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Title: Ron Paul Institute: Charlie Hebdo Massacre, Like 9/11, Was a False Flag Operation
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URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... lse-flag-operation_823755.html
Published: Jan 14, 2015
Author: Daniel Harper
Post Date: 2015-01-15 17:12:46 by yukon
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An institute named for the father of possible presidential candidate Rand Paul has published a piece saying the Charlie Hebdo massacre, like 9/11, was a false flag operation. The claim comes in piece titled, "Charlie Hebdo Shootings: False Flag?," put online today at the Ron Paul Institute. "The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people," reads the first paragraph of the piece. Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers. It is a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car was the ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later killed by police, and from whom we will never hear anything, and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist. .... Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks? If we believe the official story, the 9/11 attack on the US shows that 19 Muslims, largely Saudis, without any government or intelligence service support, outwitted not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel’s Mossad. How can such intelligent and capable people, who delivered the most humiliating blow in world history to an alleged Superpower with no difficulty whatsoever despite giving every indication of their intentions, possibly be so stupid as to shoot themselves in the head when they could have thrown France into turmoil with a mere lawsuit? The Charlie Hebdo story simply doesn’t wash. If you believe it, you are no match for a Muslim. One wonders what Rand Paul thinks of this crack pot conspiracy theory pushed by his father's institute.
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Is it actually affiliated with Ron Paul or just named in his honor by outsiders not affiliated with Ron Paul?
He established it with leftover campaign funds. I think he made a poor choice for the guy who runs it. And it is damaging to Rand. He will have to answer for it in debates, not a plus for him. Of course, you have Jeb's mom saying stuff like there have been enough Bushes in the White House.
Image Credits: Fox News screen capture of Daniel Halper Roberts is a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. Halper writes: An institue (sic) named for the father of possible presidential candidate Rand Paul has published a piece saying the Charlie Hebdo massacre, like 9/11, was a false flag operation. The claim comes in piece titled, “Charlie Hebdo Shootings: False Flag?,” put online today at the Ron Paul Institute. Halper does not bother to provide a link to the article in question, thus demonstrating his lack of journalistic ethos. If he had, he would discover the true author of the piece in question. Halper and the neocons are so blinded by their hatred of Paul and libertarianism they can’t be bothered to check facts. The real target of the attack is not Ron Paul, however. It is his son, who is preparing to run for president. Ron Paul no longer poses a political threat to the neocons, but his son, who has expressed libertarian opinions on foreign policy, does. The neocons prefer Hillary Clinton or a suitable warmonger in the Republican party. Paul Craig Roberts made valid points in the article misattributed to Paul, but we cannot expect the establishment, especially the neocon faction within, to entertain reality. In the bizarro world of the neocons, it is incomprehensible that the political class would engage in a false flag event to produce a desirable result, namely get a flagging war on terror back in gear and the clash of civilizations on track. Halper, now faced with the facts, should humbly apologize to Ron Paul. He will not, of course, and the war party charade will continue. There is a good reason The Weekly Standard is a financial failure dependent on the good will of Rupert Murdoch and other “conservatives” with deep pockets. It is a propaganda mill for neocons and their policies of murder and endless war. Most people see it for what it is.
Halper and the neocons are so blinded by their hatred of Paul and libertarianism they can’t be bothered to check facts. The real target of the attack is not Ron Paul, however. It is his son, who is preparing to run for president. Ron Paul no longer poses a political threat to the neocons, but his son, who has expressed libertarian opinions on foreign policy, does. Good post, hondo. Attempted smears like this illustrate just how panicked the establishment is getting over a Rand Paul candidacy.
Rand Paul gives yukon a case of the vapors.
Written by Paul Craig Roberts, not Ron Paul. Idiot. A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish. Maybe you should heed that advice.
Yeah,"doan throw me in dat briar patch!". She doesn't make a very good Brer Rabbit.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
'You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another. Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish. Rehab really did a number on you this time,didn't it?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
A gutsy rebuttal, pretty scathing. Halper's reputation will nosedive but Weekly Standard won't care. This may be their attempt to scare donors away from Rand Paul with rumormongering.
And the sun rising in the East is a false flag operation.
I never believed the official story of 9/11
"An institute named for the father of possible presidential candidate Rand Paul has published a piece saying the Charlie Hebdo massacre, like 9/11, was a false flag operation. The claim comes in piece titled, "Charlie Hebdo Shootings: False Flag?," put online today at the Ron Paul Institute." Nowhere is the story attributed to Ron Paul.
Did Paul Craig Roberts actually write this
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Charlie-Hebdo-ron-paul-institute-false-flag/2015/01/15/id/618819/ Roberts pointed in his article that Muslim terrorists like the three who were killed in the days after the attack on Charlie Hebdo are usually prepared to die, but "the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat." But ironically, they left identification in their getaway car, which Roberts said reminded him "of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers." News Update Get Newsmax TV At Home » The 9/11 attack showed that 19 Muslims, without government support, were able to outwit "not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel’s Mossad," if the official story is to believed, said Roberts. Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/Charlie-Hebdo-ron-paul-institute-false-flag/2015/01/15/id/618819/#ixzz3OwcmaaDx Urgent: Should Obamacare Be Repealed? Vote Here Now!
It's good you posted it
The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
Even a Bible-quoting Canary is still a Canary. Harry the Kitty likes Canaries.
Hi Deckard
He established it with leftover campaign funds. I think he made a poor choice for the guy who runs it. It is one of the things I think holds back the 'right' in that it keeps embracing what the mainstream consideres "kooks". I hope it does not hurt Rand Paul but it probably will.
Actually, RPI is far more a left-libertarian organization. Definitely Trutherish on some matters. And Daniel McAdams was in many of those RT videos that Marguerite posted.
To laypeople the libertarians are right wingers depsite their left- libertariaism.
Anyone who says 9/11 was a false flag is dumber than a box of rocks.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
I am not sure what false flag means
Hi Pericles
I support Paul because he is intellectually consistent. Even if I do not agree with him on an issue I can understand why he holds his position. For example, it is illogical to claim you want smaller govt and be pro increasing the war on drugs and spending more on a peace time military which most Republicans are doing and is intellectually illogical. Paul says he wants limited govt and is against the war on drugs and reducing military spending - I find that thinking intellectually logical.
Hi Pericles
It would take at least 40 tractor trailer loads of explosives to bring down those buildings, and months of inside ripping out walls, etc.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
Hi Gary
The design failed to withstand the impact and fires. Frank DeMartini died in the WTC collapse. http://www.legacy.com/sept11/story.aspx?personid=103328
But they weren't designed to withstand a controlled demolition, were they? Oh and Building 7 - NEVER hit by a plane. Infowars reporter Lee Ann McAdoo talks to Rudy Dent, 32 year veteran of NYC fire department and the NYPD, about his incredible first hand experience of the lies surrounding WTC 7. Rudy Dent completely destroys the official statements contained in the 9/11 Commission Report. As as a high-ranking Fire Marshall he was present during the collapse of Building #7 on September 11th, 2001. He is also qualified and competent to describe the controlled demolition of Building 7 and the explosion which he heard triggered the implosion. The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early Oh? Where was his testimony during the 9/11 investigation? How recently has Rudy joined the truther movement? Sorry, your propaganda is old and boring.
Oh, you're serious? It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.
Asked and answered - they didn't want any facts that would cast doubt on the official narrative. The entire 9/11 Commission report was a whitewash, just like the Warren Commission report.
Why didn't the government call him? Why didn't they talk about the drills going on? What about the Janitor in the basement. He is a 911 victim. is he a liar? Remember God tells you to not be "willingly ignorant".
Because there are none that confirms the story the government told. You haven't brought up any evidence. Usually just a snarky comment. Like the list that deckard put up. You have no answer to it. Why don't you have an answer to it? Because you can't address the points he made in a rational fashion. Maybe 911 wasn't an inside job. But there sure are a lot of unanswered questions. Like why is the wtc the only steel building in history to collapse because of fire. The buildings were stable after the plane hit them. If they were weakened by the planes. They would have had that part of the building fall over. Path of least resistance. Not collapse in a free fall. Building 7 wasn't even hit and it collapsed too. You have zero answer to that. You can't answer it. I will repeat you can't answer it.
I don't dispute that. Buy why did they allow 4 hijacked planes to fly on a joy rider all the way to Ohio without being intercepted. If they were real terrorists. i would think that they would have went straight to the target. Not go for a joy ride across several states first. I would think that they would be thinking get to the target before they intercept us afterall we have 4 hijacked planes. I guess that wasn't as important as them intercepting a lone private plane with that famous golfer on it. You think that passes the smell test? So far all you have offered is something we agree on. Planes crashed into wtc buildings and people saw them.
You are contradicting yourself. "Because there are none that confirms the story the government told."
Is that the best you can do? Seriously? lol
How did Bush see the first plane hit the towers? He said he did at least twice. Then he says he said "that must be one terrible accident". First off who would think it was an accident? He was lying and came up with that stroy obviously. Now if you think he made a boo boo and got confused with the second plane. Then tell me this and I have never made this point before and never seen it made before it just came to me. His saying he thought it must have been a terrible accident. Even say he was stupid and thought it was an accident. No one would have thought it was an accident on the second time. The first time wasn't on TV so he could have only seen the second one unless he was watching some CIA TV. So tell me now why would bush think it was an accident on the second hit also. This proves he is a liar. If you can't see it you are remaining willingly ignorant. W
Experts in all areas are questioning the official "fairy tale" about 9/11 Over 1400 Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report
You made the claim. Read the following and get back to me, okay? If you need assistance in understanding any of the presented let me know and I'll do what I can to help. www.tms.org/pubs/journals...112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
You can't address Deckards point can you? Just like you are accusing Bob of. You just don't want to answer it. Because you have no good answer. That's ok I knew you couldn't. Thanks for proving my point.
Already answered many times. I can't help it if he and you are unable and unwilling to absorb information. Here's more for you to digest....if you are capable.
googling something and coming up with a link is not an answer. I can tell I am going to get bored with you real quick.
Why did they ignore the dozens of firemen and first responders who heard explosions? What about the molten steel that lasted for weeks afterward?
What about the molten steel that lasted for weeks afterward? He is just going to post some link he googled and didn't even read. He isn't capable of answering your legitimate questions.
Your failure to read the provided materials only proves your disinterest in increasing your knowledge and finding the truth. I won't waste my time further on you.
I think you accidently posted to me instead of Yukon. Since Yukon doesn't want to increase his knowledge or find the truth. Yukon ignored question 40.
Who ignored them? Do you know how many items can explode in a fire?
No you don't.
I'm sure you've seen the video with poofs of smoke shooting out of the wtc prior to collapse. What caused these multiple explosions on multiple floors? I'm sure someone can pull up the video. You still never answered a simple question that I asked about Bush and how he saw the first plane hit. No more questions of yours will I answer until you answer. Fair is fair.
You for one.
The fact that he remained at the school instead of being whisked away by the Secret Service is telling in itself. The Secret Service at Booker Elementary: The Dog That Did Not Bark The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target. The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else. But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark. Also, as you alluded, Bush somehow magically saw the first plane hit the tower. Bush at Booker Elementary THE VIDEO THAT PROVES 9/11 WAS NOT A SURPRISE You may have heard the strange story of how George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on a television in Booker Elementary School before going into a classroom to hear some children read. This is a strange story because there were no live broadcasts of this impact. Still stranger was Bush's reaction on being told of the second impact by chief of staff Andrew Card. There was none. Bush simply went on with the school visit and listened to children reading about a pet goat. For twenty minutes. What caused these multiple explosions on multiple floors? No, I've seen them as the collapse begins and progresses. Who says there were multiple explosions on multiple floors. There are all kinds of items that will "explode" in a fire. Why do you believe there are warnings on aerosol cans to keep away from heat and fire. DO NOT INCINERATE. Please do a little research and stop embarrassing yourself.
Yeah those were aerosol cans popping out of the side of the building. That is a perspective I have not seen yet.
Please list all those people who heard and witnessed explosions caused by planted bombs. I've researched the 9/11 disaster extensively for well over 10 years and I've yet to find one witness to a bomb exploding in the WTC.
Who claimed that? You're a waste of time.
He's ridiculing you, pea brain.
Bombs blew up the buildings. The plane crashes were holograms. All the passengers are now in sweat camps in Asia making cheap products for Walmart.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
He's incapable of rational discourse as are the majority of truthers.
William Rodriguez
You really believe that crap? lol
That is why you wont answer the Bush seeing first plane. Ok I'm bored with you. You have nothing to add.
Did he describe the bomb he saw?
There are entire coffee table books dedicated to Bushisms. Why didn't all you truther investigators ask him about it on 10/12/2001?
"Research" isn't your strong suit is it. What Bomb? What Testimony? Firefighters, Paramedics and Emergency Medical Technicians say they heard Bombs going off in the WTC There's more if you're actually interested
"Research" isn't your strong suit is it. Yes it is. Not one of your "witnesses" described a bomb. They described explosions that SOUNDED LIKE a bomb exploding. You'll have to do better in the future. If you'd like I can refer you to real scientific investigations.
Ohio? A known hijacked jet flew for ~30 minutes towards Washington DC and not only was it not intercepted - THERE IS NO PICTURE OF IT- or there is and it hasn't been published. Imagine that. After the towers were hit, a *KNOWN HIJACKED AIRPLANE* flew towards the center of the BIGGEST SUPERPOWER ON EARTH - for 30 minutes -who had just fought a cold war with a nuclear powered nation. And it was piloted by a man who was told he couldn't rent a Cessna because he couldn't control it. Then this magic pilot *overflew* the Pentagon and made a descending 270 degree turn and flew into the first floor of the center of the worlds most powerful defense headquarters. Not a shot fired, not a single picture exists. We're supposed to believe there aren't any anti aircraft batteries in DC? LOL! It's absurd. Completely batsh*t absurd.
Don't look now but while you pick nits your nation has been looted.
It's absurd. Looks like a person that was barely competent to fly that type of aircraft, doesn't it? Do you ever wonder if the Pentagon was the intended target?
Try to remain focused on the thread contents, okay?
They happened to be sent out on patrol over the Atlantic that day. Then their website happened to be scrubbed the next day to say that it wasn't responsible for air defenses over Washington DC.
There was a power down at the wtc prior to 911. Marvin Bush's company just happened to do security for the wtc and the airliner who crashed into wtc.
If it is nonsense. Then answer me just one question please. Bush on the white house site there is text. On the net there is video. He said he saw the first plane hit and he thought what a terrible accident. Did you think it was a terrible accident. Who in their right mind thinks a plane running into the wtc could be an accident. Bush himself said he saw on tv the first plane hit. Did you see the first plane hit on tv? I didn't. Because it wasn't on tv live. When Bush said he thought it was a terrible accident. That means the first plane. You think that passes the smell test? People are free to come to the site and discuss issues. If some discussion makes people uncomfortable. If they decide to leave. That is their prerogative. This is my opinion. Should I hide it and pretend it isn't so maybe a few more people post here?
That is nonsense. I saw on Good Morning America that the planes were on patrol over the atlantic. No one thought they came from across the ocean. They were tracked the whole time.
You can believe whatever you want. But I am just curious. Do you think JFK was killed by lone gunman Lee Harvey Oswald?
Gee whiz man, Bush ADMITTED that he saw the first plane hit!
Don't you ever research anything for yourself? You just spew CT kook nonsense.
I did research one thing. No ones account here has ever been hacked.
Uh, no. Do you know who was head of security at the time? Do you have any opinions that didn't come directly from a government approved source?
Yeah, and no one has ever changed or added filth to article titles. You'll never change, will you? Matthew 23:27-28 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Don't get SOD started on that one!
Ironically, the latest broadcast from 911 Free Fall/NoLies radio.com deals with this exact topic. It's an audio interview with Robin Hordon, a former air traffic controller. This is a Must Hear Interview! http://noliesradio.org/archives/94303 Robin Hordon on Civil Informationing Robin Hordon is a former air traffic controller, a 9/11 Truth activist, and writer. In this episode of 9/11 Free Fall he speaks from his own professional experience about the alleged failure of U.S. air defenses on 9/11, and about “civil informationing”, which is a more calculated and strategic approach to educating others about the 9/11 Truth information All of 911 Free Fall's interviews are highly recommended. Excellent information. https://www.youtube.com/user/911freefall/videos
“Conspiracy theory” is a term that at once strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs. Conspiracy theory’s acutely negative connotations may be traced to liberal historian Richard Hofstadter’s well-known fusillades against the “New Right.” Yet it was the Central Intelligence Agency that likely played the greatest role in effectively “weaponizing” the term. In the groundswell of public skepticism toward the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the CIA sent a detailed directive to all of its bureaus. Titled “Countering Criticism of the Warren Commission Report,” the dispatch played a definitive role in making the “conspiracy theory” term a weapon to be wielded against almost any individual or group calling the government’s increasingly clandestine programs and activities into question. This important memorandum and its broad implications for American politics and public discourse are detailed in a forthcoming book by Florida State University political scientist Lance de-Haven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America. Dr. de-Haven-Smith devised the state crimes against democracy concept to interpret and explain potential government complicity in events such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the major political assassinations of the 1960s, and 9/11. “CIA Document 1035-960” was released in response to a 1976 FOIA request by the New York Times. The directive is especially significant because it outlines the CIA’s concern regarding “the whole reputation of the American government” vis-à-vis the Warren Commission Report. The agency was especially interested in maintaining its own image and role as it “contributed information to the [Warren] investigation.” The memorandum lays out a detailed series of actions and techniques for “countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries.” For example, approaching “friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors)” to remind them of the Warren Commission’s integrity and soundness should be prioritized. “[T]he charges of the critics are without serious foundation,” the document reads, and “further speculative discussion only plays in to the hands of the [Communist] opposition.” The agency also directed its members “[t]o employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose.”
I will be on Nexus's side I'm sure if you start talking about crisis actors at Boston and stuff like that. I don't buy into everything that is being pedaled.
How about Sandy Hook? The people on Flight 77 and 93? All the first responders and victims?
You've got to admit, there's something fishy with that event as well. Boston Bombing: Was Tamerlan Tsarnaev a CIA Asset They Cashed In? We know that Tamerlan’s uncle Ruslan Tsarni was a Big Oil exec with ties to the CIA. He had been a contractor for them from 1996-1998 via USAID. We also know that the CIA is funding the Chechen separatists/terrorists much like they are doing in Syria and did recently in Libya. Same for Yugoslavia some time ago and Nicaragua before that. We know that Tamerlan was fingered by the Russians back in 2011 for being involved with these CIA backed terrorists and the FBI “checked him’ and of course, once they found out he was a CIA asset, they cleared him. But he was put on the terrorist watchlist anyway. Somehow, he was still able to board a flight out of the country back to his native soil and he stay there from Jan. 2012 thru July of 2012. While he was there, it is reported, he attended a conference sponsored by the Fund of Caucasus, a “pro-democracy” NGO in Georgia and Russia. It’s claimed he was “radicalized” by our CIA linked terrorists during that time. His mother, father and even the Big Oil/CIA linked uncle admit that Tamerlan had been approached and was being “mentored” by a mysterious Muslim convert named “Misha” for the past few years. Was Tamerlan an asset being groomed to return to his home and help neoliberalize it? Was he the next “Screwball” character or is that role going to be played by his multimillionaire uncle? Did they cash him in along with his brother in order to advance their “greater good” agenda? Did their own uncle sign-off on it? ***** Whatever you believe happened, they used the event as a test case for martial law.
I don't think Sandy Hook or Paris was staged. I think that is goofball stuff.
I didn't. Because it wasn't on tv live. Bush has a feather up his ars. I thought he was visiting an elementary school when it happened.
I think that is goofball stuff. Pray tell who would have the ability to plan, fund, stage, execute and cover 9/11?
Oh and Building 7 - NEVER hit by a plane. I'm a former demolitionist, and a friend of mine was a chemist who worked on C-4. I stand by my statement.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
He was. He saw it on TV just like the rest of us.
CIA. Only the government could insure that planes could fly around for an hour or so and not be intercepted. Those hijackers must have been pretty confident not attack the target right away and go on a little joy ride first. If I was a terrorist I would go straight for the target because I wouldn't want to get shot down. Lots of sheeple who will believe anything the government says. This had always been a good country for so long that some people refuse to even consider it.
That is ok Gary. I just disagree or at least have lots of doubts. I don't think I am as dumb as a box of rocks though.
Yeah he saw the first plane hit the towers just like the rest of us. He thought it was a terrible accident. Just like everyone else.
You've dead wrong. A close relative of my wife Is a high ranking 20+ year Spetsnaz veteran, with many tours in the Chechen area. You don't have a clue what you are stating.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
I don't think I am as dumb as a box of rocks though. As I stated, and my friend agreed, it would take at least 40 tractor trailer loads of high grade explosives and months of demolition work within the WTC buildings to bring them down with explosives.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
If I was a terrorist I would go straight for the target because I wouldn't want to get shot down. Lots of sheeple who will believe anything the government says. Think about it.......How many people would need to be involved in an operation of that magnitude? How do you know what the real targets were? You were planning to die either way. Would you knowingly drive the wrong way on an interstate highway at 120 mph? Why not? Because it would likely get you killed....but maybe it is your intention to die and kill others. Lots of us actually do the research to find the truth while others for money, attention or fame try to promote conspiracy theories.
Gary, glad to see you posting again.
Just a few to take over the plane remote controlly. A few people to plant some explosives. Then have someone else murder them.
Jet fuel works better. It melts I beams. ;)
They were just reporting what the government told them. Years later.
You're a real comedian!!
Gary,you are wasting your time trying to convince True Believers they are wrong. It would be easier to turn the Pope into a Hindu.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No, jet fuel simply weakens the beams.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
Sneakypete, True. Last year at our annual get together the engineers had a big laugh.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
Ouch ! That's gonna leave a mark, LOL !!
I can imagine they did. Engineers are genetically predisposed to look at facts before coming to conclusions when it comes to things like that.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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An institute named for the father of possible presidential candidate Rand Paul
#2. To: Pericles (#1)
#3. To: yukon, is Ready for Hillary, Weakling Standard of Iran, Unfair Unbalanced, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#0)
Neocon Falls for Press TV Misattribution, Attacks Ron Paul
Sloppy journalism by Iranian news service gets Weekly Standard in a lather
Daniel Halper, a neocon journo over at the financial failure The Weekly Standard, has attributed an article penned by Paul Craig Roberts to former Congressman Ron Paul.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
#5. To: hondo68, Y'ALL (#3)
#6. To: tpaine, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#5)
Attempted smears like this illustrate just how panicked the establishment is getting over a Rand Paul candidacy.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: hondo68 (#6)
#8. To: yukon (#0)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#9. To: TooConservative (#2)
Of course, you have Jeb's mom saying stuff like there have been enough Bushes in the White House.
#10. To: Deckard (#8)
#11. To: yukon (#7)
Leviticus 19:11
#12. To: sneakypete (#11)
#13. To: hondo68 (#3)
Daniel Halper, a neocon journo over at the financial failure The Weekly Standard, has attributed an article penned by Paul Craig Roberts to former Congressman Ron Paul.
#14. To: yukon (#0)
Ron Paul Institute: Charlie Hebdo Massacre, Like 9/11, Was a False Flag Operation
#15. To: rlk (#14)
#16. To: all (#0)
But neither did I believe any of the conspiracy theories
I had my own conspiracy theory about it
But in this case, I think the author of the article is wrong
And I don't think Ron Paul's name should be attached to it
Let Ron Paul speak for himself, that way we know what he actually thinks
#17. To: Palo Verde (#16)
And I don't think Ron Paul's name should be attached to it Let Ron Paul speak for himself, that way we know what he actually thinks
#18. To: Deckard (#8)
Written by Paul Craig Roberts, not Ron Paul.
Is that something you know as a fact?
I knew it was not Ron Paul
I think the author of it is mistaken
Whoever did write it has lost credibility with me
#19. To: Palo Verde (#18)
Did Paul Craig Roberts actually write this
#20. To: yukon (#17)
I found it very interesting to read
The author got a chance to make all his points
but when I finished reading it, I knew by intuition he was wrong
Love Palo
#21. To: Palo Verde, yukon (#20)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#22. To: sneakypete, Hondo68 (#11)
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
(Edited)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#25. To: Deckard (#21)
I love Ron Paul
and I campaigned tirelessly to get him elected President
but I did not succeed
I think it would have been best for our country and the world
if he had been President
but obviously our fate lie in another direction
I really do not know how our country and the world can be saved now
When Edward Snowden did that courageous patriotic thing
I thought "this will save our country"
But so far it has not
And yet I continue to have full faith that our country and world will be saved
I just have no idea how it will happen?
Love Palo
#26. To: TooConservative (#2)
#27. To: Pericles (#26)
It is one of the things I think holds back the 'right' in that it keeps embracing what the mainstream consideres "kooks". I hope it does not hurt Rand Paul but it probably will.
#28. To: TooConservative (#27)
#29. To: All (#0)
#30. To: GarySpFC (#29)
Anyone who says 9/11 was a false flag is dumber than a box of rocks.
But I never believed Arabs had anything to do with 9/11
So I guess this make me dumber than a box of rocks :)
I forgot how stupid I am
I haven't been on a forum in 5 years
:)
Love and kisses, Palo
#31. To: Pericles (#26)
.... I hope it does not hurt Rand Paul but it probably will.
I want Rand Paul to be our next President
I think it wwuld be good for our country
I've been a political drop out for past 4 years
So I am not as savvy as the rest of you
Seems to me the more practice Rand Paul has in answering unpleasant questions
the better
It gives him an opportunity to say what he thinks and where he stands
People get a better chance to know him
Love Palo
#32. To: Palo Verde (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: Pericles (#32)
Paul says he wants limited govt and is against the war on drugs and reducing military spending - I find that thinking intellectually logical.
I too want to stop the war on drugs, and let everyone in prison for drugs be free
As for the military budget, I guess I would cut 90 per cent of it. Let it be 10 per cent of what it is
Also get rid of CIA, FBI, NSA
Seems to me most of this is what Ron Paul promised to do on his second day in Office if elected President
But he didn't win the GOP nomination for Prez
I do think this new election now will go to GOP
I will vote for Rand Paul in the primaries
But I have no idea who will win the primaries and be the GOP candidate for Prez
I actually think this year an independent Party could win if both major Parties run candidates who will continue the status quo
As no one seems to like the direction our country is going now
Love Palo
#34. To: Palo Verde (#30)
#35. To: GarySpFC (#34)
Of course you are right
Love Palo
#36. To: GarySpFC (#34)
#37. To: Excalibur, GarySpFC (#36)
#38. To: yukon, Excalibur, GarySpFC (#37)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#39. To: Deckard (#38)
As as a high-ranking Fire Marshall
#40. To: yukon, Excalibur (#39)
Where was his testimony during the 9/11 investigation?
The (9/11)investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#41. To: Deckard (#40)
#42. To: yukon (#41)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#43. To: yukon (#39)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
#45. To: yukon (#44)
So why aren't you more aware of all the other eyewitness reports, analysis by demolition, structural, fire and architectural experts?
#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)
#47. To: yukon (#46)
The government told us what many eyewitnesses told us. Planes crashed into the WTC, Pentagon and the ground in Pennsylvania. If you don't want to believe that, fine, I don't care. When you can provide evidence proving otherwise, ping me.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#47)
I don't dispute that.
#49. To: yukon (#48)
I don't dispute that. You are contradicting yourself. "Because there are none that confirms the story the government told."
#50. To: yukonk, deckard (#48)
(Edited)
#51. To: yukon (#44)
So why aren't you more aware of all the other eyewitness reports, analysis by demolition, structural, fire and architectural experts?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)
Is that the best you can do?
#53. To: yukon (#52)
Is that the best you can do? You made the claim.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
You can't address Deckards point can you?
#55. To: yukon (#54)
#56. To: yukon (#54)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#57. To: Deckard (#56)
Why did they ignore the dozens of firemen and first responders who heard explosions?
#58. To: A K A Stone (#55)
I can tell I am going to get bored with you real quick.
#59. To: yukon (#58)
Your failure to read the provided materials only proves your disinterest in increasing your knowledge and finding the truth. I won't waste my time further on you.
#60. To: Deckard (#56)
Why did they ignore the dozens of firemen and first responders who heard explosions?
#61. To: A K A Stone (#59)
I think
#62. To: yukon Deckard (#60)
Who ignored them? Do you know how many items can explode in a fire?
#63. To: yukon (#60)
Who ignored them?
#64. To: A K A Stone (#62)
(Edited)
You still never answered a simple question that I asked about Bush and how he saw the first plane hit.
1913: Congress authorized permanent [Secret Service] protection of the President and the statutory authorization for President-elect protection. [secretsevice.gov] Bush Saw The First Plane Hit! Advanced Knowledge of 9/11
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)
I'm sure you've seen the video with poofs of smoke shooting out of the wtc prior to collapse.
#66. To: yukon (#65)
Why do you believe there are warnings on aerosol cans to keep away from heat and fire
#67. To: A K A Stone (#63)
You for one.
#68. To: A K A Stone (#66)
those were aerosol cans popping out of the side of the building.
#69. To: yukon (#68)
#70. To: yukon (#68)
#71. To: Fred Mertz (#69)
#72. To: yukon (#67)
I've researched the 9/11 disaster extensively for well over 10 years and I've yet to find one witness to a bomb exploding in the WT
#73. To: no gnu taxes (#70)
The plane crashes were holograms.
#74. To: yukon (#71)
He's incapable of rational discourse as are the majority of truthers.
#75. To: no gnu taxes (#70)
#76. To: A K A Stone (#72)
William Rodriguez
#77. To: A K A Stone (#74)
That is why you wont answer the Bush seeing first plane.
#78. To: A K A Stone, Deckard, yukon (#74)
#79. To: Nexus6 (#78)
#80. To: yukon (#67)
I've researched the 9/11 disaster extensively for well over 10 years and I've yet to find one witness to a bomb exploding in the WTC.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3447
9/11: Paul Lemos testimony - WTC explosions bombs during collapse
New 9/11 Eyewitness Evidence of Bombs at WTC
9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC lobby
#81. To: Operation 40 (#80)
#82. To: A K A Stone (#47)
(Edited)
why did they allow 4 hijacked planes to fly on a joy rider all the way to Ohio without being intercepted.
Actual flight path of AA 77
#83. To: yukon (#81)
#84. To: Operation 40 (#82)
Actual flight path of AA 77
#85. To: Operation 40 (#83)
#86. To: Operation 40 (#82)
270 degree turn and flew into the first floor of the center of the worlds most powerful defense headquarters. Not a shot fired, not a single picture exists. We're supposed to believe there aren't any anti aircraft batteries in DC? LOL!
#87. To: Nexus6 (#78)
No bombs went off on 9-11. No controlled demolition. You would have to believe that years of intrusive preparation to a continuously occupied set of buildings by hundreds of workers would have gone totally unnoticed.
#88. To: A K A Stone (#86)
#89. To: Nexus6 (#78)
This CT insanity is going to drive any rational person away from your site.
#90. To: yukon (#88)
No, they were scrambled to intercept. The hijacked planes were assumed to be headed into the US from across the Atlantic.
#91. To: Nexus6 (#78)
#92. To: yukon (#77)
There are entire coffee table books dedicated to Bushisms.
Bush Saw The First Plane Hit! Advanced Knowledge of 9/11
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#93. To: A K A Stone (#90)
That is nonsense
#94. To: yukon (#93)
#95. To: Nexus6 (#78)
You would have to believe that years of intrusive preparation to a continuously occupied set of buildings by hundreds of workers would have gone totally unnoticed.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#96. To: A K A Stone (#94)
#97. To: A K A Stone, Nexus6 (#91)
Do you think JFK was killed by lone gunman Lee Harvey Oswald?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#98. To: A K A Stone, All (#82)
This show was broadcast on January 15, 2015
Robin Hordon 
#99. To: yukon, Nexus6, A K A Stone (#93)
...CT kook nonsense.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#100. To: Deckard (#99)
#101. To: Deckard, Nexus6 (#97)
#102. To: A K A Stone (#101)
if you start talking about crisis actors at Boston
#103. To: A K A Stone (#101)
(Edited)
I'm sure if you start talking about crisis actors at Boston
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#104. To: yukon (#102)
How about Sandy Hook?
#105. To: A K A Stone (#89)
Bush himself said he saw on tv the first plane hit. Did you see the first plane hit on tv?
#106. To: A K A Stone (#104)
(Edited)
I don't think Sandy Hook or Paris was staged.
#107. To: Deckard all (#38)
But they weren't designed to withstand a controlled demolition, were they?
#108. To: rlk (#105)
I thought he was visiting an elementary school when it happened.
#109. To: yukon (#106)
Pray tell who would have the ability to plan, fund stage, execute and cover 9/11?
#110. To: GarySpFC (#107)
I stand by my statement.
#111. To: yukon (#108)
He was. He saw it on TV just like the rest of us.
#112. To: Deckard, all (#103)
We also know that the CIA is funding the Chechen separatists/terrorists much like they are doing in Syria and did recently in Libya. Same for Yugoslavia some time ago and Nicaragua before that.
#113. To: A K A Stone (#110)
That is ok Gary. I just disagree or at least have lots of doubts.
#114. To: A K A Stone (#109)
(Edited)
CIA.
#115. To: GarySpFC (#112)
#116. To: A K A Stone (#90)
#117. To: yukon (#114)
Think about it.......How many people would need to be involved in an operation of that magnitude?
#118. To: GarySpFC (#113)
As I stated, and my friend agreed, it would take at least 40 tractor trailer loads of high grade explosives and months of demolition work within the WTC buildings to bring them down with explosives.
#119. To: yukon (#116)
They never get anything wrong, do they?
#120. To: A K A Stone (#117)
#121. To: A K A Stone (#117)
(Edited)
#122. To: GarySpFC (#113)
#123. To: A K A Stone (#118)
Jet fuel works better. It melts I beams. ;)
#124. To: sneakypete (#122)
Gary,you are wasting your time trying to convince True Believers they are wrong. It would be easier to turn the Pope into a Hindu.
#125. To: A K A Stone (#94)
" I did research one thing. No ones account here has ever been hacked. "
#126. To: GarySpFC (#124)
Last year at our annual get together the engineers had a big laugh.
#127. To: A K A Stone (#117)
#128. To: yukon (#120)
#129. To: All (#128)
(Edited)
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