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Title: NO WARNINGS FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. You're gone: tpane banned at eLPee by sysadmin, Gatlin, Palmdale, community agitators
Source: eLPee
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=349958&Disp=12#C12
Published: Jan 6, 2015
Author: sysadmin
Post Date: 2015-01-06 22:46:59 by Hondo68
Keywords: community agitators, palmdale, tater, gatlin
Views: 58014
Comments: 94

#6. To: sysadmin (#5) (Edited)

URL Source: [None]
Post Date: 2015-01-05 22:01:50 by tpaine

L.A. Times v. Free Republic

Source: The Washington Post.

I can see it now: The Washington Post v. Liberty Post courtesy of tpaine.

How much did the lawsuit cost Free Republic?

Sys Admin - I suggest you remove the article and include tpaine in your ping since he posted it. Goldi Has repeatedly stated NOTHING is to be posted from The Washington Post as per the letter TWP sent to her and tpaine KNOWS this. I suspect that is why he intentionally left the source blank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/05/uncivil- obedience/

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-06   20:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace  


#7. To: sysadmin (#5)

FYI

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-06   20:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#8. To: Gatlin (#6)

Goldi Has repeatedly stated NOTHING is to be posted from The Washington Post as per the letter TWP sent to her and tpaine know this. I suspect that is why he intentionally left the source blank.

Not good.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-06   20:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#9. To: Palmdale (#8)

Goldi Has repeatedly stated NOTHING is to be posted from The Washington Post as per the letter TWP sent to her and tpaine know this. I suspect that is why he intentionally left the source blank.

Not good.

Not good at all!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-06   20:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#10. To: Gatlin, Palmdale, tpaine (#9)

Are you guys saying that tpaine deliberately posted copyrighted material and attempted to hide that it was coming from such a source? That is a serious charge.

Tpaine, I'm giving you the opportunity to explain whether or not this is the case. In the meantime I am going to redact the original article until the truth of this can be determined.


#12. To: tpaine (#11)

I'd say we should wait and see if the washpost sends us another infringement notice. -- I'd bet that since we no longer have an 'owner' (subject to finding Goldies will), that they simply won't bother, and so will no one else.

Yes, I now "own" the virtual server LP is running on as I am the one one paying the bill. Very soon LP will be running on my own server. I am the one who will be held responsible for any violations.

I'm very sorry, but I will not tolerate illegal actions of any kind here. NO WARNINGS FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. You're gone.

Since the offending material has been removed I will leave this thread here as a warning. I'll leave it open for now but may lock it after hearing what the community has to say.

sysadmin  posted on  2015-01-06   20:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace  


Poster Comment:

Shot down by nanny state community organizers, tater and palmjob.

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#18. To: Fred Mertz (#4)

" Get a load of this boat load of crap. "

Yeah, a real wad.

They should change the name of the place to "Romper Room".

They way it is going, they will eventually implode.

Stoner  posted on  2015-01-08   14:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Stoner (#18)

Stupid Old Drunk/SOD returned with a vengeance.

Palmhair has become emboldened.

Tater/Gatlin plays the Eddie Haskell role pretty well.

It is interesting to watch.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-08   14:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

It's like: Tpaine - come on over to LF, and you'll become a son of God!

Now THAT'S Powah!

LOL only you Vic would come up with that:)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-08   16:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fred Mertz, CZ82, Liberator (#19)

Willie Green is back too. Once a favorite (/sarc) for many! Although it is just an alternate screen name is my estimate.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-08   16:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#10)

No, the new "owner", squatter, mossad operative, whatever.... sysadmin. He's got that same ahole aura as Magician.

http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349939&Disp=103#C103

The bloviating gasbag also known a tpaine was removed from the site for knowing violating posting rules and putting any and all owners of this site in legal and fiscal peril.

Gatlin posted on 2015-01-08 10:00:16 ET

Who the heck is/are "any and all owners" of LP?

http://who.is/domain-history/libertypost.org

The registration information shows eNom, Inc (R39-LROR), and "Raw Registrar Data December 28, 2014" indicates registrar info in Panama, with the name of the contact information listed as "WhoisGuard Protected."

The "Old Registrar Info" shows shows Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR), and "Old Raw Registrar Data February 17, 2010" with a location of 12 Carroll St., Suite 6022, Westminster, MD 32256 with the administrative contact information listed as Goldi Lox at the same address. The technical contact information lists Goldi Lox at the same address except the zip code is listed as 21157.

32256 is Jacksonville, FL. 21157 is Westminster, MD.

The legal owner of the site would appear to be the estate of Goldi-Lox. The site registration was changed post-mortem. If the domain ownership was released for non-payment, it could have been purchased by a new owner of the domain name. If someone just paid the bill, then the domain name remains with the estate of Goldi. Any equipment owned by Goldi, such as a server, would be part of her estate. I recall LP having a fund raiser to buy a new server some time back.

Assuming Goldi was truly intestate (no will), if the State does not find a living relative, estate property goes to the State of Florida. Unless someone at LP is a living relative, they are not going to inherit any property such as a server.

Things such as insurance policies designated to some person or organization go as designated.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-08   18:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan, Jeb Bush Liberty Post (#22)

estate property goes to the State of Florida

Maybe Jeb Bush will buy it at a gov auction.

Sysadmin was talking about moving it onto his existing server, to further reduce costs.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-08   19:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23)

Maybe Jeb Bush will buy it at a gov auction.

Jeb Bush -- mebbe he can buy the GOPe nomination. I can see the primary campaign issue now -- would you rather have another George W. Bush term or another Bill Clinton term?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-08   23:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu chan (#24)

I would rather have another Clinton term.

That's an easy one.

Under Clinton, the economy soared and we had a budget surplus.

Under Bush, the economy fell apart and our budget fell into massive deficits again, thanks to excessive tax cuts for the rich.

If the country is given the straight up choice between Clinton or Bush, they will choose Clinton, hands down.

I won't vote for Hillary, because Democrats are baby murderers. But then, so are Republicans. So, both are too evil to assent to.

Given the choice between two sets of murderers, it's easy to see who to prefer: the Clintonites led the country to private prosperity AND fiscal surplus. The Bushes - both of them - favored private prosperity of rich crony capitalists to the exclusion of everybody and everything else, and left the economy in shambles.

That's what Republicans do. The short-term burst of profiteering benefits the crony capitalists, but it's paid for by running up the nation's credit card.

Bill Clinton was FAR more responsible at handling the economy, and more successful at it than any President in our lifetimes.

Therefore, if it were a choice between BILL Clinton and ANY Bush, you'd want Bill Clinton back in office.

Of course, it's not Bill we'll be seeing. It's Hillary. Still, you're very likely to see Team Clinton reconstituted, and they were very good at economic matters.

So, if that's the choice: a Clinton and team Clinton, or a Bush and team Bush, it's easy: Clintons again, hands down.

But I'm not voting for babykillers either way.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-09   6:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

I would rather have another Clinton term.

That's an easy one.

Under Clinton, the economy soared and we had a budget surplus.

Under Bush, the economy fell apart and our budget fell into massive deficits again, thanks to excessive tax cuts for the rich.

You can't be serious. You will pick a murdering pro abort, who inherited the good of the Reagan economy.

Bush got stuck with what Clinton did.

Tax cuts for the rich? Everyone got tax cuts. Everyone pays to much taxes. If there are tax cuts of say 5 percent across the board. Of course the rich are going to get more of a tax rebate.

Half the people pay no federal taxes.

Where is the Biblical standard that says soak the rich. I thought the word of God said you keep the fruits of your labor.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-09   11:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

I won't vote for Hillary,

Ok I see that point now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-09   11:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

Bill Clinton was FAR more responsible at handling the economy, and more successful at it than any President in our lifetimes.

Actually the Gingrich congress did that. Gingrich had balls. Boehner doesn't.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-09   11:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)

Actually the Gingrich congress did that. Gingrich had balls. Boehner doesn't.

Apparently, amongst other things, Clinton was busying himself raping child slaves at a secret compound.

Hillary & Bill Clinton = Scum of the earth.

Nexus6  posted on  2015-01-09   12:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#22)

LP is running on a rented server, so there is no physical material associated with the Liberty Post web site.

In my view, given the time SysAdmin has been working with Goldi, he is the next logical successor to taking over LP.

In spite of that view, SysAdmin has made it clear on LP that it's possible the domain name could be legally claimed by some party who claims a right to Goldi's estate. But unless and until that happens, SysAdmin has defacto and IMO, moral right to run the site.

BTW, Goldi did not pay for the domain's initial domain name registration, so if a legal issue were to be made on those grounds....

Finally, SysAdmin is a very good guy. That he has unwillingly found himself having to make decisions that would inevitably result in him being called profanities by some objectionable party doesn't change the fact that he's a good guy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-01-09   12:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#30)

Finally, SysAdmin is a very good guy.

I guess I only have part of the story. None of my business anyway. I should just not say anything about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-09   14:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#26)

You can't be serious. You will pick a murdering pro abort,

I will pick neither, but I am serious.

The Republican Party has controlled the Supreme Court continuously since 1969. It was a Republican Supreme Court that gave us Roe v. Wade, and Republican Supreme Courts continuously ever since that have done nothing but strengthen Roe.

Republicans are murdering pro-aborts too. The GOP gave us Roe, not the Democrats. And the GOP reinforced Roe with Casey. Not the Democrats. It was Republicans - Reagan in fact - who put O'Connor and Kennedy on the court, and Bush who put Souter up there. W Bush tried to foist off Harriet Miers on the country. The Republican Party is pro-abortion, even if people who call themselves Republicans think it is pro-life.

Clinton did not "inherit the good of the Reagan economy". The stock market collapsed in 1987 and we fell into a recession. H.W. Bush said he wasn't going to raise taxes, then he did. When Clinton took over, the US economy was not in great shape.

No Bush ever came close to balancing the federal budget.

After 8 years of Clinton, we had a budget surplus.

Clinton put into place a tax regime that found the sweet spot: not too low and not too high, and the economy did great under his Presidency.

You credit Gingrich? Well, Reagan had speaker Tip O'Neill passing laws, so, shall we credit Tip O'Neill and the Democrats with whatever good Reagan did?

The buck stops at the President's desk. The President gets the credit, and the President gets the blame. Being President is about exercising leadership. Reagan and Clinton could lead, and WHERE they led was mostly good. Not perfect. Men are not perfect. Both Reagan and Clinton left the country stronger and better off than they found it.

H.W. Bush did not. W. Bush did not. Obama is going to, though not as well off as we ought to be.

Half of people pay no federal taxes?

Untrue. Everybody who has a paycheck pays the flat Medicare and Social Security tax rate on every dollar of his wages starting with the first.

Everybody who buys gas or uses a telephone pays federal taxes. Everybody who buys alcohol or tobacco pays federal taxes.

The only people who pay no federal taxes are children.

A significant number of people don't pay income taxes, but that is not the same thing as paying no taxes. The poorest worker pays a lot in taxes.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-09   15:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Murron, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#1)

When you switch from here back over there again, please say hi to Murron.

Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09

libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...ArtNum=350025&Disp=51#C51

Your fanboi is clamoring for attention. /s


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-09   16:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#33)

Your fanboi is clamoring for attention. /s

What's new?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-09   17:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#33) (Edited)

Your fanboi is clamoring for attention. /s

YEP! He's found his calling, and a fool who lets him get away with it. He's free now to hijack any thread, trash it, trash and disrespect members with impunity, while at the same time, accuse them of what he is doing. The height of hypocracy....the prick provokes responses he doesn't like, then hides behind the bozo, or so he says, but I'll wager the worm peeks....LOL!

http://libertypost.net/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=350025&Disp=Refresh&#Bottom

#6. To: SOD, Infowarrior, sysadmin (#1) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:03:51 ET

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#7. To: Infowarrior, SOD, Palmdale (#2) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:07:46 ET

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#11. To: Infowarrior (#5) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:14:21 ET

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#13. To: Infowarrior (#10) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:16:32 ET

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#14. To: Infowarrior (#8) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:19:54 ET

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#17. To: Infowarrior (#15)

Infowarrior:"Explain what happened to make you think you are anyone I have to answer to".

GATLIN:

Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:25:50 ET

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#20. To: Infowarrior (#8) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:36:26 ET

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#22. To: Infowarrior (#19) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 11:38:55 ET

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#38. To: Palmdale, Booshbot666, sysadmin (#35) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 13:40:07 ET Reply

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#40. To: sysadmin, Booshbot666, Palmdale (#33) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 13:45:38 ET

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#44. To: sysadmin, TooConservative, Booshbot666 (#40) Gatlin posted on 2015-01- 09 15:13:07 ET

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#46. To: Booshbot666, sysadmin (#42) (Edited) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 15:35:18 ET

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#47. To: sysadmin, infowarrior (#31) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 15:45:58 ET

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#51. To: Booshbot666, sysadmin (#23) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 16:20:33 ET

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#52. To: Booshbot666, sysadmin (#49) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09 16:29:03 E

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#54. To: Palmdale, sysadmin, Booshbot666 (#50) Gatlin posted on 2015-01-09

Saga of the Gatlin, to be continued....

("Throw me to the wolves...and I will return leading the pack")

Murron  posted on  2015-01-09   17:44:00 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Murron (#35)

Oh by the way congratulations for being bozo'd by him!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-09   17:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#36)

Oh by the way congratulations for being bozo'd by him!

Yeah, what's he think? I'll cry and lose sleep over it? LOL!

("Throw me to the wolves...and I will return leading the pack")

Murron  posted on  2015-01-09   18:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Murron (#35)

The height of hypocracy....the prick provokes responses he doesn't like, then hides behind the bozo, or so he says, but I'll wager the worm peeks....LOL!

You know damn well he peeks, he has to or otherwise he wouldn't know if he was hitting the urinal or filling his shoes! :)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-09   19:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: CZ82 (#38)

You know damn well he peeks, he has to or otherwise he wouldn't know if he was hitting the urinal or filling his shoes! :)

omg...my coffee went down the wrong way and out my nose ahahaha

("Throw me to the wolves...and I will return leading the pack")

Murron  posted on  2015-01-09   19:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Vicomte13 (#32)

The stock market isn't the economy. Clinton inherieted Reagans excellent economy. There were still a lot of things being made in America before Clinton signed NAFTA and sold out the middle class. That caused a great big sucking sound that was the genesis for the crappy economy to this day. That and GATT.

Oh yeah Clinton also sold China our misslie techology, er I mean he commited treason and gave it to them.

Democrats want you to work for the lazy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-09   19:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#30)

Post Date: 2009-11-14 17:40:46 by Goldi-Lox

Former clown posse members are NOT welcome here. Please leave on your own. Or as soon as you are outted by those here who hate you, you will removed.

FYI, as I was a former CP member, and Goldi said none were welcome at LP anymore, I voluntarily chose to stop posting at LP a little over five years ago when Goldi published her policy (several years after CP went out of existence).

I have no personal interest in what LP does other than the curiosity of an outsider looking in. It is a rather unique circumstance I haven't heard of before.

Certainly, all those who consider it "home" would like the site to continue.

In my view, given the time SysAdmin has been working with Goldi, he is the next logical successor to taking over LP.

In my view, the next logical successor would not be an anonymous sysadmin. It could be that person with his or her LP handle revealed so the members would know who is being put in charge. If his/her posting history is unobjectionable, his/her handle should not be a problem.

In spite of that view, SysAdmin has made it clear on LP that it's possible the domain name could be legally claimed by some party who claims a right to Goldi's estate. But unless and until that happens, SysAdmin has defacto and IMO, moral right to run the site.

I doubt anyone with a claim on the estate will turn up and be interested in LP. All that needs be done is to let the domain ownership expire and be released, and then have sysadmin or whoever claim it and pay for it. When CP (Clown Posse) expired, someone bought the domain name.

I reckon someone has to suppervise the site, if it is to continue, and sysadmin seems to be one who knows what needs to be done, and has the ability to get it done (with assistance from someone such as yourself, as necessary).

As I noted upstream at #12, "It should be noted that tpaine was wrong to post the offending material. tpaine was also wrong to advocate doing it again. His banning was justified — LP can't just let him do it again and again. Removing the offending material was correct and necessary."

BTW, Goldi did not pay for the domain's initial domain name registration, so if a legal issue were to be made on those grounds...

This argument lacks merit. Who paid is not important. Who held the title when Goldi died is important. If you pay for a car and place the title in my name, you have no claim to the car should I die. It would be part of my estate. If the domain name or the site has value, it belongs to the estate.

Finally, SysAdmin is a very good guy.

Sysadmin may be a wonderful, very good, very talented guy who is the best person for the job. Title to the site does not devolve on the basis of being an anonymous good guy, or even a known good guy. Title does not devolve even upon unanimous support of LP posters. The domain is owned and not by them.

That he has unwillingly found himself having to make decisions that would inevitably result in him being called profanities by some objectionable party doesn't change the fact that he's a good guy.

A saint could take over and would be called objectionable names. I have not called him any names.

A problem is that LP is just a website. Nothing belongs to it. Even the archives belong to the estate of Goldi. Somebody must be responsible to answer potential copyright or libel actions. Right now, I reckon that is probably the executor of the estate of Goldi.

Any authority granted by Goldi to her agent sysadmin died with Goldi. Even had he been granted a power of attorney to act as sysadmin, it died with the Principal, Goldi. Sysadmin has published knowledge of Goldi's death and there can be no legal claim to use prior authority to take over the management of her affairs post mortem.

Absent a will, it is just a bit messy.

SysAdmin has defacto and IMO, moral right to run the site.

Actually, Sysadmin has no authority. Any authority he had as Goldi's agent died with Goldi and his knowledge of her death.

http://info.legalzoom.com/power-attorney-end-upon-death-20235.html

Death of the Principal

Section 111 of the Uniform Power of Attorney Act provides that the power of attorney terminates when the principal dies. This rule is followed in all states. For example, Florida laws state that a power of attorney expires upon the principal’s death. In this situation, the agent no longer has authority to act on behalf of the principal, and the principal’s successors take over the management of his affairs.

Validation of Agent's Actions

In some situations the agent may not know of the principal’s death and may continue to act under the power of attorney, for example, by paying bills or signing documents. If the agent does not know that the principal has died, the law generally allows him to continue acting as agent until he is notified of the death. For example, Chapter 1337.091 of the Ohio Code states that if an agent carries out his duties without knowing that the principal has died, his actions remain valid, provided that he acts in good faith.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0709/0709.html

709.2109 Termination or suspension of power of attorney or agent’s authority.— 
(1) A power of attorney terminates when:
(a) The principal dies;
(b) The principal becomes incapacitated, if the power of attorney is not durable;
(c) The principal is adjudicated totally or partially incapacitated by a court, unless the court determines that certain authority granted by the power of attorney is to be exercisable by the agent;
(d) The principal revokes the power of attorney;
(e) The power of attorney provides that it terminates;
(f) The purpose of the power of attorney is accomplished; or
(g) The agent’s authority terminates and the power of attorney does not provide for another agent to act under the power of attorney.
(2) An agent’s authority is exercisable until the authority terminates. An agent’s authority terminates when:
(a) The agent dies, becomes incapacitated, resigns, or is removed by a court;
(b) An action is filed for the dissolution or annulment of the agent’s marriage to the principal or for their legal separation, unless the power of attorney otherwise provides; or
(c) The power of attorney terminates.
(3) If any person initiates judicial proceedings to determine the principal’s incapacity or for the appointment of a guardian advocate, the authority granted under the power of attorney is suspended until the petition is dismissed or withdrawn or the court enters an order authorizing the agent to exercise one or more powers granted under the power of attorney.
(a) If an emergency arises after initiation of proceedings to determine incapacity and before adjudication regarding the principal’s capacity, the agent may petition the court in which the proceeding is pending for authorization to exercise a power granted under the power of attorney. The petition must set forth the nature of the emergency, the property or matter involved, and the power to be exercised by the agent.
(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, unless otherwise ordered by the court, a proceeding to determine incapacity does not affect the authority of the agent to make health care decisions for the principal, including, but not limited to, those provided in chapter 765. If the principal has executed a health care advance directive designating a health care surrogate, the terms of the directive control if the directive and the power of attorney are in conflict unless the power of attorney is later executed and expressly states otherwise.
(4) Termination or suspension of an agent’s authority or of a power of attorney is not effective as to an agent who, without knowledge of the termination or suspension, acts in good faith under the power of attorney. An act so performed, unless otherwise invalid or unenforceable, binds the principal and the principal’s successors in interest.
History.—s. 11, ch. 2011-210.

scholarship.law.umt.edu/mlr/vol22/iss1/7/

See also: "Termination of Agency by Death or Incapacity," by William McCormick, Montana Law Review, Vol. 22, Issue 1, Fall 1960, Article 7, July 1960.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-09   21:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

Under Clinton, the economy soared and we had a budget surplus.

I disagree that Clinton actually ran a surplus, but he came closer than anyone since Eisenhower to balancing the budget. See Debt to the Penny. By my reckoning, the last time the debt went down was 1950 to 1951.

That minor quibble aside, Clinton was a stupendous economic success compared to his contemporaries - Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and Obama.

If the country is given the straight up choice between Clinton or Bush, they will choose Clinton, hands down.

I agree. I think a Jeb Bush nomination would be political suicide. Such a consideration did not stop the nominations of Dole, McCain or Romney. The establishment would rather lose an election and lose control of the party.

Of course, it's not Bill we'll be seeing. It's Hillary.

That's true and it's very unlikely I could find a reason to vote for Hillary or Jeb.

At least the campaign could keep us awake if it were between liberals and conservatives, for example Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz or whoever.

But I'm not voting for babykillers either way.

That pretty much rules out the any Democratic or GOPe candidate. I doubt any actual pro-life, no exceptions, candidate can win the primaries and get a major party nomination.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-09   21:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone, Vicompte13 (#40)

The stock market isn't the economy. Clinton inherieted Reagans excellent economy.

But it must be acknowledged that Reagan's excellent economy about tripled the Federal debt and it was inherited by Poppy Bush, not Clinton. For multiplication of the Federal debt of all those who preceded him, Reagan exceeded the accomplishments of Obama.

See Debt to the Penny

09/28/1990 	3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 	2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 	2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 	2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 	2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985   	1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 	1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 	1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 	1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 	  997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 	  907,701,000,000.00

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-09   21:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: nolu chan, Vicomte13 (#41)

I think you're trying to apply estate law concerning tangible assets or income to a non-profit website.

Other than the domain name, exactly what do you think Goldi owned?

The articles? Of course not. Not even the vanities. Maybe she owned the LibertyPost Townhall threads and her own vanity posts.

Nor did Goldi ever assert any ownership over the contents of the website including users' posts. How could she?

And the forum software is all public domain.

Other than the domain names and control of the database/server, exactly what did Goldi own? That is where your argument falls to pieces.

Notice that Goldi claimed a copyright but the site never displayed one nor do sysadmin or Neil seem to know anything about a copyright. Also, no trademark is displayed. To protect intellectual property, you have to prominently display and vigorously defend any infringement of your copyrights/trademarks.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-09   22:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: nolu chan (#43)

For multiplication of the Federal debt of all those who preceded him, Reagan exceeded the accomplishments of Obama.

I have been seeing this lately from a lot of lefties.

Apparently percentages now more relevant than actual dollars.

Obama has increased the debt by 7.5 trillion with a few years left to go.

That is a hell of a lot of real money.

In other words if I offered you a choice between getting $100 and and three times $15. If you took the $15 times 3 simply because you were tripling something, even though it was still less than $100, you would be a moron.

Nexus6  posted on  2015-01-09   22:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Nexus6, ramen bucks (#45)

An eighties dollar was worth a lot more than today's globalist neocon dollar. Percentages are a more accurate metric.

You're comparing apples and ramen noodles.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-09   23:09:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: hondo68 (#46)

An eighties dollar was worth a lot more than today's globalist neocon dollar. Percentages are a more accurate metric.

One still cannot compare things using two different things.

One must either settle on percentage comparison or one of real, inflation adjusted dollars to make a real comparison. It isn't very accurate to use percentages of increase as the base number (dollars) are different.

My suspicion is that Obama is far worse than any previous president. Why do I think this? Because leftists came out with this 'study' and leftists almost always lie.

Nexus6  posted on  2015-01-09   23:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Nexus6 (#45)

I have been seeing this lately from a lot of lefties.

I haven't seen it from any lefties.

In other words if I offered you a choice between getting $100 and and three times $15. If you took the $15 times 3 simply because you were tripling something, even though it was still less than $100, you would be a moron.

Would a $45 raise in the great depression years be worth more than a $100 raise today?

Comparing such raises dollar to dollar is invalid when inflation has greatly changed the value of the dollars being compared.

However one compares Reagan to Clinton on management of the deficit and the debt, Reagan does not fare well.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-10   0:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative, Vicompte13 (#44)

I think you're trying to apply estate law concerning tangible assets or income to a non-profit website.

Other than the domain name, exactly what do you think Goldi owned?

The articles? Of course not. Not even the vanities. Maybe she owned the LibertyPost Townhall threads and her own vanity posts.

Nor did Goldi ever assert any ownership over the contents of the website including users' posts. How could she?

And the forum software is all public domain.

No. I am considering a tangible legal instrument of some value, the title of ownership of the registered domain name.

Liberty Post is just a website. There is no corporate entity to own anything. Liberty Post is not a person, not even one of a legal fiction, as is a corporation. It owns nothing and can neither sue nor be sued. Goldi, or now her estate, could be sued.

Ownership of the registered domain name is a real asset.

Goldi owned the domain name and the archives. She did not own a copyright to everything in the archives, but she was free to shut down the site and take the archives with her. The copies in the archives were her property.

I believe you are incorrect in your claim that the forum software is public domain. Doesn't Neil sell or license Pinguinite?

You are mistaking copyright with ownership. A library may own the books on its shelves and can sell them or burn them, or stack them in the basement. The author or publisher may own the copyright to produce and sell additional copies of the books.

As for agency, it is beyond all doubt that when the agent knows the principal has died, the agent such as sysadmin, has no further power to act on behalf of the principal. At common law, notice of death is not required.

Notice that Goldi claimed a copyright but the site never displayed one nor do sysadmin or Neil seem to know anything about a copyright. Also, no trademark is displayed. To protect intellectual property, you have to prominently display and vigorously defend any infringement of your copyrights/trademarks.

I accept your representation that Neil and sysadmin know nothing of copyright. Copyright does not arise from a notice. It automatically exists. Copyright attaches to a work when it is created. Goldi could not copyright material created elsewhere and used on her site. She would, however, own the archive copy of her site.

https://www.google.com/#q=copyright+notice

U.S. Copyright Office

Circular 3

At page 1:

Copyright Notice

U.S. law no longer requires the use of a copyright notice, although placing it on your work is often beneficial. Prior law did, however, contain such a requirement, and the use of a notice is still relevant to the copyright status of older works. This circular describes the copyright notice provisions enacted in the 1976 Copyright Act (title 17, U. S. Code), which took effect January 1, 1978, and the effect of the 1988 Berne Convention Implementation Act, which amended the law to make the use of a copyright notice optional on copies of works published on and after March 1, 1989. Specifications for the proper form and placement of the notice are included.

Works published before January 1, 1978, are governed by the 1909 Copyright Act. Under that law, if a work was published under the copyright owner’s authority without a proper notice of copyright, all copyright protection for that work was permanently lost in the United States. For more information about the law governing copyright notice before January 1, 1978, see 37 C.F.R. 202.2, “Copyright Notice,” on the Copyright Office website at www.copyright.gov/title37.

At Page 5:

The omission of notice does not affect copyright protection, and no corrective steps are required if the work was published on or after March 1, 1989.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-10   0:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: nolu chan (#49)

Ownership of the registered domain name is a real asset.

True. There are ways to acquire it by stealth but apparently it is renewed, making this a moot point.

I believe you are incorrect in your claim that the forum software is public domain. Doesn't Neil sell or license Pinguinite?

He didn't sell or license the copy that I have. It is public domain. There are no notices of copyright at all.

Copyright attaches to a work when it is created. Goldi could not copyright material created elsewhere and used on her site. She would, however, own the archive copy of her site.

So you say she "owned" the copyrighted articles posted on her site? Or that she "owned" a copy of them? And what of the comments?

I think you are trying to apply estate law for things like books and other intellectual property to an anonymous user-driven non-profit news aggregation site that is dark web (i.e. never advertising its presence on the web).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-10   1:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TooConservative (#50)

True. There are ways to acquire it by stealth but apparently it is renewed, making this a moot point.

This is why I mentioned that it can just be allowed to expire and be released to the public. However, then the first applicant for the domain name likely wins the cookie. That may, or may not, be desired.

It is renewed, but in a renewal of a license, the name of the owner does not change. In the case of LP, nobody would have the legal authority to effect any change until the estate releases any claim.

So you say she "owned" the copyrighted articles posted on her site? Or that she "owned" a copy of them? And what of the comments?

She owned the archive of her site, whatever was on it. If the servers were hers, she could disconnect them and put them in her computer room. She could make a backup copy and delete whatever was on the servers.

And, --- N O ---, I did not say she owned copyrighted articles, or the copyrights to the copyrighted articles. If you own a book, you own the pages in the book and that copy of the words on the pages. You do not own the copyright.

She owned the entire archive which is the stored data files.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-01-10   1:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu chan (#51)

We're saying pretty much the same thing. You just attach more importance to it.

LP (software and database) are contained in a virtual machine which can be easily moved from server to server. It is being adapted to run on sysadmin's personal server at present.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-10   8:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: nolu chan (#43)

We still had a lot more American made stuff when Reagan was President. His polilcies put us on good ground for the future.

Clinton is a free traitor and a traitor. That has hurt the economy.

Clinton is largely responsible for the stock market crash with his elimination of Glass–Steagall.

The things the President does doesn't always bear fruit good or rotten on their term.

What exactly did Clinton to to make the economy better? Nothing that I can think of.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-10   10:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Nexus6. nolu chan (#45)

For multiplication of the Federal debt of all those who preceded him, Reagan exceeded the accomplishments of Obama.

Not really. That belongs to LBJ and FDR. They gave us socialist/communist security and the Awful Society legislation. That is what most of the growth in government comes from.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-10   10:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: nolu chan (#41)

In my view, the next logical successor would not be an anonymous sysadmin. It could be that person with his or her LP handle revealed so the members would know who is being put in charge. If his/her posting history is unobjectionable, his/her handle should not be a problem.

Members have no legal right to know the true identity of SysAdmin. Therefore, assuming control of the site does not obligate SysAdmin to disclose his own personal information.

This argument lacks merit. Who paid is not important. Who held the title when Goldi died is important. If you pay for a car and place the title in my name, you have no claim to the car should I die. It would be part of my estate. If the domain name or the site has value, it belongs to the estate.

Well, the key here is the domain name and data have a pretty much zero value, which will be evidenced by the fact that no claim will be made on it.

SysAdmin has defacto and IMO, moral right to run the site.

Actually, Sysadmin has no authority. Any authority he had as Goldi's agent died with Goldi and his knowledge of her death.

That's why I say it's now de facto his site. He has control of both the domain and the DB. Any laws saying otherwise mean nothing unless and until something is acted upon through those laws. Absent such actions, he has full power over the site. And unchallenged power = de facto authority. That is how it works when one country invades another, after all, and for the same reasons.

Nolu, one thing I have gained an appreciation for living in Ecuador is just how limited laws are. Laws are not some kind of magical, inescapable, edicts of God that intertwine with the fabric of the universe. They are merely tools which affected people either seek to use to further their own causes, or obstacles which people seek to overcome in furthering their own cause. Laws are limited by the degree to which they are enforced, and have no power beyond that point. This is true in every country, including the USA.

Ergo, no matter what laws exist, such as those you cited, that might imply that LP is part of Goldi's estate, if no action is taken on such laws then the laws are of no significance whatsoever. That's the reality, and reality trumps law.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-01-10   11:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Pinguinite (#55)

Nolu, one thing I have gained an appreciation for living in Ecuador

Escaping the authorities who were on to your your shenanigans in the US?

Laws are not some kind of magical, inescapable, edicts of God that intertwine with the fabric of the universe. They are merely tools which affected people either seek to use to further their own causes, or obstacles which people seek to overcome in furthering their own cause. Laws are limited by the degree to which they are enforced, and have no power beyond that point. This is true in every country, including the USA.

I actually agree with this. The US was enforcing the law you flaunted, so you ran to Ecuador. What happens when Ecuador makes you pay taxes?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-01-10   12:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Pinguinite, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#55)

nolu chan (#41) ---- And In my view, the next logical successor would not be an anonymous sysadmin. It could be that person with his or her LP handle revealed so the members would know who is being put in charge. If his/her posting history is unobjectionable, his/her handle should not be a problem.

Pinguinite--- Members have no legal right to know the true identity of SysAdmin. Therefore, assuming control of the site does not obligate SysAdmin to disclose his own personal information.

Pinguinite, technically, I'd suppose you're right. But I doubt a group of your peers would agree. -- And the consent of our peers is a big part of what our law is based upon.

Can you agree with that?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-10   16:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: tpaine, nolu chan, Pinguinite (#57)

In the FWIW category, I'd say that sysadmin doesn't have to be public but has to be available for a DMCA takedown notice. It's one of the things attached to domain names and keeping accurate records for your registrar, even if you stealth your DNS registration through Panama to hide the site's owners' info from the public.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-10   18:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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