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Humor Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post >> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.
>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.
----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you. ----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter. >> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything? -----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican. >> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with. ---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up. >> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion. ---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it? Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-184) not displayed.
Wait for what? Probate of the estate. The legal process.
Should he have kept the forum operational while waiting to hear from the state of Florida? Obviously not. As sysadmin stated:
We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin The property went to Goldi's estate upon her death as a matter of law.
#186. To: nolu chan (#185) Probate of the estate. Including the cat?
#187. To: Willie Green (#176) I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the legal distinction between "empower" and "having access." Ability. Capacity to perform an act or service; e.g. to support spouse and family. Financial ability is usually as referring to pecuniary ability. Empower. A grant of authority rather than a command of its exercise. In re Whiteman's Will, 268 App.Div. 591, 52 N.Y.S.2d 723, 725. Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed. As sysadmin had the password, he had the capacity or ability to perform certain acts. As Goldi had died and he knew of her death, sysadmin had no authority to perform certain acts performed. He cannot claim any post-mortem empowerment from Goldi.
If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... The state appointed executor of the estate should take care of that.
No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he? Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property. The state appointed executor has ample standing and power. Neil and sysadmin acted irresponsibly. As sysadmin stated:
We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin The property went to Goldi's estate upon her death as a matter of law.
#188. To: nolu chan (#187) The state appointed executor has ample standing and power. And the discretion to distance himself from absurdities.
#189. To: nolu chan (#187) As sysadmin had the password, he had the capacity or ability to perform certain acts. As Goldi had died and he knew of her death, sysadmin had no authority to perform certain acts performed. Unless consider this. He was hired by Goldi for a term of the one year to work on her site. That he had already been paid. And he would have been a crook if he didn't fulfill his obligation. If I agree to install a new tile floor in someones warehouse at the restaurant they own. And the owner dies in the process. And i have the keys to the building and they paid me in advance. I would still be obligated to install that tile. Maybe not the best analogy. I'll just throw this out there.
#190. To: tpaine (#180)
I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities. Whose legal responsibilities? You will see the problem while trying to answer that question. Upon Goldi's death, responsibilities went to the state of Florida. LP was not a legal entity. The responsibilities were Goldi's, personally. The whole process was flawed. It may have been well intended, but good intent does not overrule state law. The problem is that no will was found and state law gets in the way.
#191. To: A K A Stone (#189) Unless consider this. He was hired by Goldi for a term of the one year to work on her site. That he had already been paid. Any grant of authority that he may have had as an agent or employee was extinguished by Goldi's death and his knowledge of that fact. http://info.legalzoom.com/power-attorney-end-upon-death-20235.html
Death of the Principal http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0709/0709.html
709.2109 Termination or suspension of power of attorney or agent’s authority.—
#192. To: Palmdale (#186) Including the cat? The State authorities acted to dispose of the cat.
#193. To: nolu chan (#190) good intent does not overrule state law What if the state of Florida ignores your points? Will you sue them? Do you have standing for this?
#194. To: nolu chan (#192) The State authorities acted to dispose of the cat. Gotta link to the probate order?
#195. To: A Pole (#193) What if the state of Florida ignores your points?
#196. To: Palmdale (#195) Just leave the cat alone, please :)
#197. To: SOSO (#179)
"The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?" I am sooooooooo happy that you are sooooooooo happy in your belief that things on the internet can, with certainty, be made to disappear.
Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How's that for setting off another conspiracy thread:) The Shadow knows. And the first LP server was located at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD. And the goings on at that address, including the police raid and the permanent injunctions, and the prison records are matters of public record. As you know, sysadmin posted: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=350039&Disp=All&#C461
I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes. sysadmin posted on 2015-01-12 14:35:29 ET Back in 2002, Neil/Pinguinite solicited donations: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=167&Disp=All
How can I contribute? We do not yet have a means of accepting funds electronically (did I mention we were new?) though we will eventually. In the mean time contributions can be sent to: Maybe the will was hidden in a misplaced bottle of Holy Qettorett.
#198. To: nolu chan (#191) You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud. To what purpose?
#199. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#190) Chan is correct. Sysadmin and Neil had absolutely no right to offer anything to anyone under the Liberty Post name. They were essentially offering what was not theirs to offer to you and or Pericles. With no will and not being corporate officers, their actions were their own and most likely illegal. They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. Any of the old Liberty Post would come under control of whomever Goldi willed it to or the State of Florida. The URL was perfectly legal to buy as the subscription lapsed, but the content would have to be totally removed and replaced with something else. I am 110% certain that one or both asked a lawyer, after they had started their dog and pony show, as to what was legal or not and were told what to do to avoid any legal trouble. A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess.
#200. To: A Pole (#193) Will you sue them? Do you have standing for this? No and no. I do not believe the Florida state authorities need any assistance on the law of Florida.
#201. To: Fibr Dog (#198) You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud. I recall CP saying something like that about libel. That made quite a thud.
#202. To: Palmdale (#194) Gotta link to the probate order? I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones.
#203. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#199)
They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. They did a little something something extra with that move to Panama. The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only.
#204. To: nolu chan (#202) I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones. I suspect that the cat was worth more than the domain name.
#205. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#203) The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only. Exactly. Any and all content, without being willed to them or part of a corporate agreement, isn't theirs. They own the URL only. Nothing more. They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer.
#206. To: Willie Green (#176) If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... --- No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he? Correct again Mr Obvious. I have neither standing nor the faintest desire to sue any one for anything. -- Get a grip on your imagination.
Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property. You are so insane about this, that you're funny. I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates.
#207. To: tpaine (#206) I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates. You would have had a hell of a time explaining that to a government worker bee looking for $$$ from Goldi's estate. You are damn lucky those two dopes figured it out before they got themselves and you or Pericles in some trouble.
#208. To: SOSO, implies he is the sysadmin-LP? (#181) I was not trying to 'buy' LP.
Yo, Bro, I believe that I made it abundantly clear that LP was not for sale. You did? Are you the sysadmin?
BTW, do you have any sense of humor? I've been laughing at all the antics here since I got up this morning. Congrats on being one of the head clowns posting... 'bro'.
#209. To: Nexus6 (#199) They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. Except that is not what happened. There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does. Expires On January 18, 2016 Registered On January 18, 2011 Updated On January 06, 2015
#210. To: Operation 40 (#209) There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does. You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. Someone may be in some trouble over this.
#211. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#205) They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer. Did they attempt an illegal transfer of information or did they commit a conversion? Conversion is "[a]n unauthorized assumption and exercise of the right of ownership over goods or personal chattels belonging to another, to the alteration of their condition or the exclusion of the owner's rights. Any unauthorized act which deprives an owner of his property permanently or for an indefinite time. Unauthorized and wrongful exercise of dominion and control over another's personal property." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed. Constructive conversion is "[a]n implied or virtual conversion, which takes place where a person does such acts in reference to the goods of another as amount in law to the appropriation of the property to himself." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed.
#212. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#211) Conversion There is a strong case for this as well. While ownership of LP may have been in dispute in the period between Goldi's actual passing and when the State of Florida would have claim to her property, there can be no dispute that sysadmin and Neil were never owners or had the right to manipulate any of her property and had no right to attempt to sell, barter, or transfer it to anyone else.
#213. To: Nexus6 (#199) A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess. Thank you for your excellent, and humerous synopsis. This tempest in a teapot has been great entertainment for quite a while now. I'll be sad to see it fade away.
#214. To: All (#0) Hmmm... This is interesting, guess who owns "Libertypost.com"? Try it! who.is
#215. To: Operation 40, Nexus6 (#209) That was for libertypost.net libertypost.org expired. The website Liberty Post used both.
Expires On January 14, 2015 Registered On January 14, 2002 Updated On November 17, 2014 Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit?
Registrant Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Administrative Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Technical Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC
#216. To: nolu chan, Operation 40, Nexus6 (#215) http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net ns1.linode.com 69.93.127.10 Houston, TX, US ns2.linode.com 65.19.178.10 Nashville, TN, US ns3.linode.com 75.127.96.10 Atlanta, GA, US ns4.linode.com 207.192.70.10 Cedar Knolls, NJ, US ns5.linode.com 109.74.194.10 http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net ***************************************************
http://who.is/domain-history/libertypost.net Registrar Info January 15, 2015 Name ENOM, INC. Whois Server whois.enom.com Referral URL http://www.enom.com Status clientTransferProhibited
Important Dates Expires On January 18, 2016 Registered On January 18, 2011 Updated On January 06, 2015
#217. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#216) I just captured the info posted in my #215 just before I formatted my post and posted it. When I went back just now, there were a few changes. Under important dates my #215 read: Updated On November 17, 2014 Now that is updated to: Updated On January 06, 2015 - - - - - The bottom of my post at #215 read: Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC Now that is updated to: Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC = = = = =
Registrar Info Name eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status clientTransferProhibited
Important Dates Expires On January 14, 2016 Registered On January 14, 2002 Updated On January 06, 2015
Raw Registrar Data
Registrant Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Administrative Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Technical Contact Information: Name: WhoisGuard Protected Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc. City: Panama State: Panama Zip: 00000 Country: PA Phone: +507.8365503 Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC
#218. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#217) http://who.is/website-information/libertypost.org Captured at [1/15/2015 5:43:57 PM]
Contact Information Owner Name Goldi-Lox Email goldi@libertypost.org
#219. To: nolu chan (#217) Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site?
#220. To: tpaine (#219)
Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site? It appears the update date/time to the second at the bottom of the page is when whois updated their page. The page does not contain data originating after that time. It appears the update date (mmddyyy) listed under "important dates" indicated when the domain updated their information. The first post of mine showed a page update of December 29, 2014 and could not list a most recent domain update of January 6, 2015. The second post of mine that did show the most recent domain update of January 6, 2015 shows a page update of January 15, 2015, after January 6. If this is a correct interpretation, the first post shows the most recent domain update of November 17, four days after Goldi's body was discovered, and already indicating a change to Panama. Maybe I misunderstand the data, but that, and the background of the site origin, make me curious about what happened when. Who updated on November 17 and what did they update?
#221. To: tpaine, nolu chan (#219) like the sysadmin-LP is playing games Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
#222. To: A Pole (#221) Um, one possibility is that he's not that bright.
#223. To: A Pole, tpaine (#221) Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
Just fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Remember, sysadmin posted
I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes. That first server was provided by and in the office of John B. Kotmair at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD, the address of SAPF and Liberty Post. Goldi-Lox and Pinguinite were followers of John B. Kotmair and SAPF. It appears sysadmin was another member of the fold. John B. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 18066-037. Son Edward L. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 33337-037. That was his second stretch. Earlier he was state Offender Number 0229959 doing time at Hartnett Correctional Institution. I can see how the people from SAPF can vouch for each other's integrity. Gee, what was their business?
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Have another, http://www.leagle.com/decision/19961657962FSupp695_11553
SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP v. U.S. Civil Action No. MJG-95-935. Who is that sysadmin mystery man who helped with that first server in the SAPF office in 2002 and has "worked with it ever since behind the scenes."
#224. To: nolu chan (#223) Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"? Seems like a vindictive personality attack. Not a political debate. Is your objective to punish or intimidate "sysadmin-LP"?
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