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Title: Clarification requested if needed
Source: libertypost
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: sysadmin LP
Post Date: 2015-01-12 10:44:49 by tpaine
Keywords: None
Views: 25629
Comments: 61

To: tpaine

Subject: Clarification requested if needed

>> sysadmin-LP -- It has come to light that I may have misinterpreted some part of your offer. If so this was not intentional on my part, I was piecing together parts of several emails to arrive at a cogent description of the entire package.

----- I asked you in my 'offer' emails to post them at LP, because you refused to allow me to comment there. --- Instead, you pieced together parts, which in my opinion led to an non cogent description of the entire email exchange.

>> Information short, what I gathered from your emails and what I have attempted to represent: --- Your accepting ownership of LP is contingent on the following conditions: --- 1. If 25% or more of LP active users indicate they do not want you as owner, (that is, do not vote for you) the offer is withdrawn and you do not accept ownership. (This logically translates to 75% approval. A vote for another option is counted toward the 25% figure.) ---- 2. You will not take ownership until a suitable moderator is selected with a 75% approval rate from LP members. --- (If you have been following the discussion thread on LP of course you already know this but I wanted to put it on the table as accurately as possible.)

------- I have been attempting (like others) to follow your comments on those threads, and and like the others, I find them confusing. Why don't you just post our original email exchange, in its entirety, and then try to explain why you decided to make this a complicated four choice election instead of simply asking the members if they wanted me as an owner? ----- If 25 individuals had voted no, that would have been the end of it for me.

>> If I am mistaken in any of this please provide a precise statement of the contingencies which I will post in its entirety on your behalf. If there are any significant errors in my reporting of your offer I will publicly apologize for my error in interpretation and take whatever action is necessary to insure a fair vote, including invalidation of current votes and starting the process over if it comes to that. Despite our differences you made a bona fide offer and it is my desire to give you a fair shake. ------ sysadmin posted on 2015-01-12 9:11:42 ET

-------- The way you put on a four part 'election' did not make it a fair shake for anyone, imho. --- But it did indicate that my ownership of the site was not acceptable for at least 25 out of the 100 or so active members. So be it...

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#3. To: tpaine (#0)

sysadmin is wilting under the intense pressure of the poll he constructed.

Oh, it's killing him!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-12   10:56:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Fred Mertz, Y'ALL, tooconservative (#3)

sysadmin LP --- I understand what you are saying, but this process has all taken place in the open and tpaine has not complained.

Bull, I've complained about his procedure since I've been posting here. And most if not all of those posts have been reposted at LP.

TooConservative--- That's harder to do when he's banned here. You could at least let him comment but not post articles. --- And regardless of whether he complains, he made one proposal only. A single vote for him and for his moderator (assuming he can find one). Not tossing in Pericles, you or shutting LP down.

Obviously, sysadmin, will not hear any criticism of his methods.

Obviously, he is winning hands down already. Only votes for you or for shutdown can exclude him in any fair assessment of the votes cast. ---- Are you really content to hand the forum over to a retread who Goldi banned instead of someone who posted steady for 10 years at TOS and then posted for 8 years here at LP without getting banned? Maybe the record should be allowed to speak somewhat for itself. ---- tpaine should have apologized for posting Volokh. But not everyone knows that WaPo purchased Volokh. I always oppose posting LAT/WaPo articles due to their litigation against TOS. But LP is a non-profit and a very tine forum, not even visible on Google/Yahoo/Bing. So the risk really is quite minimal. There are far better targets for packs of media lawyers to sue than to pick on LP. For instance, the known for-profit aggregators over at TOS. And they get away with excerpts and reach a far larger audience.

Your kicking a dead sysadmin's horse. He's convinced I did something, gasp, illegal...

The point remains: tpaine never proposed taking a vote on anything other than him and his choice of moderator and that alone. So when you keep trying to say these are tpaine's conditions, that isn't true. He never proposed a vote between him and Destro. Or between him and you. Or between him and shutting down LP. tpaine proposed none of that. You can't seriously pretend that he did. If you think he did, post his email here where he suggests anything other than a straight up-down vote on him and a moderator.

Thank you for calling his bluff.

Of course, I'm not even sure that tpaine is still interested. --- TooConservative

Frankly, I'm not. Even with you as a moderator/techie, I can see that it just wouldn't work. -- I hate to see LP go under, but as someone mentioned, LF is an option, among with thousands of others.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-12   11:20:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#5)

My guesstimate:

- 90 percent want elPee to carry on [Options 1, 2 or 3]

- 10 percent want to shut it down [Option 4]

So, what do they do? They shut it down.

They've chosen the easier wrong.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-12   11:42:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz, tpaine (#11)

My guesstimate:

- 90 percent want elPee to carry on [Options 1, 2 or 3]

- 10 percent want to shut it down [Option 4]

So, what do they do? They shut it down.

They've chosen the easier wrong.

Please help me out here. You claim that 90% want LP to continue and 10% wanted shut down - that's 100%. And you are claiming that both positions are wrong with one being easier than the other? I can't wait to hear you logic on this.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-12   16:55:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SOSO (#32)

Please help me out here. You claim that 90% want LP to continue and 10% wanted shut down - that's 100%. And you are claiming that both positions are wrong with one being easier than the other? I can't wait to hear you logic on this.

Yes, 80 - 90% wanted elPee to remain alive and in operation. Votes for Options [1, 2 or 3].

That would take some funds, effort, time and energy to keep the place going. That is the harder right thing to do IMO.

10 - 20% wanted to shut it down - Option 4. That's easy to do with the one time effort...and wrong IMO.

I don't know why you didn't get it. Do you get it now?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-12   19:22:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Fred Mertz, TooConservative (#42)

I don't know why you didn't get it.

Easy, you did not atriculate your thought very well. Read it again. It easily can be understood to mean there was a harder wrong and an easier wrong choice.

Now you claim that keeping LP alive was the right choice. You are entitled to your opinion but its strange coming from one that abandon that site quite some time ago - and especially if you still maintained an account there from which you could have registered your vote.

There were very few on LP in the most recent discussion about the vote that expressed the opinion that tpaine was getting screwed by the way the vote was constructed and the representation that tpaine himself asked for a 75% approval on a four choice vote. If you still have access to LP do the research. If you don't asl TooConservative to fill you in.

From what I recall of you truth seeking is not your strong point.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-13   1:13:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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