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Humor Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post >> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.
>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.
----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you. ----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter. >> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything? -----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican. >> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with. ---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up. >> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion. ---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it? Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-201) not displayed.
Gotta link to the probate order? I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones.
#203. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#199)
They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. They did a little something something extra with that move to Panama. The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only.
#204. To: nolu chan (#202) I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones. I suspect that the cat was worth more than the domain name.
#205. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#203) The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only. Exactly. Any and all content, without being willed to them or part of a corporate agreement, isn't theirs. They own the URL only. Nothing more. They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer.
#206. To: Willie Green (#176) If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... --- No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he? Correct again Mr Obvious. I have neither standing nor the faintest desire to sue any one for anything. -- Get a grip on your imagination.
Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property. You are so insane about this, that you're funny. I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates.
#207. To: tpaine (#206) I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates. You would have had a hell of a time explaining that to a government worker bee looking for $$$ from Goldi's estate. You are damn lucky those two dopes figured it out before they got themselves and you or Pericles in some trouble.
#208. To: SOSO, implies he is the sysadmin-LP? (#181) I was not trying to 'buy' LP.
Yo, Bro, I believe that I made it abundantly clear that LP was not for sale. You did? Are you the sysadmin?
BTW, do you have any sense of humor? I've been laughing at all the antics here since I got up this morning. Congrats on being one of the head clowns posting... 'bro'.
#209. To: Nexus6 (#199) They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. Except that is not what happened. There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does. Expires On January 18, 2016 Registered On January 18, 2011 Updated On January 06, 2015
#210. To: Operation 40 (#209) There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does. You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. Someone may be in some trouble over this.
#211. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#205) They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer. Did they attempt an illegal transfer of information or did they commit a conversion? Conversion is "[a]n unauthorized assumption and exercise of the right of ownership over goods or personal chattels belonging to another, to the alteration of their condition or the exclusion of the owner's rights. Any unauthorized act which deprives an owner of his property permanently or for an indefinite time. Unauthorized and wrongful exercise of dominion and control over another's personal property." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed. Constructive conversion is "[a]n implied or virtual conversion, which takes place where a person does such acts in reference to the goods of another as amount in law to the appropriation of the property to himself." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed.
#212. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#211) Conversion There is a strong case for this as well. While ownership of LP may have been in dispute in the period between Goldi's actual passing and when the State of Florida would have claim to her property, there can be no dispute that sysadmin and Neil were never owners or had the right to manipulate any of her property and had no right to attempt to sell, barter, or transfer it to anyone else.
#213. To: Nexus6 (#199) A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess. Thank you for your excellent, and humerous synopsis. This tempest in a teapot has been great entertainment for quite a while now. I'll be sad to see it fade away.
#214. To: All (#0) Hmmm... This is interesting, guess who owns "Libertypost.com"? Try it! who.is
#215. To: Operation 40, Nexus6 (#209) That was for libertypost.net libertypost.org expired. The website Liberty Post used both.
Expires On January 14, 2015 Registered On January 14, 2002 Updated On November 17, 2014 Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit?
Registrant Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Administrative Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Technical Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC
#216. To: nolu chan, Operation 40, Nexus6 (#215) http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net ns1.linode.com 69.93.127.10 Houston, TX, US ns2.linode.com 65.19.178.10 Nashville, TN, US ns3.linode.com 75.127.96.10 Atlanta, GA, US ns4.linode.com 207.192.70.10 Cedar Knolls, NJ, US ns5.linode.com 109.74.194.10 http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net ***************************************************
http://who.is/domain-history/libertypost.net Registrar Info January 15, 2015 Name ENOM, INC. Whois Server whois.enom.com Referral URL http://www.enom.com Status clientTransferProhibited
Important Dates Expires On January 18, 2016 Registered On January 18, 2011 Updated On January 06, 2015
#217. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#216) I just captured the info posted in my #215 just before I formatted my post and posted it. When I went back just now, there were a few changes. Under important dates my #215 read: Updated On November 17, 2014 Now that is updated to: Updated On January 06, 2015 - - - - - The bottom of my post at #215 read: Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC Now that is updated to: Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC = = = = =
Registrar Info Name eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status clientTransferProhibited
Important Dates Expires On January 14, 2016 Registered On January 14, 2002 Updated On January 06, 2015
Raw Registrar Data
Registrant Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Administrative Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Technical Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
City: Panama
State: Panama
Zip: 00000
Country: PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Email: Email Masking Image@whoisguard.com
Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC
#218. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#217) http://who.is/website-information/libertypost.org Captured at [1/15/2015 5:43:57 PM]
Contact Information Owner Name Goldi-Lox Email goldi@libertypost.org
#219. To: nolu chan (#217) Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site?
#220. To: tpaine (#219)
Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site? It appears the update date/time to the second at the bottom of the page is when whois updated their page. The page does not contain data originating after that time. It appears the update date (mmddyyy) listed under "important dates" indicated when the domain updated their information. The first post of mine showed a page update of December 29, 2014 and could not list a most recent domain update of January 6, 2015. The second post of mine that did show the most recent domain update of January 6, 2015 shows a page update of January 15, 2015, after January 6. If this is a correct interpretation, the first post shows the most recent domain update of November 17, four days after Goldi's body was discovered, and already indicating a change to Panama. Maybe I misunderstand the data, but that, and the background of the site origin, make me curious about what happened when. Who updated on November 17 and what did they update?
#221. To: tpaine, nolu chan (#219) like the sysadmin-LP is playing games Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
#222. To: A Pole (#221) Um, one possibility is that he's not that bright.
#223. To: A Pole, tpaine (#221) Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
Just fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Remember, sysadmin posted
I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes. That first server was provided by and in the office of John B. Kotmair at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD, the address of SAPF and Liberty Post. Goldi-Lox and Pinguinite were followers of John B. Kotmair and SAPF. It appears sysadmin was another member of the fold. John B. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 18066-037. Son Edward L. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 33337-037. That was his second stretch. Earlier he was state Offender Number 0229959 doing time at Hartnett Correctional Institution. I can see how the people from SAPF can vouch for each other's integrity. Gee, what was their business?
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Have another, http://www.leagle.com/decision/19961657962FSupp695_11553
SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP v. U.S. Civil Action No. MJG-95-935. Who is that sysadmin mystery man who helped with that first server in the SAPF office in 2002 and has "worked with it ever since behind the scenes."
#224. To: nolu chan (#223) Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"? Seems like a vindictive personality attack. Not a political debate. Is your objective to punish or intimidate "sysadmin-LP"?
#225. To: nolu chan (#185) Wait for what?
Probate of the estate. The legal process. And who says SysAdmin isn't waiting? He said that may happen, and if it does, then things will go that course. That is, by definition, waiting. I don't understand why you feel like some crime or civil offence has been committed. If Florida wants the domain name and web site as part of Sally's estate, they can come and get it. No problem. When I asked "wait for what" I really meant "do what while we wait?" I listed a bunch of options, and asked what you would do in sysadmin's place, but you failed to answer. You have raised a big stink about something no being done right, or something being done wrong, but as far as I can tell, you have failed to state what that is. You simply rehash the same claim about LP belonging to Florida.
#226. To: Fibr Dog, nolu chan (#198) You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud. To what purpose? Indeed. I fully and heartily recommend that Nolu do his civic duty and contact the state of Florida and inform them of this grave injustice. Do it. I'm totally serious.
#227. To: Nexus6 (#199) (Edited) Chan is correct. Sysadmin and Neil had absolutely no right to offer anything to anyone under the Liberty Post name. They were essentially offering what was not theirs to offer to you and or Pericles. With no will and not being corporate officers, their actions were their own and most likely illegal. Offering anything is hardly illegal, in of itself. But the fact that it was not turned over to anyone makes the matter moot.
I am 110% certain that one or both asked a lawyer, after they had started their dog and pony show, as to what was legal or not and were told what to do to avoid any legal trouble. Oh, absolutely. Consulting a big legal firm was definitely worth the time and expense to avoid a raid from DHS over a domain name generates zero income.
They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess. Hey it could still happen........ He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
#228. To: Pinguinite, Fibr Dog, nolu chan (#226) I fully and heartily recommend that Nolu do his civic duty and contact the state of Florida and inform them of this grave injustice. He, he. And what the state of Florida will do? It will proudly declare LP server and domain the heritage site of the Sunshine State. Or will it sell it for twenty bucks to the wicked sys-admin?
#229. To: Nexus6 (#207) You would have had a hell of a time explaining that to a government worker bee looking for $$$ from Goldi's estate. You are damn lucky those two dopes figured it out before they got themselves and you or Pericles in some trouble. Being away from LP as long as I have has given me the distinct benefit of not having to read such nonsense from people that just come up with crap to fulfill a need to hate or despise. You have an agenda, and you jump on any opportunity to ridicule people you don't know. The decision not to hand off LP was made out of consideration only with regard to what was morally appropriate, as discussed on LP. Even if LP had been handed off to someone, if Florida came knocking and wanted the domain, then they still get it. You are treating this like it is destruction of property. Insane.
#230. To: Nexus6 (#210) You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. Someone may be in some trouble over this. < Yawn ..... zzzzzzz >
#231. To: nolu chan (#220) Maybe I misunderstand the data, but that, and the background of the site origin, make me curious about what happened when. Who updated on November 17 and what did they update? May I suggest getting the good Dr. Watson involved? Perhaps Moriarty is involved, staked out in Panama?
#232. To: nolu chan (#215) Expires On January 14, 2015 Registered On January 14, 2002 Updated On November 17, 2014 Very interesting. There must have been some kind of reason that the name was updated on 11/17, since it wasn't set to expire until mid Jan. Perhaps there is a registrar or other source that allows a review of all "updated" dates. What was "updated" on 11/17, and by who, and why? libertypost.org expiredAs your post #218 indicates, it was renewed/updated on 1/06/15. Was .org also "updated" on 11/17? And if so, who and why?
#233. To: Nexus6 (#210) You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. They did not find out it yet? How are you going to inform then? Perhaps contact the governor? Will you get a commission or dividend?
#234. To: Pinguinite (#227) over a domain name generates zero income That was entirely Goldi's fault. She didn't want advertising, and she didn't or couldn't or wouldn't entertain alternatives that don't plaster ads on the front page. (at least as far as I could make out from her limited responses anytime the subject was brought up) Libertypost.com is the prize, owned by the USPS. But Liberty post.net is not exactly a throwaway. It could be worth at least a few thousand dollars without a website and developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that. Take a look at the garbage that is actually selling at https://flippa.com/ Any idea who updated libertypost.org and .net in November? Why would that have happened just a few days after her death?
#235. To: Operation 40 (#234) That was entirely Goldi's fault. She didn't want advertising, and she didn't or couldn't or wouldn't entertain alternatives that don't plaster ads on the front page. (at least as far as I could make out from her limited responses anytime the subject was brought up) Who cares? Fact remains, it's a zero income generator.
Libertypost.com is the prize, owned by the USPS. But Liberty post.net is not exactly a throwaway. It could be worth at least a few thousand dollars without a website and developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that. Take a look at the garbage that is actually selling at https://flippa.com/ It's only worth what people pay, not what price a cybersquatter outfit asks for it.
Any idea who updated libertypost.org and .net in November? Why would that have happened just a few days after her death? I suggest you ask the outfit that claims it was updated. While you are at it you could also ask them what constitutes an "update".
#236. To: Operation 40 (#234) "over a domain name generates zero income" Only if the income was the key objective.
developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that These 100 posters are not owned by LP. They could flee in matter of seconds. Unless you find a way to indenture them and squeeze a rent from it.
#237. To: nolu chan (#215) Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit? The registrar might have done it. Or sysadmin might have updated a telephone or email contact entry. Routine.
#238. To: nolu chan (#218) Email goldi@libertypost.org Bogus info, I think. AFAIK, Goldi never hosted a mail server there. Perhaps sysadmin at some point put an email redirection in there.
#239. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone, nolu chan, Devil Anse (#227) (Edited) This thread should be removed. nolu has had his points to make, many of them valid. But this has gone on long enough. This thread should be removed now and nolu should be told to stop posting on this topic or find a new forum to post on. nolu, it's time to move on from this topic. You've made your points.
#240. To: Pinguinite (#229) Your opinion is not the law. Thank you for your opinion.
#241. To: A Pole (#233)
Why would I do anything like that? What a strange post.
#242. To: TooConservative (#237) The registrar might have done it. Absurd. You're like the guy that reads Cooking for Dummies and thinks they are a Chef.
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