inaccessible” because you are now in a different part of spacetime.

That may take a chunk of, well, time to digest. But by treating the past, present, and future as materially identical, the theory is consistent with the laws of physics as we understand them. And at MIT, that doesn’t sound insane at all.

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

Does time pass?

To answer the question, we first have to define what time IS.

The answer depends entirely on the definition.

Time may not even EXIST. It doesn't exist unless we can precisely define it.

I've never seen a definition of "time" that wasn't simply circular.

The word "time" turns out to be like the word "existence": you can only define it in terms of itself.

(Try to define "existence", and you will swiftly find that you cannot do it without using the words "to be" or "being". But then try to define "to be", and you can't do it without using the word "exist".

You end up chasing your tail and realize that you CAN'T define either existence/being or time other than circularly.

Everything ultimately comes back to the definition of the verb "To be".

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-30   15:25:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

It doesn't exist unless we can precisely define it.

Hmmmmmm.....what is the precise definition of God?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-30   17:21:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#7)

Hmmmmmm.....what is the precise definition of God?

"God" is an Anglo-Saxon word that, as used popularly today, means that which is omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal and omniscient, and good (the actual word itself "god" is the Anglo-Saxon word "good").

Scripturally, there are several words that are popularly translated by this one Anglo-Saxon word.

Three words: El, Eloah, and Elohiym - mean respectively Mighty One (masculine), Mighty One (feminine), and Mighty Ones (plural). The Greek work theos, used to translate these words, deus in Latin, and ace in Anglo-Saxon, all refer to the quality of power.

The words El and Eloah do not by themselves convey the meaning "omnipotent", merely "powerful". The plurality of "Elohiym" MAY convey the concept of ALL might (omnipotent), but may also convey the concept of unified plurality: the Mighty ONES.

The word YHWH - YaHaWaH or some variant - is the third person singular masculine imperfect tense of the verb to live. It means he - a masculine singular - either has the quality of living, being, existing or breathing right now and will continue to, and PERHAPS (but not certainly) also had that quality in the past and still does, or PERHAPS (but not, given context) has not yet come to be, but will come to be in the future.

This word is usually translated in English, in the Old Testament, as "Lord", but the word "lord" was a compound word from "loaf" (as in bread) and "ward" as in guardian. So, the guardian of the bread, was the loward of the house - the lord. But the word hasn't been understood to refer to bread for 600 years. Rather, "lord" means leader, ruler. In the New Testament, where YHWH might appear, the word is conveyed as "theos" in Greek, and "God" in English.

The features of the Elohiym and YHWH as presented in the Old Testament, and further presented by Jesus in the Greek New Testament, incorporate elements of omnipotence and eternity, and contain implications of omniscience and omnipresence (with, however, some contrary suggestions - of God sending someone "to find out", for example, clearly indicated that God was not present at a certain place or possessing of sure knowledge of the happensings there.)

The YHWH of the Psalms fits the Anglo-Saxon "God" - omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and eternal, while the YHWH of the Torah seems a bit less absolute in terms of knowledge and presence. Supreme power is always present.

So, when trying to define the word "God", we have different possibilities laid before us. The God of the Torah is omnipotent and eternal, but neither completely omnipresent nor completely omniscient. He has agents traverse distances to find things out.

The God of the Psalms is everything.

Jesus' father has "numbered the hairs of your head" and "not a sparrow falls without his permission", which certainly sounds like omniscience and omnipresence.

Interestingly, Christian traditions (not the Scriptures) immediately muddy up the word by calling Jesus, who certainly is Lord - meaning the leader - as "God" also, along with the "Holy Spirit", who is said to "proceed from the Father and the Son", or just the father.

The Greeks and the Latins have feuded for a millennium and a half over this question which, alas, the Scripture doesn't care enough about to give anything definitive.

If Jesus was God, then the definition of God cannot include omnipotence, for Jesus said his Father was greater, nor omniscience, for there were things that the Father only knew, nor omnipresence, as he had to come down and go up to the sky. Eternity is strongly implied, however. So, Jesus fits the description of part of the Elohiym, the Powers, which collectively and unitedly are the deity of the Torah, and are spoken of with a singular verb.

This, of course, nicely fits the Trinity. Unfortuately, while Father, Son and Holy Spirit do figure prominently in the New Testament, Revelation speaks affirmatively of the writing seeing THE Seven Spirits of God before God's Throne. Not article free "seven spirits of God", not seven indefinite spirits, but The Seven Spirits, which is as different from "seven spirits" as "The Holy Spirit" is different from "holy spirit".

Scripture seems to tell us that there are at least NINE (9) parts of the godhead: Father, Son, and Seven Spirits of God.

Can one, then, transcend the opacity and impose a solution? Well, sure: one can call all of that "God" - Elohiym certainly does that. Of course, it may then be that this "God" is like "i": imaginary. What we're left with if we do it that way is "t" - the very subject of our discussion: something that MAY be imaginary (as described) or real.

So, all of those are the traditional approaches to this word, God.

None of them interest me much, other than as points to be kept cleanly separated, and points of clarification, and points to bring up when someone asserts an excessively perfect unity and consistency to written Scripture or Scripture plus tradition that is not, in fact, there.

So, that's what OTHER PEOPLE think, but what do I care about that? What I care about is what I think. And here's the truth: A "God" that is not absolute - that is not omnipotent, eternal and capable (therefore) of omnipresence and omniscience (but who may choose to not always fully exercise all of his attributes) - a God who is not those things is not INTERESTING to me. Because such a lesser "god" is not really God at all. It is, rather, another creature. More powerful, to be sure, but ultimately bound by SOMETHING.

And truth is, I am only interested in that SOMETHING that binds such a powerful creature. Jupiter Capitolinus may have been of unbelievable power and strength, but whatever LIMITED him was god TO HIM, and therefore more powerful than him, and I am interested in whatever that limit would be.

This is why I am a scientist, and why I was a scientific pantheist. Absent divine revelation, the only thing that seems to be omnipotent, omnipresent and eternal is Natural Law. Therefore, natural law is god-LIKE. The question, then, turns on the matter of omniscience, or any-science. Does natural law think (other than through creatures such as us and the animals)? If it does, is it able to control all matter, everywhere, for all time? If so, then THAT is God.

God is that which is omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal and omniscient. The Natural Physical laws appear (or appeared) to fit three of those four elements of the only definition of God that is of any interest to me. And that is why I was a pantheist, of the unconscious (or perhaps evolving towards consciousness) Laws of Nature, Nature itself: god, and with evolution to intelligence, eventually God.

That was my God, which fit my definition of God, and which was intuitively observable.

Then an intelligent, invisible spirit capable of comprehending my thoughts and manipulating my physical body reached out of the air and spoke to me, repeatedly, and demonstrated empirically that there is an intelligence which is capable of overbearing the laws of physics.

The quest for tangible artifacts that document that for all to see is what led me to the litany of physical proofs that I provide all the time.

So, the CORRECT answer to "the precise definition of God" is not the imprecise and contradictory wanderings of the different terms in Scripture, but their being brought together in their strongest form, as a written account inspired by that which is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and eternal.

Put differently, that which is omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal and omniscient is God, and if you find something that is those things, that is God.

Natural law fits the first four, but the intelligence of God demonstrates that the Natural laws are not an entity, merely an opinion of that omniscience.

The final piece of the puzzle for ME, that transformed pantheism into theism, was being grabbed and spoken to repeatedly. The pieces that turned that theism into Christianity was the physical artifacts that the Omnscient ruler of the Natural Law left on earth: Shroud and bread and blood relic, incorrupt bodies and healings, coupled with the fact that he never left one speck of evidence like THAT for any of that for any OTHER religion.

So, that's WHAT God is: that which is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and eternal.

And THAT he is, and WHO he is, is proven by the miraculous artifacts that completely override the physical laws of the universe and present facts that cannot exist, but that nevertheless are plain to see, all of which scream the identity of Jesus.

Which in turn requires is to know what we can about Jesus, and we discover from his own mouth that he himself has a God, his Father.

Therefore, THAT is what, and who God is: God is Jesus' God.

And that is the definition of God.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-30   18:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

God is: that which is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and eternal.

Ok, that is what you consider to be the precise denifition of God.

Here is what some others say:

God; noun: god; plural noun: gods; plural noun: the gods

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

OR,

God - noun

1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2 a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

3 a person or thing of supreme value

4 a powerful ruler

OR,

God - noun

noun

1.a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some force related adjective divine

2.an image, idol, or symbolic representation of such a deity

3.any person or thing to which excessive attention is given ⇒ money was his god

4.a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men

5.(in plural) the gallery of a theatre

So there seems to be lack of consensus on the precise definition of God. You may have better luck with finding consensus of the precise definition of time.

My point, if you haven't gotten it yet, is that a precise definition of something is neither necessary nor sufficient to determine if something exists or not.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-30   18:46:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SOSO (#11)

So there seems to be lack of consensus on the precise definition of God. You may have better luck with finding consensus of the precise definition of time.

My point, if you haven't gotten it yet, is that a precise definition of something is neither necessary nor sufficient to determine if something exists or not.

I'm not stupid. I got your point.

My reply would be that if the definitions people use of a difficult concept are inaccurate, incomplete or fuzzy, they will not arrive at truth.

It's very much like those who arrive at definitive theological conclusions using bad translations of Scripture. Sure, they arrive at a fixed point and have text to back it up, but what they have proven doesn't in fact exist.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-31   0:15:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

My reply would be that if the definitions people use of a difficult concept are inaccurate, incomplete or fuzzy, they will not arrive at truth.

That isn't absolutely true either.

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