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Humor Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post >> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%.
>> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate.
----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you. ----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter. >> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything? -----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican. >> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with. ---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up. >> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion. ---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it? Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-144) not displayed.
Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight. Chan, if memory serves, the sysadmin posted at least once, early on, that he had NOT had any recent communication with Goldi before her death.
#146. To: SOSO (#143) SOSO has been doing his best to badger all of us that are being critical of the way the Sysadmin-LP handled the shut down.
Please back that up with posts of mine here on LF that do this. Thank you. -- - I certainly expressed my opinion here that all things consdidered I believed that shutting LP down was the best course of action. I do not recall posting to anyone on LF about the position they expressed on LP. I may have responded to their expression of opinion as they posted that here. If that badgering I will reevaluate the action for future reference. It was badgering and you just 'boldly' admitted to it. ( I did the html to bold your lines) ---- Thanks
#147. To: SOSO (#130) What is this persistent reference to canary cage and canaries? Obviously I missed the memo. Canary: "I don't know anything about this Canary cage..." Anyone who posted at LP knows what a Canary is. And you keep telling us how well-known you were at LP and how many posters here at LF know your LP handle. So name them. But you won't, will you?
#148. To: nolu chan, tpaine, pericles (#139) Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state. So you prefer that the state disposed of LP? "I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act." As I said, I am not a lawyer and will readily defer to one on the matter. But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner. But I will concede the point to you in all respects. Now I ask you, so what is to been done about it? Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling? Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp? Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have? There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands? Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished? It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong.
#149. To: TooConservative (#147) And you keep telling us how well-known you were at LP and how many posters here at LF know your LP handle. First, witless, I never made a claim with respect to being well known or not on LP. Still best to loosen those panties a bit and get some circulation to your brain. Second, witless, I never said how many on LF know, whether that was a lot or a little. But to help you sleep better tonight I will tell you that..............you will never know, at least not from me.
#150. To: A K A Stone (#141)
If people kept asking me the same question I would get annoyed too. Wouldn't you? Absolutely. But that's why I've always advocated using just one pseudonym. I've used mine for 18 years, except for when I was playing JR's game at FR for a few months. Could it be some here are playing games now?
As far as the shutdown. I was for keeping it open But nolu chan is correct I believe. Thanks for your candor.
#151. To: TooConservative, SOSO, A K A Stone, Devil Anse (#147) (Edited) What is this persistent reference to canary cage and canaries? Obviously I missed the memo. I like you dude. But to be honest you have been badgering (SOSO) since his first post. Or close to it.
#152. To: SOSO (#122) Man, you really are in need of a blow job more than any white man in history. No thanks. Keep your diseased potty mouth to yourself.
#153. To: TooConservative (#152) Man, you really are in need of a blow job more than any white man in history. Give it a rest, witless. You have worn thin.
#154. To: SOSO (#149) But to help you sleep better tonight I will tell you that..............you will never know, at least not from me. But I do know who knows. And it is telling you won't just admit who they are either. I can almost hear those cellphones dialing, emails flashing past. Gatlin just happens to show up now, flying wingman for you... It's not a mystery at all.
#155. To: SOSO (#153) Like that is going to happen.
#156. To: tpaine (#150) I've used mine for 18 years, except for........ Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know how many forums you post on over the years but I have only done so one, and that was LP. So I am still monogamous but I am funny that way. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you.
#157. To: TooConservative (#154) But I do know who knows. And it is telling you won't just admit who they are either. Yes, it is telling about something. Sleep tight, witless.
#158. To: TooConservative (#154) I believe you had SOSO on bozo once at LP. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12) #159. To: TooConservative (#154) It's not a mystery at all. Then expsoe me to the world if that will sooth your soul. Over and out.
#160. To: redleghunter (#158) I believe you had SOSO on bozo once at LP. That wouln't have been nice, would it? Oh well, he is what he is.
#161. To: Spartacus (#151) Oh no I'm being quoted. You know sometimes when I go back and read some of the stuff I say on here. I'm like what the ..... Why did I say that.
#162. To: A K A Stone (#161) I don't know why you said that, I know TooConservative was becoming desperate at the time. I don’t think human being learn anything without desperation. But then it has always been the nature of TooConservative to appear to be too desperate when
#163. To: SOSO (#156) I've always advocated using just one pseudonym. I've used mine for 18 years, except for when I was playing JR's game at FR for a few months.
Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it. Question away..
I don't know how many forums you post on over the years but I have only done so one, and that was LP. Why do you think I care? Do you have a point?
So I am still monogamous but I am funny that way. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you. Frankly soso, you have me confused with someone who cares about your acceptability..
#164. To: tpaine (#163) Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it. I am not that interested. It is of no weight other than the hypocrisy it reveals about you. "Frankly soso, you have me confused with someone who cares about your acceptability." Then why did you express an opinion about it and accuse me of badgering?
#165. To: nolu chan (#139) Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules Domains expire.
#166. To: SOSO, tpaine, Pericles, TooConservative (#148)
So you prefer that the state disposed of LP? I stated no personal preference. I stated what the law says must be done. As one preference though, I would prefer that the site not go into the hands of a robber or felon or anyone with a Federal Bureau of Prisons Number.
But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner. If Goldi was not the owner at her death, then someone else was. I have no indication that anyone else was the owner at the time of Goldi's death. Nobody else ever claimed to be the owner and Goldi was listed as the registrant until a change was made at the end of December.
Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling? Responsibility passed to the state of Florida for Goldi's estate. They work on attempting to find a will, trying to identify relatives near or distant, and identify all assets and dispose of them as stated in the law. 69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764 On December 21, sysadmin advised that,
UPS packages were piling up in front of her condo, so the management called police on November 13th to check on her. She was found deceased inside her condo unit. http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=73#C73
On December 22, sysadmin advised,
Goldi's case is in the hands of the "Major Cases Unit" at the sheriff's office which has been attempting unsuccessfully to find next-of-kin. The body is with the Medical Examiner's office and the actual cause of death has not yet been determined. So, more than five weeks after Goldi's body was discovered, sysadmin reports that the case is in the hands of the Major Cases Unit and the cause of death has not yet been determined. The Major Cases Unit does not usually investigate death from natural causes for five weeks. The authorities found the cat. They should find Liberty Post with little effort. As for how fast the state stepped in, maybe they stepped in immediately. What is the Major Cases Unit investigating? Maybe they want to watch and investigate something before going all public.
Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp? For what? I have not been damaged. Neither has tpaine or Pericles either. They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold. Even the state of Florida must expend a certain amount of time trying to locate relatives. And we could all still attend the auction.
Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have? LP is not a legal entity and has no assets. Goldi had assets which now belong to the estate of Goldi which include the archive of LP. All of it, including PM and E-mail.
There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands? The state of Florida would be responsible since Goldi's death. However, the Major Cases Unit might consider the non-public information to be evidence in an investigation. "The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property." "When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state." "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."
Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished? Beats me. I suppose you could ask the state of Florida authorities to take custody of it and protect it.
It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong. The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?
#167. To: Palmdale (#165) Domains expire. And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."
#168. To: nolu chan (#167) And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund." Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules? Don't assume your premise.
#169. To: tpaine (#145) Chan, if memory serves, the sysadmin posted at least once, early on, that he had NOT had any recent communication with Goldi before her death. Here is what I find. http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=2#C2
#2. To: Dead Culture Watch (#1) http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=29#C29
#29. To: domer (#28)
#170. To: Palmdale (#168) (Edited) Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules? I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired. It was not expired when Goldi died and it passed to the custody of the state of Florida. You are free to volunteer to explain to the state of Florida how Panama became involved.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349905
With the new year upon us I suppose it is time now to discuss where LP is going from here. We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Although very unlikely, it is something that should be kept in mind. Title: Where do we go from here? Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin It seems sysadmin decided not to wait until the estate was probated. He decided to act before the state of Florida could.
#171. To: Palmdale (#165) Domains expire. Not if they have been expropriated and renewed.
#172. To: nolu chan (#170) I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired... You assume that Florida could act before it expired. You also assume that it would bother. Don't think so.
#173. To: TooConservative (#171) Not if they have been expropriated and renewed. When has the state of Florida ever "expropriated and renewed" a privately held domain name?
#174. To: nolu chan (#170) I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired. It was not expired when Goldi died and it passed to the custody of the state of Florida. LP went dark last year when Goldi forgot to renew the DNS name. I recorded it and it expired at 12:01 today, 1/15/15. My intent was to remind her (which I did for sysadmin a week or so ago when my calendar app reminded me. sysadmin renewed it under his own name unless he had some other entity he could transfer it to.
#175. To: nolu chan (#170)
Wait for what? Should he have kept the forum operational while waiting to hear from the state of Florida? Should he have left the site unmoderated, and subject to lawsuits so the state of Florida could inherit a copyright infringement case as a defendant as part of Sally's estate? Should he keep footing monthly bills from the host provider waiting for the State of Florida to reimburse him? Should he have let the domain name expire so the State of Florida could grab it up? Should he have shut down the web site, like he did? What act did he do that is so terrible? What, pray tell, would you have done in SysAdmin's place? Please enlighten us!
#176. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#99) Unless Goldi did not own LP when she died, neither sysadmin, nor Neil, were lawfully "empowered" to do anything that they did. Because they had the password, they had the ability to do things. They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the legal distinction between "empower" and "having access." If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka." #177. To: All (#176) Looks like the accusatory verbage, instigating, flame baiting and boorish behavior has already started, my that didn't take long. Looks like the Gay Canary Posse has arrived in full force and has grown by a few members, or would that be a few logons? "Comme ci, comme ça" “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.” #178. To: tpaine (#95) Yep, some bozo, --- bozoed me. Don't feel bad I'm still bozo'd from when he was here before using another logon. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.” #179. To: nolu chan (#166) They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold. Thanks for the response. But if memory serves sysadmin made it quite clear that he wasn't selling LP. "The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?" Excellent question. Based on it I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How's that for setting off another conspiracy thread:)
#180. To: SOSO, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#179) Silly questioner --- Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp? I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities.
SOSO --- I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How silly can you get? I was not very interested in 'getting my hands on LP', as was made evident by the conditions on the offer I made. -- I was trying to find a way to keep the site open.
#181. To: tpaine, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#180) I was not trying to 'buy' LP. Yo, Bro, I believe that I made it abundantly clear that LP was not for sale. BTW, do you have any sense of humor?
#182. To: SOSO (#179) I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled... Paranoid much?
#183. To: Liberator (#182)
No, just the usual amount. Humorless much?
#184. To: SOSO (#183) Wuz dat "humor"?? Ooops. My bad, V.
#185. To: Pinguinite (#175)
Wait for what? Probate of the estate. The legal process.
Should he have kept the forum operational while waiting to hear from the state of Florida? Obviously not. As sysadmin stated:
We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin The property went to Goldi's estate upon her death as a matter of law.
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