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Title: Egypt's Sisi is first Egyptian President to visit Christian services
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MEMRI
URL Source: http://youtu.be/lXm15UjpapU
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: MEMRI, Coptic News Channel
Post Date: 2015-01-16 11:42:39 by Orthodoxa
Keywords: Egypt, Copts, Sisi
Views: 5631
Comments: 21
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#1. To: All (#0)
He proclaimed to the Christians: "We are all Egyptians." and continued his public protection of religious minorities against the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood. Obama, McCain, and the neo-cons are probably fuming in rage at this, they want every last Christian on earth to be killed -- beginning with those in the Middle East.
He is gutsy, I'll give him that. How long until they just shoot him, like Anwar Sadat?
How long until they just shoot him, like Anwar Sadat? I'm sure there are plenty of radical Muzzies and neo-cons who fervently would like to see that happen. Hopefully, his security is top-notch and he will be able to continue his campaign to bring sensibility and tolerance to that part of the world. His recent speech to Muslim Imans telling them that they needed to shape up was an eye-opener, too.
Very brave. As was the French PM who finally said "France is at war with radical Islam". If only our own Dark Messiah (or that idiot Bush) had the same courage.
In the video, it looked like 300 worshippers and 500 security men. LOL. His remarks indicated he showed up suddenly, giving the Islamists no time to gather to kill him. Those padres sure look happy. And the old one on the left was part of the political process during the uprisings in Cairo. Egypt often sets the tone for much of the Mideast. With 80 million Egyptians, they are the big dog.
Here is a textbook example of his bravery. Merely a few weeks before he marched into a Christian Church in Cairo to wish them "Merry Christmas" and to proclaim that they are just are all Egyptians together, he dared to say this directly to some of the leading Muslim Imans in the world. I noticed that some of them didn't look too happy in the crowd, lol.
I'm trying to recall any major Arab leader who ever said anything remotely comparable. Yet, with the Saudis having taken over funding Egypt from the US (to the tune of $15 billion), it seems unlikely that al-Sisei said this without their assent. The Saudis are relenting on women voting and setting aside some parliamentary seats for them. And perhaps lifting the driving ban. They have sharply curbed the volunteer "morality police" that used to run wild. So the Saudis are changing and so is Saudi-funded Egypt. Both are de facto allies of Israel and don't bother much to hide that fact from their own populations.
If only our own Dark Messiah (or that idiot Bush) had the same courage. Yes, and Sisi managed to go to France and march in protest of the Islamic killers. Obama said that he didn't have time to arrange security... how sickening. Egypt has a man in charge and we have... Obama.
His remarks indicated he showed up suddenly, giving the Islamists no time to gather to kill him. Those padres sure look happy. And the old one on the left was part of the political process during the uprisings in Cairo. Egypt often sets the tone for much of the Mideast. With 80 million Egyptians, they are the big dog. Yes, it was plain that he had a LOT of large security people all around him, LOL. And you are right, the Coptic Hierarchy were also brave during the uprising against the Muslim Brotherhood, including the Patriarch appearing on TV with Sisi and supporting him. And the emotions were something that I noticed as well. Compare how genuinely happy Sisi appears to be with the Christians (and they with him) with how he appears with the Muslim clerics in the other video.
Sure but the Coptics were sure to love him just for showing up.
He needs to remains tough. If you show restraint in that part of the world it can be fatal. Nasser sent Qutb to the gallows, Sissi needs to do the same with Morsi and company. People in the US will whine about human rights when that happens, tough. The Shah listened to Jimmy Carter's nonsense about human rights, and we see where that went. Algeria should serve as the role model, they did what it took, which was an iron fist, which is appropriate for the Middle East.
I agree. I think his telling the Imans that things would have to change was a very good sign. He has already arrested a lot of the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists. I'm sure a lot of their angry fidgeting in the audience was connected to a realization that he has the power to hit back at them if they try anything against him and fail.
A good move for him. He looks a bit like Sadat.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Was Sisi elected or selected by the military? Good find so far. I hated to watch Egypt go down in flames with the Muslim broz.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Selected. Morsi was elected. He was planning a slide to more of a sharia state. The people and the military wouldn't have it. Many, perhaps a majority, reject that sharia path. Egypt is more sophisticated and independent than the other Arab countries and has a large Christian minority.
Many, perhaps a majority, reject that sharia path. Egypt is more sophisticated and independent than the other Arab countries and has a large Christian minority. TC's summary is correct. To expand some more upon it, after Mubarak was deposed, the Muslim Brotherhood was indeed elected to power. They had been Mubarak's main opposition, and so portrayed themselves as victims as well as trying to convince Egypt's Muslims that they were their spokesmen. For background, the Muslim Brotherhood was one of the organizations which preceeded Al Qaeda. It would be fair to describe them as a political arm of Al Qaeda. So once Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood candidate) was elected to lead Egypt, he began to do a lot of things that ordinary Egyptians objected to. -- He began a campaign of genocide against the Copts, Egypt's fairly large Christian minority. Christian Churches were bombed, clergy and lay leaders were killed in broad daylight. Christian girls were kidnapped, and then it would be announced that they had "converted" to Islam and "married" a Muslim. -- He began to institute Sharia law. This included overthrowing Egypt's existing Constitution. -- He began to threaten to attack Israel, and had been aiding terrorists in crossing over from Egypt into Israel. Egypt's military was alarmed. They wanted no war with Israel, they wanted only to protect Egypt. Ordinary Egyptians took to the streets in protest against the Muslim Brotherhood. These were reportedly the largest political protests in the history of mankind thus far, with literally millions of people in the streets demanding the ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood. General Sisi of Egypt's military announced that Morsi had been deposed, and most of the Muslim brotherhood leadership was arrested. Sisi has since led Egypt. Both McCain and Obama demanded that the terrorist Morsi be reinstated. Here is how the Egyptian people reacted when the army stepped in and threw out the terrorists.
Yukon -- It appears this forum is in its final throes. The conspiracy kooks, dopers, anarchists, religious fanatics and libertarian lunatics have driven away posters and made this forum an intellectual desert. Nice job, moderator!
Here's a speech that Sisi made following the overthrow of Morsi.
Yukon -- It appears this forum is in its final throes. The conspiracy kooks, dopers, anarchists, religious fanatics and libertarian lunatics have driven away posters and made this forum an intellectual desert. Nice job, moderator!
Great laydown.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Tough Sisi. Even his name is maskirovka.
Thanks, I've had the pleasure of meeting Coptic Christians and visiting their Churches. They are a deeply faithful people who have been under almost continuous persecution for ages, and yet continue to thrive. Their Church services are among the longest in the world in duration. A typical Sunday service can last from 3-4 hours, and I've seen them extend them all day at times. Their current and preceding Patriarchs (Copts title them Pope) have been brave shepherds of their flock. The Coptic Pope was seated next to General Sisi when he made his announcement that Morsi had been deposed, letting the Christians know that now the army was committed to stopping the attacks against them, but also of course making him a target from terrorists who were outraged. The preceding Coptic Pope, Shenouda II, I had the pleasure of meeting in the past. He had been placed under house arrext for many years in the past under previous Egyptian regimes when Islamic radicals objected to the content of his sermons. I'm paraphrasing, but I recall one interview that he had with a Western news reporter where he was asked if he was worried about his Church because of all of the persecution it was under. He replied that the Coptic Church had been persecuted for most of its existence and yet still thrived. He said that he worried more for Western Churches where people had complete freedom to worship without any fear of arrest or other persecution -- but chose not to do so.
Yukon -- It appears this forum is in its final throes. The conspiracy kooks, dopers, anarchists, religious fanatics and libertarian lunatics have driven away posters and made this forum an intellectual desert. Nice job, moderator!
LOL.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
#2. To: Orthodoxa (#0)
#3. To: TooConservative (#2)
He is gutsy, I'll give him that.
#4. To: Orthodoxa (#3)
Hopefully, his security is top-notch and he will be able to continue his campaign to bring sensibility and tolerance to that part of the world. His recent speech to Muslim Imans telling them that they needed to shape up was an eye-opener, too.
#5. To: Orthodoxa (#0)
#6. To: TooConservative (#2)
#7. To: Orthodoxa (#6)
#8. To: TooConservative (#4)
Very brave. As was the French PM who finally said "France is at war with radical Islam".
#9. To: TooConservative (#5)
In the video, it looked like 300 worshippers and 500 security men. LOL.
#10. To: Orthodoxa (#9)
Compare how genuinely happy Sisi appears to be with the Christians (and they with him) with how he appears with the Muslim clerics in the other video.
#11. To: TooConservative (#2)
How long until they just shoot him, like Anwar Sadat?
#12. To: nativist nationalist (#11)
He needs to remains tough. If you show restraint in that part of the world it can be fatal. Nasser sent Qutb to the gallows, Sissi needs to do the same with Morsi and company. People in the US will whine about human rights when that happens, tough. The Shah listened to Jimmy Carter's nonsense about human rights, and we see where that went. Algeria should serve as the role model, they did what it took, which was an iron fist, which is appropriate for the Middle East.
#13. To: TooConservative (#2)
#14. To: TooConservative (#4)
#15. To: redleghunter (#14)
#16. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#15)
Selected. Morsi was elected. He was planning a slide to more of a sharia state. The people and the military wouldn't have it.
#17. To: All (#16)
#18. To: Orthodoxa (#16)
#19. To: redleghunter, Too Conservative (#18)
(Edited)
#20. To: redleghunter (#18)
Great laydown.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#19)
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