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Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post
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Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: Sneakypete and TooConservative
Post Date: 2015-01-12 16:37:59 by tpaine
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Views: 125370
Comments: 263
>> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.
>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.
----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you.
----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter.
>> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything?
-----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican.
>> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with.
---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up.
>> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion.
---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it?
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#53. To: TooConservative (#52) (Edited)
Thanks for your support.
Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Post'.
Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.
#54. To: TooConservative, infowarrior, murron, Y'ALL (#52) (Edited)
Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.
Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Call' nostalgia fest..
Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.
#55. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#53)
Thanks for your support.
Not at all.
He chickened out. You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription?
sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name. I advised against this. I think he finally realized that the only thing about LP that was Goldi's was the domain name (libertypost.org & .net).
So he's closing it at noon tomorrow because at midnight tomorrow night, he would be using Goldi's pilfered property for his own purposes, however innocent those might actually be.
You weren't any legal threat to him compared to the actual legal peril he put himself in. And what do you suppose would happen the first time he made someone really really mad? They'd make complaints that he pilfered the domain name, might make fiduciary complaints against him concerning the handling of a deceased person's property. And that domain name was the only part of LP that Goldi actually owned and that had a real value, however negligible.
But by turning the domain into a memorial, no one can say that he took it for himself unlawfully. And he never actually wanted it to begin with anyway.
The DNS issue and his own bizarre ever-changing election with new candidates and new options and new scoring methods ending in complete tatters were why he pulled the plug. That and Neil telling him to close it. Neil's vote probably counted more than the rest of us put together because they knew each other personally for about 15 years.
And for all his whining about how awful we were and how awful all his friends thought we were, he actually did almost no moderating at all.
He pulled the plug at noon on the 14th because Goldi's DNS expires at midnight.
The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.
#56. To: TooConservative (#55)
I hope you post your opinion on his 'last call' thread soon. I'd like to see his reaction…
#57. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#56)
Why bother? He'd just spin another set of self-serving half-truths. He might even be able to make himself believe they're true. Look at that mutating election and how he kept ridiculously telling us how fair it was, how it was exactly what you wanted...he was obviously an experienced (but inept) blame-shifter.
But a coincidence of shutting down within 12 hours of the new DNS ownership under his own name taking effect? At best, the odds are 1 in 730 in any given year that that could happen in a single 12 hour period. That's a lot of coincidence in my book.
#58. To: tpaine, TooConservative, hondo68 (#55)
Neil just banned SOD. LOL!
That stupid old drunk couldn't control himself.
#59. To: TooConservative (#55)
You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription?sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name.
To what end is The Game played? Future considerations of 'Liberty Post' as a tangible asset?
Is there the suggestion that the shuttering of LP is beyond mere "sentimentality"?
#60. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
Neil just banned SOD. LOL!
Isn't this like getting tossed out of a game with .01 left on the clock? Too little, too late.
#61. To: Liberator (#59)
To what end is The Game played? Future considerations of 'Liberty Post' as a tangible asset?
Not really. Just keeping his name clear of it or any possible complaints of domain hijacking. That isn't something that someone in networking professionally wants on his professional resume, for whatever reason.
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
Should have whacked Final Authority too! What a retard neocon ahole!
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#63. To: TooConservative (#61)
Could it be considered "inherited" by default? By a working/personal association? Then why not just offer to sell/surrender the whole kit and caboodle at some later date? Or is this a question of authority?
Odd situation and end result in any case. Especially after the whole voting. I guess some kind of liability always lurks in the background...
In the alternative, I wonder if it's possible that Gilligan threatened some kind of legal action out of malice or covetous envy...
#64. To: hondo68 (#62)
Banjo Boy/byeltsin leaves his final posting of gibberish in hopes that someone fifty years from now can translate it.
#65. To: hondo68 (#62)
Boris is going to babble to LP's final seconds, like the crew members going down with the Titanic.
#66. To: Liberator (#63)
Could it be considered "inherited" by default? By a working/personal association? Then why not just offer to sell/surrender the whole kit and caboodle at some later date? Or is this a question of authority?
Well, he can surrender it to the estate's appointed lawyer if asked.
But he certainly couldn't do that if he had bought it himself and then resold it to tpaine or Pericles.
That situation is what likely determined the outcome and the sudden pulling of the plug.
Line up the incentives and chart the path of least resistance and the lowest threat level and that is what people will always choose, almost without exception.
#67. To: Liberator (#63)
Odd situation and end result in any case. Especially after the whole voting. I guess some kind of liability always lurks in the background...In the alternative, I wonder if it's possible that Gilligan threatened some kind of legal action out of malice or covetous envy...
Gilligan? Who he?
Why is it that practically everybody here delights in using nicknames for names that are already pseudonymous handles?
#68. To: tpaine (#67) (Edited)
I think Gilligan is Gatlin, as in you were gatlinized to sysadmin, who in turn banned you.
#69. To: Fred Mertz, TooConservative, hondo68 (#64)
Banjo Boy/byeltsin leaves his final posting of gibberish in hopes that someone fifty years from now can translate it.
Or perhaps he is tearfully downing immense quantities of booze as he posts his drunken non-haikus in the hope that he will at last understand his own incoherent scribblings before the plug is pulled and the last thing he sees as the screen fades is a single exclamation point.
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Poor Boris, first he lost his beloved Canaries and now the site itself will fade away. He may have used Sterno as a mixer for his vodka as he spewed out his last desperate post at LP.
#70. To: Fred Mertz, gatlin, Y'ALL (#68)
That was my first reaction too, --- gatlin was always a barracks lawyer type, and I'd bet he put the legal threat idea for banning me, in sysadmin's head.
What I don't understand though, is what gatlin thought he gained by the shut down. I'm sure he's here, and I wish he'd tell us all.
#71. To: tpaine (#4)
just for laughs
Yes, you are very funny. The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP.
Congratulations!
#72. To: Fred Mertz, tpaine, TooConservative, hondo68 (#58)
Wonder how long it will take for him to get the boot here?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
#73. To: A Pole (#71)
The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP.
And they just happened to suddenly pull the plug 12 hours before Goldi's DNS name expired, at best a 1:730 chance in a given year.
Coincidence? Don't kid yourself.
#74. To: TooConservative, A Pole (#73)
The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP.And they just happened to suddenly pull the plug 12 hours before Goldi's DNS name expired, at best a 1:730 chance in a given year.
Coincidence? Don't kid yourself.
For those of us not as nearly enlightened, will you please explain your ascertainment.
Motive has reason...what is it?
#75. To: Spartacus (#74)
The only thing Goldi actually owned was the domain name and control of the database. There are fiduciary laws that deal with people appropriating the property of deceased persons.
I tried to tell them that they should place an advance order to snap up libertypost.org as soon as it expired. That might be considered a little unethical but completely legal.
As of midnight, all that sysadmin does at LP is on his own head. In addition, if he did sell (or give) the domains to tpaine or Pericles, he couldn't surrender them. And troublemakers could always try to denounce him to the DNS authorities at ICANN as a domain thief.
I tried to explain these angles but was probably too longwinded and got ignored. But I did it well before he renewed those domain names under his own name.
#76. To: TooConservative (#75)
Having not followed the situation, what you were talking about in the abbreviated post makes sense now.
#77. To: tpaine (#0)
#78. To: Nexus6, TooConservative, Y'ALL (#77)
For someone with so little time and a family who is practically begging him to give up LP, sysadmin is on the site 24/7.
Good point. You should make it over there.
The truth behind what happened there will never be known…
I think TC posted a good part of it just above, at #55? -- That too should be posted at LP, although they'd probably delete it immediately.
#79. To: TooConservative (#55)
The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.
I wouldn't call it "shameful."
I think that he simply didn't anticipate the can-of-worms that he plunged into.
But what you said about the real legal repurcussions of assuming ownership makes sense, so I agree that shutting LP down and putting up a memorial is the only thing that makes sense. Maybe one of these days Goldi's true family and next-of-kin will come across it and be comforted by the cyber-tribute left behind in her memory.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#80. To: Willie Green (#79)
sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to shameful rather quickly. Whenever Gatlin came up with a scary sounding tale, he'd jump.
A puppet on a string.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#81. To: hondo68 (#80)
sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... if ever there was proof for the old maxim "Truth is stranger than fiction," it's gotta be LibertyPost.
LOL! If you didn't participate in that bizarre soap opera for the last dozen years, there simply ain't no way you'd ever understand or believe it.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#82. To: tpaine, Nexus6 (#78)
I think TC posted a good part of it just above, at #55? -- That too should be posted at LP, although they'd probably delete it immediately.
Maybe we can let Sven and SOD have the last-banned-at-LP honors for themselves.
#83. To: TooConservative (#82)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#84. To: Willie Green, hondo68, Y'ALL (#81)
hondo68 (#80) ---- sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... -- willy
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.
#85. To: tpaine (#84)
the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.
Das macht nichts... you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#86. To: Willie Green, y'all (#85)
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.
Das macht nichts...
No true, Willy... The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.
you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.
Would you?
#87. To: tpaine (#86)
The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.
You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?!
"JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."
Goldi's website, Goldi's rules...
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.
That's reality, not denial. No sense pissin' in the wind over it.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#88. To: Willie Green (#87)
You're simply in denial.
You only had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies.
Would you?
You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?
Yep, I believe we can function under a republican form of rules, and govt.
Democracies, (as you like them) don't work
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?! ---- "JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."
You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you?
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.
Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.
You're digging your denial hole deeper.
#89. To: tpaine (#88)
You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you?
Originally... back before Y2K
but it went downhill fast after JR became a BushBot...
and strictly a partisan, toe-the-Tea-Party-Line echo chamber after that...
I'm still pretty much the same old Buchananite that I've always been... but I don't mind distancing myself as far away from the GOP as I can get. The GOP was hijacked by extremists, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. We'd all be better off if the GOP just closed up shop and turned out the lights. They're an embarassment to everything decent that I ever believed in.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#90. To: tpaine (#88)
Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.
Question it all you want.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
#91. To: Willie Green (#90)
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
Zing!
#92. To: Willie Green (#89)
I'm still pretty much the same old Buchananite that I've always been... but I don't mind distancing myself as far away from the GOP as I can get. The GOP was hijacked by extremists, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. We'd all be better off if the GOP just closed up shop and turned out the lights.
I've always liked Buchanan too, and I doubt he'd agree with you about an 'extremist' takeover.
The libertarian/Tparty revolution in the GOP has the potential to change American politics. I predict that the Buchananite's will join us. You should consider it.
#93. To: Willie Green (#90)
Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.
Question it all you want. --- If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators. -- Get it yet? -- Reread TC' s posts above, - - he has some excellent insights on the subject.
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