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Title: So, you claim to be a Born Again Christian
Source: ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: Jan 23, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-01-23 12:29:48 by BobCeleste
Keywords: Salvation, Christianity
Views: 30747
Comments: 90

Friday, January 23, 2015 Remember me,

Salvation, John 3:3

So, you claim to be a Born Again Christian, fine, but are you?

Are you one of the many, who while professing to be Born Again find nothing wrong with homosexual sex? Are you amongst the 49% who believe there is nothing wrong with two people living together outside of marriage? Are you part of the one out of three that find the killing of a baby trapped in the womb to be morally acceptable? Are you part of the group that believe that Jesus is your friend and not your master? Are you one of the over 50% who say the Jesus did not live a sinless life, deny the virgin birth, or deny absolute truth of the Bible? Well, if you said yes to any of the above, you are not Saved and going to hell.

Let me paraphrase John 3:3 for you, "Be Born Again or go to hell!" Yes that is a perfect paraphrase of John 3:3.

Now let's look at the Greek word philos, pronounced fee'-los, it means dear, i.e. a friend. It is found 27 times in the New Testament, in not one of those verses is it found in reference to Jesus, not once do we find anyone in the New Testament calling Jesus "friend". Not one of the Apostles call the Lord friend. James, the half brother of the Lord referred to himself as "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ". Not James, the half brother of the Lord, but James the servant of the Lord.

In the Greek it is, James [Iakobos], a servant [doulos] of God [theos] and [kai] of the Lord [Kurios] Jesus [Iesous] Christ [Christos]... The Greek word doulos, pronounced doo'-los means, a slave (literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency):--bond(-man), servant. Not a friend, not a half brother, but slave, bond servant, obeyer of all orders and commands given by the Lord Jesus. Yet over fifty percent of all those calling themselves Born Again, claim that Jesus is their friend, not their master, but their friend, not their owner, but their friend. So, how could they have given their life to the Lord? How can they be Born Again? And if they are not truly Born Again, how can they go anywhere other than the lake of fire?

First we are going to look at the only Scripturally defined method of being Born Again, for the Lord Jesus Christ said in John 3:3, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God! To often that sentence is ended with a period, it is and exclamation, it is a matter of fact, it is not arbitrary, it is an absolute, it means simply this, unless you are Born Again, as defined by Scripture, no matter how good a life you live, you are not even going to see the inside of heaven, you are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire with the devil and it's.

look, if you are one of the very many who said some canned so called Prayer of Salvation and did not comply, 100%, with what The Lord Jesus acknowledge as Born Again, you are not going to heaven, you are going to the lake of fire, I don't know how I can be any clearer. I don't care what the pope says, I don't care what so called Evangelical leaders say, I only care what He, who went up on the cross for us, He who left His kingdom in heaven and came to earth to offer us the one and only way to eternal peace and love with Him in heaven, has to say. And if any who disagree ca find Scripture to contradict this dire warning, so be it, let them do it, but as for those who start by disagreeing with denominational garbage or commentary by others, don't waste your time.


Later today, we are going to look at the one and only Scriptural method of being Born Again.

For those who disagree, prove your point with Scripture or offer yourself on a cross for me and I'll consider what you have to say.

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#4. To: BobCeleste (#0) (Edited)

Your postings over the years (the only thing we can know you by) indicate you as a fake pastor, whose taken the mantle on oneself rather than been called. Nothing about you indicates christian. All you do is spout canned verbiage from someone else.

Not to be harsh, but this is the 'person' you have projected via your postings.

I'm sure your a nice guy tho.

What is ACP?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-23   12:53:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Biff Tannen (#4)

Your postings over the years (the only thing we can know you by) indicate you as a fake pastor, whose taken the mantle on oneself rather than been called. Nothing about you indicates christian. All you do is spout canned verbiage from someone else.

Not to be harsh, but this is the 'person' you have projected via your postings.

And what is your Scripture to support your accusation?

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-01-23   13:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BobCeleste (#6)

And thou shalt love the lord your god with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind.

Bob, you've turned your mind off. You refuse to think.

This is not acceptable to anyone, least of all god.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-23   14:36:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Biff Tannen (#10)

And thou shalt love the lord your god with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind.

Bob, you've turned your mind off. You refuse to think.

This is not acceptable to anyone, least of all god.

Biff, I paraphrased John 3:3 as Jesus saying, Be Born Again or go to hell, am I wrong? If so, how?

You continue to make accusations yet you refuse to show me where I have erred in any of my published thoughts.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-01-23   14:53:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BobCeleste (#11)

Yes, you're wrong. You're taking a snippet out of context. They weren't even discussing that.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-23   15:51:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Biff Tannen (#12)

Yes, you're wrong. You're taking a snippet out of context. They weren't even discussing that.

I think Bob's point is within the context of the passage, chapter and conversion Jesus had with Nicodemus.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-23   21:23:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#18)

A precision: One must be begotten again - born means come out of womb, and that's a female function. But one is begotten by one's Father (mother too). And Jesus speaks elsewhere about obtaining God as your Father, in the spirit.

So, when one is BEGOTTEN again, one exchanges fathers for the Heavenly Father, who begets one anew with his spirit.

Hence the bit about "the wind blows where it wishes". Remember, wind and spirit are the same thing. God walked with Adam and Eve in "the breezy part of the day", which is to say, the time when his spirit was blowing in the garden.

Remember that the wind/spirit of God brooded over the waters in Genesis 1. Remember "Pneuma Hagion" - Holy Spirit, is Holy Breath, or Holy Wind.

Remember, God blew breath/wind/spirit into Adam's nostrils, and he became a breather, a nephesh, a "living soul".

When you are begotten again, the Father's spirit comes upon you and he becomes your Father in Heaven (and you are released from your father, Satan, of the earth).

What made Jesus unique is that he was begotten of the Father AND of a woman - so, he was begotten in the FLESH as well as the spirit. The Father is the father of all of us, by the spirit, but Jesus was the "only begotten" in a fleshly, biological sense, because he was also begotten by Mary, a human woman. (If it weren't God doing the begetting, Jesus would be a Nephil.)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-24   9:28:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

Remember that the wind/spirit of God brooded over the waters in Genesis 1. Remember "Pneuma Hagion" - Holy Spirit, is Holy Breath, or Holy Wind.

Remember, God blew breath/wind/spirit into Adam's nostrils, and he became a breather, a nephesh, a "living soul".

When you are begotten again, the Father's spirit comes upon you and he becomes your Father in Heaven (and you are released from your father, Satan, of the earth).

Excellent points. It's right there in front of Nicodemus as he knew the very scriptures Christ was pointing him to.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-24   15:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter (#25)

But nicodemus had no clue about spiritual matters. That's what jesus is trying to tell him.

Nicodemus says, we (the pharisees) 'know' or 'perceive' you are from god because blah, blah, blah.

And jesus says, Unless you've had god's spirit renew you, you can not 'perceive' or 'know' anything about god's kingdom.

Nicodemus didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

So jesus gave him some more.

And nicodemus says, how can these things be? Or what the heck are you talking about?

And jesus says, you're a master of Israel and you don't know these things?

Really, quite an interesting conversation. Note, to translate all this as 'be born again or go to hell' is laughable.

Also, get vicomte to explain how from verse 13 on, it's john speaking, not red letter jesus. That's quite interesting too.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-24   18:10:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Biff Tannen (#26)

But nicodemus had no clue about spiritual matters. That's what jesus is trying to tell him.

Nicodemus says, we (the pharisees) 'know' or 'perceive' you are from god because blah, blah, blah.

And jesus says, Unless you've had god's spirit renew you, you can not 'perceive' or 'know' anything about god's kingdom.

Nicodemus didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

So jesus gave him some more.

And nicodemus says, how can these things be? Or what the heck are you talking about?

And jesus says, you're a master of Israel and you don't know these things?

Really, quite an interesting conversation. Note, to translate all this as 'be born again or go to hell' is laughable.

Also, get vicomte to explain how from verse 13 on, it's john speaking, not red letter jesus. That's quite interesting too.

Well I have to say you boil it down good.

From verse 13 on? I remember that discussion with Vic back here a few years ago. From what I remember, Vic was not dogmatic in his view nor did he downgrade the inspired nature of the text.

However, you missed one part of the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus:

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What happens to folks who don't get to see the kingdom of God? That is explained in verses 13-21 and beyond. Not to mention in all 4 gospels.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-24   20:19:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: redleghunter (#31)

No, I didn't miss it. It got lost in translation.

As to what happens to those who can't see the kingdom of god, they're blind ... Until they can see. Which we and others can help with. But screaming at people that they are going to burn doesn't help any one.

And that's not what was jesus was doing, in john 3 or any where.

Do you think people loved him and were fascinated by him because of threats? And perhaps he even had the right and position to threaten. But we don't.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-25   8:44:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Biff Tannen (#33)

And that's not what was jesus was doing, in john 3 or any where.

Do you think people loved him and were fascinated by him because of threats? And perhaps he even had the right and position to threaten. But we don't.

John chapter 1 tells us the following:

John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.(KJV)

Then this from John 3:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.(KJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-25   12:16:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#34)

We can cut and paste scriptures all day It's not productive.

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees ...

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Tannen out.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-25   13:22:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Biff Tannen (#35)

A most appropriate entry.

The laws and religion of man can be burdensome.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-25   21:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: redleghunter, Biff Tannen (#36)

A most appropriate entry.

The laws and religion of man can be burdensome.

Is it God's command on us to have the laws and religion of man be in perfect harmony with each other? Jesus clearly understood that He lived in a world of manmade laws to which there would be consequences if He did not obey. From what we can tell He obeyed most, if not all of them. Did He not pay taxes when due and urge others to do the same? Did He not tell slaves to obey their human masters? No doubt He was perfectly clear that when man's law was in conflict with God's law the latter was to obeyed over the former. And He preached charity but on an individual basis not on the state. He willfully subjected Himself to the law of man knowing full well that it would cost Him his human life.

Ever society has struggled with less than perfect success to have its moral precepts reflected in its laws. Islam may come closest to achieving this than any western society but I don't know enough about that religion to express a well informed opinion.

For sure, in all western societies some things that are religiously moral are illegal and some that are legal are religiously immoral.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-25   21:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: SOSO (#37)

My point was in response to the burdensome practices of the Pharisees.

They were so into their man-made rules that one each Nicodemus could not see the forest for the trees. I know that is idiomatic.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-25 21:45:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: SOSO (#37)

Did He not pay taxes when due and urge others to do the same?

I thought he said give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is Gods.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-26 00:43:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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