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U.S. Constitution Title: Police Steal $100,000-worth of Legal Guns and Ammo From Citizen Imagine you get into a loud argument in your home with an adult son. Though its resolved peacefully, the police had been called. They then confiscate your legal firearms and ammunition valued at $100,000. Even though youve been convicted of nothing. Even though you werent even charged. And heres the kicker: The police say theyre going to keep your property. This is exactly what disabled 9/11 ex-New York City firefighter Marc Weinstein alleges happened to him, in a lawsuit, Weinstein v. Krumpter, et al., he filed earlier this month in U.S. District Court for Eastern New York. On February 25, 2014, Weinstein got into a loud dispute with his son over the use of a washing machine in his Baldwin, New York, home in Nassau County. There was shouting between them, contends the suit, but no violence, no threats of violence, and no brandishing of weapons. Nonetheless, the elder Weinsteins wife called the police a decision they both, apparently, would come to regret. The suit further states that the Nassau County Police arrived, found the home at peace, spoke with the wife and son and found that the argument had been peaceably resolved. This didnt stop the cops, however, from asking to see Weinsteins handgun permit and demanding he give them his registered weapons. Weinstein refused and the police left. But that wasnt the end of it. Three hours later, the ex-firefighter found himself confronted by five armed officers. And even though they had no warrant, they stated that Weinstein would be arrested unless he surrendered his expensive collection of firearms and ammunition. He reluctantly complied, he says, under duress. American Thinkers Michael Filozof reports on the rest of the story, writing: The suit contends that no charges were ever filed against Weinstein and that both his wife and son gave sworn testimony to the effect that the dispute involved no violence, no threats, and no brandishing of weapons; nonetheless, Nassau County Police refused to give back Weinsteins handgun permit, his handguns, or his long guns. Even worse, the suit alleges that it is the policy of the ... Nassau County Police Department to confiscate all firearms with regard to any domestic disturbance call, whether such call is valid or not ... and once confiscated to prevent the return of such firearms on any pretense that can be imagined, and either destroying said firearms or converting them to the Departments use without compensation to the owner. [Emphasis added.] The suit names the acting commissioner, chief, several police officers, and the County of Nassau as defendants. It alleges violations of Weinsteins First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights, seeks the return of $100,000 worth of firearms, punitive damages of $1 million, and an additional $1 million for emotional distress damages. This isnt the only outrageous violation of constitutional rights to occur in New York State in recent times. Another inspired an earlier lawsuit, filed on December 17 in U.S. District Court in Rochester, New York, by a decorated ex-New York police officer and Navy veteran named Donald Montgomery. The issue? Montgomerys four handguns were seized under New Yorks SAFE Act gun-control law after he was incorrectly diagnosed as mentally unstable. Fox News reported on the case January 4: His troubles started when he visited a Long Island hospital in May complaining of insomnia. He was discharged with a diagnosis of depression, insomnia and then returned a short time later for a 48-hour stay. The lawsuit says that during that visit, staff erroneously listed him as an involuntary admission, triggering the SAFE Act reporting provision. Those deemed at-risk for owning guns by mental health professionals have to be reported and their names entered into a database. The lawsuit claims Montgomery should not have been reported because he was not a threat to himself or others. The suit says a hospital psychiatrist told him You dont belong here and I dont know why you were referred here. The Daily Caller reports that on May 30, a week after his hospital stay, Suffolk County sheriffs deputies confiscated Montgomerys guns. His pistol license was then suspended in June and revoked three months later. Filozof also reported on the case, adding detail: The allegations in the case are downright scary.
According to the suit, the hospital diagnosed the plaintiff as mildly depressed, and his clinical evaluation stated, Patient has no thoughts of hurting himself. Patient has no thoughts of hurting others. Patient is not having suicidal thoughts. Patient is not having homicidal thoughts
and there is no evidence of any psychotic processes, mania, or OCD symptoms. Insight, judgment, and impulse control are good.
Nonetheless
the local sheriffs department showed up at Montgomerys door
after the sheriff had been subjected to repeated pressure by the New York State Police, who claimed that Montgomery had been declared mentally defective
. Montgomery alleges that the hospital violated his privacy by transmitting his medical information to the State Police without his consent or knowledge. Montgomery subsequently requested a hearing to have his handgun ownership permit reinstated, but the sheriffs department allegedly terminated his permit without a hearing. The suit alleges that police denied Montgomerys Freedom of Information requests to see what information has been placed in his secret file, and that both police and the hospital refused to allow him to correct the falsehoods in his record. The larger issue here, critics would contend, is a statist mentality that not only scoffs at Second Amendment rights, but also involves the notion that constitutional rights relating to search, seizure, and private property dont apply when the matter concerns firearms. Many would also say theres a little considered problem with denying Second Amendment rights to the mentally ill: Our ever-expanding notion of mental illness. With modern psychology continually diagnosing what were formerly recognized as normal faults, frailties or moments of weakness as diseases or conditions of the brain and with some psychiatrists saying, Were all mentally ill (at least sometimes) who among us will be deemed fit for gun ownership? Note also that specious diagnoses of mental illness were routinely used in despotic Marxist regimes as a convenient way to eliminate political undesirables. In fact, with some atheists even saying that religious belief is a mental disorder, one can only wonder: Will a desire to own guns also soon be labeled mental illness? Nonetheless, the elder Weinsteins wife called the police a decision they both, apparently, would come to regret. ***** One more reason to NEVER call the police.
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#2. To: Deckard (#0)
2) Montgomerys four handguns were seized under New Yorks SAFE Act gun-control law after he was incorrectly diagnosed as mentally unstable. Fox News reported on the case January 4 3) His troubles started when he visited a Long Island hospital in May complaining of insomnia. He was discharged with a diagnosis of depression, insomnia and then returned a short time later for a 48-hour stay. The lawsuit says that during that visit, staff erroneously listed him as an involuntary admission, triggering the SAFE Act reporting provision. Those deemed at-risk for owning guns by mental health professionals have to be reported and their names entered into a database. 1) Not just regular officer... but armed officers. How odd is that? lol 2) This is why I removed all my guns from NY by April 1st, 2014, stored them in another state, and only kept my duty gun until I retired in August of 2014. I bet this ex-firefighter voted for Cuomo. He only won the NYC areas. This fella lives in the pro Cuomo area. 3) There is more to this story than is being reported. The only way the NYS UnSafeAct can be used for confiscation due to a mental disorder is if a DOCTOR comitts a patient. (The only reason a Doctor would commit someone against their will is if it can be documented by the doctor that the person is a danger to himself or another.). This fella probably told the doctor he wanted to kill himself. Not from a simple Mental Health Law 9.41 arrest where the subject is treated and released without being committed. Either way... Nazi NY sucks. Anyone living in that nanny state should be evaluated for sanity.
What are you going to do when some armed burglar breaks into your home at 2 a.m.? Call 9-1-1? LOL
Call 9-1-1? LOL I kept my duty weapon with me, 24/7. But yes, I'd call 911 via my portable radio... let them know they have a body to pick up.
#8. To: GrandIsland (#7)
What are you going to do? Beat the burglar to death with your frying pan?
I'd just call for trash collection.
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