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Title: I'm a Liberal Democrat. I'm Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.
Source: The Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g ... ral-democrat-im_b_6169542.html
Published: Nov 17, 2014
Author: H. A. Goodman
Post Date: 2014-11-17 10:57:06 by Hondo68
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Views: 69822
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The editor of Breitbart Unmasked, a site that I enjoy immensely and find informative, recently told me that supporting Rand Paul disqualifies a person from being labeled a progressive. My rebuttal was that he might be right. However, I also mentioned that Democratic Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia agreed with my latest Congress Blog piece. In the article, I explain why Rand Paul is correct in questioning the legality of President Obama's troop deployments. Sadly, people at UC Berkeley are more interested in protesting Bill Maher than condemning a conflict George McGovern stated weakens our country in the same manner as Vietnam. Hundreds of airstrikes, over 3,000 soldiers deployed, and a request for $5.6 billion is a war, folks.

Had President Mitt Romney just doubled our military presence in the Middle East and launched airstrikes that even the Kurds and the Free Syrian Army have criticized, the reaction would have been entirely different from liberals throughout the country. We once again have over 3,000 American boots on the ground in Iraq (without a peep from the anti-war left), only months after a VA crisis that caused veterans to die as they waited for health care, and about the same time as the publication of this book by an American general. To make matters worse, Congress is too cowardly to even debate the issue, despite calls for a discussion by Rand Paul. In the meantime, our values as a nation have succumb to fear mongering and paranoia.

Since 9/11, we've had to endure ideologues like Sean Hannity, a man who vehemently defends enhanced interrogation, yet is too chicken (insert the next word) to get waterboarded himself; even after promising on television that he would do so for charity. To prove that waterboaring is indeed torture, Christopher Hitchens actually did get waterboarded, yet the thought of nearly drowning apparently terrifies Fox's tough, football throwing host. Even petitions calling for Hannity to back up the bravado, or the fact that such interrogation methods endanger U.S. soldiers and besmirch our value system, haven't been enough to alter the conservative view of this un-American tool of statecraft. Alas, only Selsun Blue and unicorn tears, not water being poured onto his smug face wrapped in cloth and gasping for oxygen, will ever grace the Fred Flinstone-like visage of Sean Hannity.

In contrast, Rand Paul has called for the GOP to reject Dick Cheney for defending torture and asserted that Cheney helped launch the Iraq War to profit Halliburton. Only Rand Paul provides a voice for people disgusted by the fear peddlers on Fox, the tepid rebuttals to their madness by leading liberals like Hillary Clinton, and the media driven paranoia that shapes public policy. Today, over 40 percent of Americans favor ground troops in Iraq, just several years removed from the end of a deadly counterinsurgency war. Upholding Obamacare is important, but pales in comparison to the prospect of perpetual American military involvement in the Middle East or the destruction of our value system because of terrorism.

Rand Paul is my candidate in 2016, even though the Tea Party would consider me Joseph Stalin's love child. I'm for immigration reform and believe that illegal immigrants benefit this country. I've written many articles criticizing Tea Party paranoia. I'm against demagoguery from people like Paul Ryan who unfairly target inner city citizens and I'm for the federal legalization of gay marriage and marijuana. I think Ted Cruz is a buffoon and that we should listen to Stephen Hawking over Senator "Green Eggs and Ham" on climate change. Finally, I've also written two novels about the evils of religious fundamentalism and political demagoguery.

On all these possible points of contention with Rand Paul, the reality is that he isn't Ted Cruz or Lou Dobbs on these matters. Sen. Paul is a self-described "moderate" on immigration, much to the dismay of Tea Party Republicans. Paul's recent Bill Maher interview shows he's open to cleaner energy alternatives. Most importantly, Paul doesn't abide by the right-wing rhetoric blaming poor people for their predicament, or claiming God wants people to do this or that. Congress at the end of the day has the power of the purse, so if President Rand Paul scares you on economic matters, simply remember that only Congress can repeal or alter government programs and decide on budgets.

I've never voted for a Republican in my life, but in 2016, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul will be my choice for president. On issues that affect the long-term survival of this country; grandiose concerns like perpetual war that could send generations of Americans fighting and dying in the Middle East, domestic spying that could eventually lead to a police state, and numerous other topics, Rand Paul has shown that he bucks both the Republican and Democratic penchant for succumbing to public opinion, an overreaction to the terror threat, and a gross indifference to an egregious assault on our rights as citizens.

Yes, I'll have to concede some of my beliefs and roll the dice as to whether or not he'll flip-flop on issues, but Hillary Clinton and President Obama have changed their views on everything from gay marriage to marijuana legalization and Iraq, so I'm taking an educated gamble with Sen. Paul. Hillary Clinton alone has gone back and forth on enough issues to make the former Secretary of State a human version of Pong, so I'm not too worried about voting for Paul. Below are ten reasons this Democrat is voting for Rand Paul in 2016 and if my liberal membership card is revoked, I'll live with that; I'm not an ideologue like Sean Hannity, I'm an American.

1. Rand Paul will be more cautious with waging war than Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. Sen. Paul has called Obama's ISIS war illegal and isn't against defending American interests through military intervention, but stresses the importance of Congress making these decisions. Hillary Clinton, in contrast, thinks we should have armed the Syrian rebel groups several years ago. Try naming even one of the Syrian rebel groups and explaining their differences with ISIS. Furthermore, The Week states that "Clinton's instincts appear to be far more hawkish than Barack Obama's." Imagine a more hawkish Obama and you'll get the next President Clinton. Also, famed neocon Robert Kagan is one of Clinton's advisers and states in The New York Times, "I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy." That should tell you how liberal Clinton will be on matters of perpetual war in the Middle East.

2. The Los Angeles Times has referred to Paul as "one of the foremost critics of the government's domestic spying program." In early 2014, Sen. Paul filed a lawsuit against the NSA over domestic spying. Neither Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, nor any other candidate in 2016 has made this a top priority in their campaign. Sen. Paul has also voted against PATRIOT Act Extension bills, voted for an amendment that prohibits detention of U.S. citizens without trial (which of course didn't pass the Senate), and his voting record protects American citizens from politicians paranoid over terrorism. Sen. Paul was vehemently against the NDAA Indefinite Detention Bill that passed in 2013, because, "This bill takes away that right and says that if someone thinks you're dangerous, we will hold you without a trial. It's an abomination."

3. Rand Paul has teamed up with liberal Democratic Sen. Corey Booker to reform the criminal justice system. Their bill would improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans who've been adversely affected by non-violent criminal sentences. Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush don't care about reforming the criminal justice system, and if they do, it's on the bottom of their to do lists, far behind cozying up to Wall Street and increasing America's military presence in the Middle East.

4. POLITICO states Hillary Clinton is "Wall Street Republicans' dark secret" in 2016. I don't see Clinton as being any more liberal than Paul on Wall Street or banking, although perhaps she'd be more willing to save failed corporations than the Kentucky Senator. Also, Paul is one of the few Republicans who's addressed the GOP's love affair with corporations, stating that, "We cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people, and Wall Street...corporate welfare should once and for all be ended."

5. Sen. Paul thinks Edward Snowden was treated unfairly as a whistleblower and should have only spent "a few years" in prison. No other candidate in 2016 would dare take that position. The Wall Street Journal criticized Paul's position on the Snowden matter, and their criticism actually makes me like Rand Paul in 2016 even more. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is "puzzled" why Snowden would want to leave the U.S. and feels he might have helped terrorists with his disclosures.

6. Rand Paul publicized the issue of a possible government drone strike, on American soil, against American citizens. No, I'm not making this up. I don't want to get blown up eating a burrito at Chipotle because I visited Egypt to see the pyramids and happened to sit in a café frequented by a terrorist. In 2013, Rand Paul asked Eric Holder whether or not American citizens could be targeted by drones on American soil. Jon Stewart has a great segment about this. Eric Holder actually answered that theoretically, yes, drone strikes to kill Americans on U.S. soil could be viewed as legal, depending on the circumstance. If this doesn't frighten you, then vote for Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush, since neither one cares about this matter. Issues like drone strikes on American soil, against Americans, is why I don't believe in conspiracy theories. This sort of thing is being discussed today in plain sight, yet only Rand Paul and a few others have shown outrage over the potential of our government to possibly target its own citizens. If it's not an ISIL beheading video, nobody seems to care nowadays.

7. Rand Paul could bring back an era in American politics when conservatives and liberals socialized with one another. This alone would solve some of the gridlock in Washington. Paul has worked with 7 leading Democrats on a number of issues; working on everything from judicial reform, NSA surveillance, the limits of presidential authority to launch strikes in Iraq, and other issues. Imagine Ted Cruz reaching out to Nancy Pelosi, or Mitch McConnell having lunch with Hillary Clinton. Rand Paul, on the other hand, has worked to emulate this picture.

8. Rand Paul will not gut the economic safety nets of this country in the manner espoused by Paul Ryan and others. He doesn't want to dismantle Social Security. I do disagree with his view of the SNAP Program and certain other issues. However, Paul has stated, "I'm for a social safety net, but it should be minimized to helping those who can't help themselves." I don't ever recall Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan making that type of statement and mainstream Republicans do everything in their power to promote the view that safety nets equate to communism or socialism.

9. Neoconservatives hate Rand Paul. They like Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush a lot more, and The Weekly Standard, National Review, and others have voiced their reservations about a Rand Paul presidency. If neocons disagree with you, then you must be doing something right.

10. Rand Paul could be the answer to our philosophical conundrum as a nation. We're stuck with a GOP who thinks the globe is one giant Stratego board game with God helping roll the dice, a Democratic Party more focused on defending Obamacare than stopping endless wars or protecting civil liberties, and a populace that cares more about beheading videos than the erosion of rights or the welfare of our warriors. Is Paul the answer? I'm not certain. But compared to Hillary and Jeb Bush, I'll take the man who stated, "I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East."

If Rand Paul picks Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'll "evolve" towards Hillary. However, if Rand Paul picks someone reasonable who possesses his value system, I'll take my chances. President Rand Paul will be a nice change from Bush 2.0, Bush in a pantsuit, and especially Bush's brother. In 2016, I want someone who can protect us from ourselves and protect us from the media/terrorist driven fear that keeps America in endless war and allows attorney generals to rationalize a drone strike on American soil. Paul was also the first 2016 contender to visit Ferguson, and for some reason I just can't imagine Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush taking a moment to find out why Ferguson took place, and what steps are needed to solve that intractable situation.


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#45. To: Jameson (#41)

Forced volunteering? By definition, there is no such thing.

That doesn't matter. You and your sick ilk like redefining words.

By definition marriage is a man and a woman.

You have no right to talk about the meaning of words. Not with your track record.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-19   13:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Regulating the doctors wage doesn't make it a minimum wage. It makes it a maximum wage.

Yes, you're correct. That is already the way the vast majority of all doctors are paid now.

See, we're already there.

I propose they tax your salary an additional 25 percent to pay for the foreigners that you want to have healthcare.

You do understand that most of all the people who are here illegally already have access to healthcare, mostly through free clinics and ER's. - As I said, our immigration policy is exactly where the solution begins. We'll see what the republicans in congress propose.

Ever heard of operation wetback?

Sure, it really wasn't very successful.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-19   13:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)

Forced volunteering

That doesn't matter. You and your sick ilk like redefining words.

These are your words. Redefining, no.

By definition marriage is a man and a woman.

Straw Man

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-19   13:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jameson (#28)

Of course, I'll happily pay my share to make sure that ALL Americans have access to top quality health care.

Why can't they pay for it themselves like I do?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-19   18:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jameson (#35)

The lack of a meaningful immigration policy overhaul makes this very difficult.

We don't need immigration overhaul we just need those in charge to enforce laws already in existence.

BTW why are all of those illegals leaving their countries to come here when they should be staying in their countries and trying to make their countries better? Wouldn't that be the easiest thing for them to do and the best for all countries involved?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-19   18:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jameson (#35)

Deportation is simply impossible. Turning the sick away to suffer is inhuman.

The solution is committing the political will and the financial resources necessary to manage immigration.

Why does the American taxpayer have to foot the bill for those too lazy to change their home countries for the better, instead they come here for handouts????????

Sounds like you don't believe in self responsibility or integrity!!!!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-19   18:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: CZ82 (#48)

Why can't they pay for it themselves

Everyone should pay their fair share, wouldn't you agree?

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   3:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#49)

We don't need immigration overhaul we just need those in charge to enforce laws already in existence.

As a first step, perhaps -

why are all of those illegals leaving their countries to come here when they should be staying in their countries and trying to make their countries better?

I guess you should ask them..

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   3:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jameson (#51)

Everyone should pay their fair share, wouldn't you agree?

Everyone's fair share would be 100 percent of their own medical care.

My fair share isn't paying for your aids infested cubical friends who couldn't get a woman so they resorted to turning into a sex offender.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-20   10:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)

Everyone's fair share would be 100 percent of their own medical care.

That ship has sailed.... many years ago.

your argument is no longer valid.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   10:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jameson (#54)

That ship has sailed.... many years ago.

your argument is no longer valid.

How about this. I take a baseball bad and beat the snot out of you. Who should pay it me or the goverrnment.

How about this. You take the aids virus up you=r ass. Who pays you or the government?

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-20   11:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jameson (#54)

That ship has sailed.... many years ago.

So you are not really for fair share. You are just a little wuss metrosexual queer who sits in his cubicle and is told what to think and do. You aren't your own man. You are a peon working for someone else in your little cubicle. What a wuss. You're not a real American.

When the revolution comes I don't think you will make it. You're to stupid and you rely on other people to do things for you. Like pay your bills.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-20   11:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)

That ship has sailed.... many years ago.

One day you're going to grow up and come to grips with the reality that the world doesn't revolve around you and your fantasies of anarchy.

Until then you can continue to call names and make libelous accusations all you wish.

The rest of society will carry on without you.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   11:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jameson (#57)

How about this. I take a baseball bad and beat the snot out of you. Who should pay it me or the goverrnment.

How about this. You take the aids virus up you=r ass. Who pays you or the government?

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-20   12:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Jameson (#51)

Each person should pay for his own healthcare, period!!!!!!

If he/she can't afford it then oh well too bad no access. Just like anything else in this world if you can't afford it then you can't have it.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-20   18:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jameson (#52)

Don't need to ask them already know they are too lazy to do anything about it, so they come here for the "freebies" the Democraps offer as a bribe to vote for them.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-20   18:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jameson (#52)

As a first step, perhaps -

True, and then build the fence and get rid of the anchor baby law. Problem solved.

If you can't follow the rules and come here legally then you don't need to be here, simple aint it?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-20   18:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: CZ82 (#59)

Each person should pay for his own healthcare, period!!!!!!

If he/she can't afford it then oh well too bad no access.

yeah... sure

So all the old folks - the Medicare patients - what about them?

and the disabled - what's your solution?

And the vets... ???

Not quite that simple is it? Not to worry - This is the USA! We take care of our own! We'll make sure none of our brothers and sisters get screwed by big-medicine or big-pharma!!

"Each person should pay for his own healthcare, period!!!!!!" - Doesn't work

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   18:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: CZ82 (#60)

why are all of those illegals leaving their countries to come here when they should be staying in their countries and trying to make their countries better?

Don't need to ask them already know they are too lazy to do anything about it, so they come here for the "freebies" the Democraps offer as a bribe to vote for them.

That's a really ignorant statement. Not surprising, but really ignorant..

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   18:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: CZ82, liberator (#59)

It didn't take long. LP is back to Putin, Ukraine and pot 24/7.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-20   18:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: CZ82 (#61)

True, and then build the fence and get rid of the anchor baby law. Problem solved.

"Build the fence" HA! you're such a piece of work! there will never be a fence

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-20   19:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#64)

It didn't take long. LP is back to Putin, Ukraine and pot 24/7.

Of course; These issues are faaaar more important than Amnesty and a thousand other issues.

At LF I'm going to start posting threads on the tribal politics of Upper Volta and Nepal, the Swami's fanbois, and a robust discussion on (finally) making hashish legal.

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-20   21:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jameson, CZ82 (#65)

"Build the fence" HA! you're such a piece of work! there will never be a fence

If you have one around your sanitarium compound, then why not the border?

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-20   21:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jameson, CZ82 (#28)

I'll happily pay my share to make sure that ALL Americans have access to top quality health care.

Would you mind if *I* decided exactly what your "share" should be? I promise that it will be fair...

Oh...and you don't mind if I send over a half dozen Guatemalans to your place to eat, live, and use up all your Charmin, DO YOU? Or are you gonna be all selfish about sharing?

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-20   21:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: CZ82, Jameson (#50)

Why does the American taxpayer have to foot the bill for those too lazy to change their home countries for the better, instead they come here for handouts????????

Sounds like you don't believe in self responsibility or integrity!!!!!!!

Jameson doesn't believe in personal, local, OR nation sovereignty; He/she believes in President Darth Vader, coercive tyranny and fascist/Marxist dictates. Because this is what the Founding Fathers believed when that created the Constitution and Bill of Rights....OH WAIT.

"Self-responsibility and integrity" are not part of the Dems-Libs-Marxists' lingo. They are words only a "teabagger" racist, homophobe, and xenophobe would use.

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-20   21:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator (#66)

Don't forget to post political updates from Mongolia. Never know when a new Khan is on the rise.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-20   23:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#69)

He voted for Ed FitzGerald so he can't help it.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-21   6:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jameson (#65)

I don't mean 30' high double layer with razor wire but I also don't mean a 4' high barb wire fence either. Strategically placed sections along with motion/heat sensors in a lot of the remoter areas and drones for confirmation of what the sensors show, nothing hard to accomplish and not that expensive. Heck you're already paying with your tax dollars for the Border Patrol to be paid for being on permanent vacation.

But since the main players (and their main campaign contributors I.E. "handlers") in either party don't want to do the right thing concerning immigration (legal/illegal) it won't happen until they are gone. Just think if you don't get rid of them sometime soon minimum wage will be back to $1.98 per hr!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-21   7:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Liberator (#67)

If you have one around your sanitarium compound, then why not the border?

I was wondering what that construction project out on I70 just west of Columbus was for?

Another good place would be around Cleveland, Cincinnati and W. Dayton so the plantation dwellers can't escape!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-21   7:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: redleghunter, Liberator, AKA Stone (#64)

Also noticed it has gotten kinda quiet too.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-21   7:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator, CZ82 (#67)

...then why not the border?

There should be a fence, absolutely. My point is simply that it will never happen.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-21   7:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#69)

Jameson doesn't believe in personal, local, OR nation sovereignty; He/she believes in President Darth Vader, coercive tyranny and fascist/Marxist dictates.

HAHAHAHAHA!! YOU are one funny old fart!

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-21   7:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: hondo68 (#0)

I'm a Right Wing Conservative (Charter member of the NRWC) and I would love to cast a vote for either Trey Gowdy or Scott Walker.

IbJensen  posted on  2014-11-21   9:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: IbJensen, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#77)

I would love to cast a vote for either Trey Gowdy or Scott Walker

I'm a Right Wing Conservative (Charter member of the NRWC)

Hillary appreciates your support, by voting for those losers.

I'm a member of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", and Hillary's worst nightmare.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2014-11-21   11:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jameson (#75)

There should be a fence, absolutely.

One high enough that it might keep out snails?

My point is simply that it will never happen.

Why not in your opinion? Especially IF your Fuehrer's unconstitutional EO is allowed to stand? Didn't he promise to "increase security" at the border? Oh, never mind -- that means adding Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder to run it.

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-21   12:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jameson (#76)

Jameson doesn't believe in personal, local, OR nation sovereignty; He/she believes in President Darth Vader, coercive tyranny and fascist/Marxist dictates.

HAHAHAHAHA!! YOU are one funny old fart!

What am I wrong about? Laughing like a deranged ex-hippie cat-lady because there's MORE??

Face facts -- You still believe Der Fuerher has NOT violated the Constitution -- not even ONCE. And he (or you) hasn't ANY idea how Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the IRS targeting, scandals ad nauseam have been authorized and been FUBARED without his knowledge. Bwaahaa! Uh-huh. He ONLY discovers these scandals days later...on Tee-Bee!! He never even knew Gruber. Didn't know Rev. Wright wuz a racist; Hardly knew Bill Ayers. How adorable a fanboi you are!!

Hey -- Remember when you used to swoon and faint during his campaigning days when he promised to "heal the planet"? Oh, I get it -- President B. Hoosane Fuehrer IS the George Washington of our time, right?? My bad...(Seig HEIL!!)

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-21   12:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Liberator (#79)

Why not in your opinion?

"border security" has been an issue since the Reagan administration.

We've been treated to gop controlled congress and dem controlled congress...

We've had republican and democrat presidents....

24+ years and no meaningful change to our country's "border security"

Clearly there are more powerful people who benefit from an open border than there are powerful people who would benefit from a closed border.

It's that simple. IMHO

...Didn't he promise to "increase security" at the border?...

Yes! and gwb promised a fence.......

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-21   12:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Liberator (#80)

LOL - seriously!!

You're hysterical !!! Are you sober?

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-21   12:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Liberator (#79)

You know that Ray Charles is dead right? Have you been getting your weekly copy of the National Enquirer?

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

Jameson  posted on  2014-11-21   12:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Jameson (#81)

"border security" has been an issue since the Reagan administration.

We've been treated to gop controlled congress and dem controlled congress...

We've had republican and democrat presidents....

24+ years and no meaningful change to our country's "border security"

Yes, it's true the border has always been an issue.

BUT...Only B. Hoosane has changed the RoE of the BP not to "DO NOTHING." None of the other Presidents did "NOTHING." A fence was needed, but at least during the other Presidents' admins the BP could still arrest, fire at, or prevent intrusion.

Clearly there are more powerful people who benefit from an open border than there are powerful people who would benefit from a closed border. It's that simple. IMHO.

Yes. The beneficiaries are:

1) The Dem Party
2) Globalist-run business
3) Mexico and Third World riff-raff
4) The Elite Globalist-Firsters
5) Subversive haters of the USA

Those for whom this is a LOSE-LOSE:

1) The GOP
2) ALL citizens and classes of America's economic strata (except "rich" globalists)
3) The US Constitution
4) The USA

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-21   12:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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