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Title: Libertarians Are Taking Over The Republican Party
Source: The Daily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/15/l ... ing-over-the-republican-party/
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:08:54 by Hondo68
Keywords: Libertarian Republicans, come to an accommodation, national aspirational message
Views: 92876
Comments: 144

Former Michigan Republican Rep. Thaddeus McCotter says his party’s future belongs to the libertarians.

It’s a message McCotter has been spreading in interviews and to anyone who’ll listen. He’s even laid out his case in a smart book, “Liberty Risen: The Ultimate Triumph of Libertarian-Republicans, where he claims libertarians even have something to say to the Budweiser-drinking, boxer-wearing, pro-life, Boston sheet metal worker.

Most Republicans who hype the libertarian moment are libertarians themselves. Not McCotter. He is a Russell Kirk-quoting social conservative. “I’m not a libertarian,” he jokes. “I just play one on TV.” But while fellow social conservatives like Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum slam libertarianism, McCotter believes the GOP will find a way to integrate libertarian activists who care about government surveillance the way it once assimilated evangelical Christians who cared about abortion.

“When I was still in Congress I noticed younger Republicans saying, ‘I am a conservative, but I’m libertarian on some issues,’” McCotter told The Daily Caller. “They hadn’t grown up with Reagan and seen how [conservatism] had worked. All they had seen was the decline of the Republican Party.”

“Now if you read your Russell Kirk, you can’t be both a libertarian and a conservative at the same time,” he added. “But America being what it is, you can be whatever you want.”

In the past, Republicans might have used “libertarian” as a codeword for moderate. Arlen Specter, for example, liked to describe himself as an “economic-fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.” But libertarian is no longer a Republican euphemism.

“Moderate Republicans would like Common Core,” McCotter told TheDC. “Libertarian Republicans wouldn’t like it.”

According to McCotter, the shift isn’t just political and generational. It’s mainly cultural. “The 21st century doesn’t operate top down,” he said. “You wouldn’t let someone else program your iPod. Why let a top-down bureaucracy choose your health care?” The consumer-driven, highly personalized economy will eventually have an impact on a bureaucracy mostly designed in the distant past. He quotes Andrew Breitbart as saying, “Politics is downstream from culture.”

The Libertarian Party won’t go away, he said, but libertarians who actually want to govern will do so as Republicans, like presidential candidate and former 12-term Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Michigan Rep. Justin Amash.

Libertarian Republicans can come to an accommodation with social conservatives, McCotter said — note that all of the above libertarian GOPers are pro-life. Even when they disagree on the substance of a social issue, he argued they can agree federal judges shouldn’t be the final arbiters of morality. He also believes “the failure of the neoconservative movement and even some of the realist movement” and a “war-weary” country gives libertarians an opening on foreign policy by appealing to voters who want to “crush the terrorist threat there without creating a government threat here.”

That doesn’t necessarily mean Rand Paul will be the next Republican presidential nominee, however. “2016 may be too soon,” McCotter told TheDC. “In many ways, Senator Paul has an advantage in that his father was the pioneer, in other ways it’s a disadvantage.”

“Libertarian Republicans need a national aspirational message,” McCotter said. “That’s hard to do, because libertarians are so individualistic.” Purist libertarians will resist, but liberals and conservatives aren’t immune to infighting over ideological points themselves.

If Rand Paul did win the nomination, McCotter doubts many Republicans who disagree with him would sit out the race. He noted the tight 2008 Democratic contest in which Barack Obama upset Hillary Clinton, concluding, “They kept their eyes on the prize, which is the presidency.”


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#105. To: Palmdale (#104)

So where's the rest of the paragraph?

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   12:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TooConservative (#105)

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

That's your fallback line every time you are busted. Therefore you use it a lot.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   13:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Palmdale (#106)

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

That's your fallback line every time you are busted. Therefore you use it a lot.

I typically use Yahoo or Bing rather than Google, but none reach into the nether world of this poster's musings.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-01-21   13:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Palmdale (#77)

"The LP. Read their platforms over the years."

The older the better.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-01-21   14:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: no gnu taxes, Palmdale (#107) (Edited)

I typically use Yahoo or Bing rather than Google, but none reach into the nether world of this poster's musings.

You two really need some supervision while surfing the interwebs.

DDG: "But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

The seventh entry from that DDG search:

Reason: Inside Ronald Reagan, 1975

Halfway down the webpage, you'll find the entire paragraph you were too dumb to find on your own.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   14:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: TooConservative (#109)

Nothing in this explains why you claim that Ron Paul beleives that the domestic immigration policies of France are what has caused their Muslim terrorist issues. He believes that everyone should allow these murdering savages to just do what they want.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-01-21   14:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: no gnu taxes, TooConservative (#110)

Nothing in this explains why you claim that Ron Paul beleives that the domestic immigration policies of France are what has caused their Muslim terrorist issues.

I cannot find it there either. I can't find anywhere Ron Paul said the he believed France's immigration polices cause the Muslim terrorist issues.

I where Ron Paul said that France's "bad foreign policy invites retaliation" in the form of the shooting at Charlie Hebdo.

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

Born Free  posted on  2015-01-21   14:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: misterwhite (#108)

"The LP. Read their platforms over the years."

The older the better.

They're like the Scientologists of politics. Don't talk about the giant clams until you've got the sucker hooked.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: TooConservative (#109)

Halfway down the webpage,

Still terrified to quote it. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Born Free (#111)

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

Or they can use Rand's statement to Hannity, then stretch and say that Rand and Ron share genetic makeups.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Palmy, gaylin, boing flea, mo nu taxes (#114)

Ron Paul is living in your head, rent free, 24/7/365.

Pwned!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-21   15:53:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: hondo68 (#115)

IT'S HAPPENING

Uh huh

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   16:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: misterwhite, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#108)

What is important is which side of the divide you fall on in most cases,the side of "You're not the boss of me!" like some sort of petulant 8 year old,or the side that thinks the government exists to promote their viewpoints and punish anyone that doesn't agree with them. --- sneakypete

Who didn't and doesn't? The LP. Read their platforms over the years. --- palmsnark

The older the better --- misterwhite

Yep, the old Libertarian Party is gradually learning from their mistakes. But no matter, soon that party will be absorbed into the GOP, and you authoritarians will be froze out.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-21   18:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: hondo68, Palmdale (#115)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-01-21   18:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Born Free (#111)

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

For France and Algeria, it's the same. Also, domestic policy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   18:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: A K A Stone (#94)

Issues that I consider important.

Nobody,least of all me,is trying to claim you don't have a right to consider those issues important.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#95)

When he failed to get in line in time to get a pair of shoes, police said, Jabbar decided to rob someone who had the shoes. He approached two men just outside the mall and showed a gun, police said.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/police-teen-killed-at-dayton-mall-was-trying-to- rob-man-of-shoes/30352428

Thanks!

I love a story with a happy ending.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: A K A Stone (#97)

It's not a human it's a nigger.

Same argument.

No,it's not. You just refuse to see it because it doesn't fit with your particular form of PC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: TooConservative (#98)

So did you ever get your wireless to connect to the TV or Roku from the metal shop building 100' away?

I would get lousy reception one day,and none at all the next.

I decided to just quit trying to fight gravity,and bought 200 feet of Cat6 ethernet cable,new ends,and the crimping tool. Lowes had the flexible waterproof conduit on sale at 35 cents a foot,so I bought 100 feet of it and going to run it underground from the house to the shop.

Since I now have the Cat6 ethernet cable,the crimpers,and the ends,I am going to cut wires to the correct length and get away from wireless altogether.

Yesterday I was downloading at 3 megs,but some days I get about half of that. I figure going back to wired instead of wireless will give me more consistent service and be more secure,too.

BTW,I pick up 39 channels with my RCA HD antenna that I paid 45 bucks for. TVFOOL.COM has my closest station at 20 miles away,but the rest are all between 40 and 45 miles away. I get perfect reception with all of them with no booster.

The antenna is mounted about 15 feet off the ground. I cut a piece of aircraft heat-treated aluminum (because it's what I had handy) about 10 inches by 15 inches,and pop-riveted the antenna mount to the aluminum,and then riveted the aluminum to the shop wall. I even ran a triple 10 gauge copper wire from the surge protector attached to the antenna to a 4 foot long brass rod driven 4 feet into the ground,and then ran a CL2 In-Wall Rated (CM) Quad Shielded RG6 Coaxial cable from the antenna to the tv in the shop,cut it to length,and crimped a new end on it.

I wasn't all that trilled about having to buy a 125 foot steel fish tape to I could pull the ethernet cable from the house to the shop,but I found a Klein for 42 bucks,and figured it was a hell of a buy on a Klein and I could probably use it to pull auto wiring and other stuff. Besides,it would have cost me more than that to have hired somebody to just pull the cable for me. Now I have spent less money and still have the tool to use on other stuff.

Since I have been wearing a knee brace the last few days,and may be going in for surgery to my shoulder soon,there is no way in hell I am digging the trench. I just hired a friend tonight to come over and dig it for me next week.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: A K A Stone (#99)

The chromecast seems much better at streaming content from your desktop/harddrive.

Really? I have read that it doesn't offer the flexibility of the ROKU,but to be honest didn't really pay much attention because I already had the ROKU and wasn't going to spend money I didn't have to spend.

Which ROKU do you have? I was using a 2,but then updated to a 3. I plan on moving the 2 out to my shop.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Palmdale (#102)

unborn human baby

A contradiction in terms. It's not a baby until it is born.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: sneakypete (#125)

A contradiction in terms. It's not a baby until it is born.

Stupid dictionaries.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   19:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: sneakypete (#124)

I have roku 3.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   20:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#127)

I have roku 3.

And you like the google chrome better?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   21:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: sneakypete (#128)

And you like the google chrome better?

I use it more now.

I really like an app called videostream.

It seems like most of those roku channels and probably all of them eventually are available on the chromecast too, as apps.

I may just use it more because I have it on the main tv and the roku back int the bedroom.

Chromecast is only 35 bucks so you can't really go wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   23:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: A K A Stone (#129)

You have TV in the bedroom?

Thanks for telling everyone you have no sex life.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-21   23:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: sneakypete (#123)

Nice update on your shop. You won't regret going wired. More snoop-proof too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   3:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#129)

Chromecast is only 35 bucks so you can't really go wrong.

Amazon Fire Stick is an interesting product at $39. I was comparing these units yesterday.

It's tied to Amazon but you can reflash it to XBMC which I always loved.

Faster and more powerful dual-core CPU than Chromecast or Roku with much more flash drive than either (8GB flash). And you can miracast (screen share) anything from an Android phone/tablet.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   3:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: A K A Stone (#129)

I really like an app called videostream.

It seems like most of those roku channels and probably all of them eventually are available on the chromecast too, as apps.

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   4:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: TooConservative (#132)

Amazon Fire Stick is an interesting product at $39. I was comparing these units yesterday.

Huh? I saw them on sale on the Amazon main page the other day for $79. Have they really dropped the price that much in less than a week?

I'm betting more than a few of the people that bought them "on sale" at 79 bucks will be returning them for a refund.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   4:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: sneakypete (#134)

The Fire Stick is cheap to compete with Roku Stick and Chromecast.

They sell a nicer unit called Fire Box. Same functionality but has a voice-activated remote and better hardware for $80-$100, varies somewhat.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   4:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: sneakypete (#133)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

TV's can have apps too. Very easily if they run Android OS.

Much easier is to use a cellphone with Android 2.3 or later (all Android smart phones except the ancient ones) and just Miracast it onto your screen directly.

Many TVs can already do Miracast natively. Your newest TV may be one of them if it is less than 2 years old.

NFC and Miracast in 2013 Smart TVs NFC & Miracast built into 2013 Smart TVs

These new TV remotes typically have NFC and Miracast (Android's answer to Apple's AirPlay). Just tap your cellphone on the TV remote and it instantly takes over and streams directly onto the big screen.

We could check if your latest TV and cellphone are capable. Tell me their brand and model if you want me to search for it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   4:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: TooConservative (#135)

They sell a nicer unit called Fire Box. Same functionality but has a voice-activated remote and better hardware for $80-$100, varies somewhat.

OK,THAT was the one that was on sale for 79 bucks. Thanks!

Sorry for the confusion.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   5:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: TooConservative (#136)

We could check if your latest TV and cellphone are capable. Tell me their brand and model if you want me to search for it.

My new shop tv is a 24 inch VIZIO E241i-B1 24-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED HDTV that has built in netflix,youtube,amazon and other apps.

I just don't understand how I could add more apps to it if I wanted to.

My phone is a LG-VS450PP,Verizon special I paid 79 bucks for.

My house tv is a Samsung 58C500G2F plasma tv.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   5:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: sneakypete (#133)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

On chromecast you control it from your computer. Then it sends it to your Television which has the chromecast plugged in.

It will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-22   7:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: sneakypete (#138)

My new shop tv is a 24 inch VIZIO E241i-B1 24-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED HDTV that has built in netflix,youtube,amazon and other apps.

It's cute, built off a Yahoo Widgets setup they've been using for several years.

I just don't understand how I could add more apps to it if I wanted to.

Most likely by doing a flash upgrade to the sets' OS. I also see mention that in December 2013, Vizio rolled out an upgrade to most Vizio smart TVs via internet to add some features.

I'm never thrilled with these websites from tech giants but Vizio's site is not very helpful at all.

So I think no Miracast to your Vizio TV from your Android phone.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   8:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#139)

It (Chromecast) will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

I thought it would just fling Netflix/Hulu/etc. to your big screen or broadcast a single tab from the Chrome browser on your computer.

That's how it was the last I heard.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   9:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#139)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

On chromecast you control it from your computer. Then it sends it to your Television which has the chromecast plugged in.

It will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

Ok,that makes sense.

I'm guessing it has to be a "smart tv"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   19:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: sneakypete (#142)

Ok,that makes sense.

I'm guessing it has to be a "smart tv"?

No it doesn't have to be a smart tv. It just has to have hdmi port. A usb port would be good to for power, if not there is an adaptor to plug it into wall included.

By the way I actually bought several for christmas presents at 23 bucks a pop. Everyone loved them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-22   21:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: A K A Stone (#143)

No it doesn't have to be a smart tv. It just has to have hdmi port. A usb port would be good to for power, if not there is an adaptor to plug it into wall included.

Thanks.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-23   8:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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