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Title: THOM TILLIS DEFEATS KAY HAGAN
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern ... /Thom-Tillis-Defeats-Kay-Hagan
Published: Nov 5, 2014
Author: by CAROLINE MAY
Post Date: 2014-11-05 20:18:02 by out damned spot
Keywords: Tillis, Hagan, election 2014
Views: 10421
Comments: 34

HARLOTTE, N.C. — The optimism exuded by Republican state House Speaker Thom Tillis’ campaign and supporters Tuesday in the early evening, panned out later tonight when the challenger defeated the incumbent Sen. Kay Hagan (D-NC) in one of the tightest, most expensive races of the cycle.

The early vote totals showed Hagan leading but as the night wore on Tillis gained ground and as it became apparent that Tillis could win, his supporters — convened for an election night event with the candidate here at the Omni Charlotte Hotel — erupted in loud cheers and chants of “Thom! Thom! Thom!”

The Associated Press called the squeaker election for Tillis at 11:25 PM EST.

While Tillis, a Republican, trailed Hagan over the summer, the polls tightened through the fall to the point where there was hardly any daylight between the two candidates.

“He’s run an incredible campaign,” Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-NC) said of state House Speaker Thom Tillis Tuesday night as the election results came in a brief interview with Breitbart News. T he Republican businessman from Cornelius ran a nationally focused election, attempting to tie Hagan to an unpopular President Obama. The polls narrowed as Tillis and his surrogates hammered Hagan for her apparent improprieties in office and her record of voting with Obama up to 99 percent of the time.

The incumbent kept her focus on making the election a referendum on Tillis and his job as a state House Speaker slamming him for what she called massive cuts to North Carolina education.

Hagan and her supporters took Tillis to task on Democratic hobby-horse issues such as pay equity, Planned Parenthood, contraception, and minimum wage.

Tillis’ campaign emphasized matters like Hagan’s poor attendance record on the Senate Armed Service Committee — including skipping an ISIS briefing to attend a New York City fundraiser— flip-flops on an Ebola travel ban, her Obamacare “lies,” and the fact that her family personally benefited from the 2009 stimulus.

While Obama did not appear in the state with Hagan — in fact she spent a good amount of time trying to distance herself from Obama until the last moments of the election when her campaign ran a radio ad featuring an Obama endorsement — she brought in such Democratic powerhouses as Hillary and Bill Clinton to campaign for her.

Tillis, considered by some conservatives during the GOP primary to be an “establishment“ candidate, brought such Republicans in for his general election bid as former president Mitt Romney, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to the state.

The state’s senior senator, Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) explained to Breitbart News before the final results came in the importance of Tillis’ election.

“It’s important to me because it means my vote doesn’t get cancelled every time I go to the Senate floor, but from the standpoint of the American people it means that with a majority that’s Republican we can work with the House to put legislation on the president’s desk. And that is what the president hasn’t seen because Harry Reid didn’t allow that process to take place,” Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) told Breitbart News.

And while Hagan and Tillis were the two headliners there was also a wild card in the mix: Libertarian Sean Haugh, a pizza delivery man, also appeared on the ballot. As a Libertarian who ran to end all wars, legalize marijuana, and reduce the debt, there were question marks as to from who he would pull votes.

Both Tillis and Hagan supporters attempted to use his presence on the ballot as a way to tug votes away from one another — both at times advertising on Haugh's behalf, focusing on those aspects of his candidacy that would appeal to the other side.

Tillis, who watched the returns come in at the Omni Charlotte Hotel with his family, is scheduled to speak later in the evening.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

You post good news.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-05   22:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Yes she does. And when ODS left LP there are few real news articles.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-05   22:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#2)

And when ODS left LP there are few real news articles.

You are correct, right now the big stories at LP are about marijuana and anal sex, no news out of the Ukraine for some reason.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-06   0:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All, nativist nationalist, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#0)

Nice that you say so. Thank you. I watched a lot of good stories and threads get hijacked by some on LP. I suspect it was intentional.

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-06   5:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#4)

I watched a lot of good stories and threads get hijacked by some on LP. I suspect it was intentional.

I suspect you are correct.

Have you seen any articles yet on just how many seats went from D to R across the nation? I know in 2010 it was between 7-800.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-06   6:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: out damned spot (#4)

The top stories there right now are about sodomy and pot.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-06   12:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82 (#5)

CZ, I worked so hard on this election that my brains are literally scrambled. I kid you not! LOL I think we took 15 seats in Congress, added numerous Governors and many more to the lower levels of power. I just got up, so I don't know if those top numbers have been added to. Alaska, Lousiana (run-off) and 1 other state is still being counted.

Now the real fight begins. They are trying to change the narrative that we don't want infighting, get along and get things done. Liars! We DO want a fight and we DO want things to get done. We have to keep these b*&^$#* feet to the fire. Already!

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-06   19:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CZ82 (#5)

Here are the House gains from Viennacon:

John Ratcliffe (TX-4) - Shot down incumbent Ralph Hall in the Republican primary. Ran unopposed.

Dave Brat (VA-7) - Astonishingly demolished incumbent house majority leader Eric Cantor in arguably the cycle's biggest upset. Won the general.

Tom Emmer (MN-6) - Succeeding Bachmann, Emmer has a solid fiery conservative record. He won easily.

Jody Hice (GA-10) - Succeeding Broun, this guy is infuriating Democrats who are calling him 'the most evil republican of 2014!'... so you know he's solid gold! Easily won in the deep red district and has said he won’t vote for Boehner.

Barry Loudermilk (GA-11) - Succeeding Gingrey, Loudermilk is actually more conservative than his predecessor, endorsed by SCF, ran unopposed and won't vote for Boehner.

Mia Love (UT-4) - Early Tea Party favorite, after much struggle, she is IN!

Alex Mooney (WV-2) - Solid conservative wins the seat previously held by moderate now-Republican-senator Shelly Moore Capito in a walk.

David Rouzer (NC-7) - Been waiting to come to congress for a while, this was his year. Replaced retiring blue dog Democrat Mike McIntyre.

Ken Buck (CO-4) - Likely to be a little more conservative than now-Republican- senator Cory Gardner, former 2010 senate candidate is now a congressman.

Barbara Comstock (VA-10) - A Mark Levin pick for congress, she won easily the seat of retired RINO Frank Wolf.

Bruce Poliquinn (ME-2) - A very conservative candidate who won the primary in an upset. Establishment thought he'd lose. He didn't.

Cresent Hardy (NV-4) - Conservative state assemblyman. He beat Democrat Steven Horseford in an upset. Democrats already griping that he's a radical.

Mike Bost (IL-12) - Dubbed Meltdown Mike for his explosive defenses of the 2nd Amendment on the floor of the state house, he is going to be giving as much hell to the democrats and RINOs as Steve Stockman did.

Rick Allen (GA-12) – Finally laid to rest hard-to-hit Democrat John Barrow, the last white Democrat in the deep south. Tea endorsed.

Gary Palmer (AL-6) - Seizing the seat held by retiring RINO Spencer Bachus is a solid Alabama conservative.

French Hill (AR-2) – Retiring representative Tim Griffin had a pathetic conservative rating of 52%. Hill was Tea Party endorsed and won a narrow race against the rat.

Lt. Col. Steve Russell (OK-5) – Replacing Boehner acolyte James Lankford who won the senate race for the seat of retiring Tom Coburn, Russell will be much more likely to buck the establishment.

John Moolenaar (MI-4) – Replacing retiring Dave Camp, who scored a pathetic 50% with Heritage, Moolenaar has a solid record behind him and was Tea endorsed.

Glenn Grothman (WI-6) – Retiring Tom Petri was a little too cozy with the establishment. Grothman is a hair on fire conservative who the dems absolutely despise and he just won by over ten points.

Johnny Tacherra (CA-16)??? - Seems on course to unseat Democrat incumbent Jim Costa in an upset nobody saw coming. He comes out of the Tim Donnelly school of California right wing thought. This one is NOT yet secure, and Costa will likely try to steal it with provisionals.

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-06   21:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: out damned spot (#8)

Also big news is Texas 23. Heavy Hispanic district stretching from San Antonio to South Texas. Long time seat holder Gallego (D) defeated by African-American Hurd (R).

Gov elect Greg Abbott took 44% of the Hispanic/Latino vote, and a plurality of Latino male vote.

The entire Texas Ground Zero Dem effort folded.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-06   22:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter (#6)

All I can say is that I hope Goldie enjoys reading their smut. I won't miss it!

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-07   5:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: redleghunter (#9)

How is Abbot on illegal immigration?

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-07   5:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: out damned spot (#8)

Viennacon

Isn't he/she a Freeper?

Nice list, looks like a lot of less than desirables got the boot. The one that gave me the most joy was Brat who took down Cantor then won the general!

Thanx Spot

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-07   6:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: out damned spot (#10)

I may be wrong but I don't think she has been paying much attention to what is going on over there. And then when she does she seems to stick her foot in her mouth.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-07   7:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: out damned spot, AKA Stone, redleghunter, hondo68 (#0)

Tillis, considered by some conservatives during the GOP primary to be an “establishment“ candidate, brought such Republicans in for his general election bid as former president Mitt Romney, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to the state.

The Poisoned Well

When the obituary is written for the Republican Party, the COD will be listed as, 'parasitic infection'. You know of what I speak. The consultant class that has been in full control of the GOP for fifteen years. They are parasites. They have made billions of dollars acting as middle men between the worst politicians America has to offer and the SPECTRE-esque Chamber of Commerce, and today they poisoned the well so much, it is unlikely more than 30% of the country would ever vote Republican in any federal election for the next millennium.

After a victory that prevented Beacon-approved and Mike Lee endorsed obstetrician Greg Brannon from being given the chance to represent conservatives in the US Senate, the establishment class did a victory lap with some of the most vile and toxic rhetoric to date, pledging to double their efforts to crush the Tea Party across the country. Thom Tillis, the Obamacare- supporting Speaker of the House in North Carolina won his primary without having to engage in a runoff election, going on to face incumbent Democrat Kay Hagan in the fall.

He deserves to lose. It's not that Hagan deserves anything more than a prison sentence, but Tillis is the quintessential rovian. I hope North Carolinians are pleased with their moronic decision to send another John McCain to the senate, I really do.

"If you enjoyed watching me increase tolls, wait till you see me pimp amnesty!"

Is it really any wonder why Tillis is favored by the Chamber of Crony Capitalists? The man has been in bed with telecommunications firms to the point of corruption. It's hard to think of a less principled troll to unseat Kay Hagan. But what's done is done. This is not the broader issue.

The facts are obvious. Since the retirement of Ronald Reagan from political life and the ascension of the Bush dynasty, a very devious band of snake oil salesmen has waltzed onto the control deck of the Republican Party and led it down a path that includes passing leftism, collecting millions of dollars, and then dying a slow political death. These people can easily be confused with the old dinosaur class of establishmentarians who desperate tried to stop Reagan from taking the presidential nomination. These were the voices who supported Howard Baker and other Reagan rivals, and they were the dregs from the Nixon- Ford era. I am convinced they have been relegated to obscurity to make way for a far more dangerous internal threat to the Republican Party. I'm not talking about George Will, I'm talking about the Karl Rove chattering class, pundits, officials, consultants and all.

The last clear opportunity to defeat the establishment decisively in the senate primaries after the loss of Matt Bevin to incumbent liar, Mitch McConnell, is the race in Mississippi where we endorsed Chris McDaniel. In recent polls, he is leading, but we cannot let up.

When the well is poisoned, a heavy stone must be sealed across its access to prevent others from drinking lest they be corrupted too. It's time to begin pushing the stone over the hole, and trap Karl Rove once and for all.

You've Been Reading, The Beacon.

http://conservativebeaconusa.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-poisoned-well.html

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-07   7:05:14 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82 (#14)

He looks pretty good on the issues. Which do you disagree with. They all seem right to me.

Thom Tillis on Budget & Economy
Click here for 2 full quotes on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.
  • Free enterprise is the key to national prosperity. (Sep 2014)
  • Eliminate the Legislature's spending spree mind set. (Dec 2012)

Thom Tillis on Civil Rights
Click here for 3 full quotes on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.
  • Government shouldn't redefine marriage. (Sep 2014)
  • NC's "traditional population" stable while minorities grow. (Jun 2014)
  • Constitutionally define marriage as one man and one woman. (Sep 2011)

Thom Tillis on Corporations
Click here for 2 full quotes on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
  • AdWatch: began working at 15; postponed college until later. (Mar 2014)
  • Reduce the corporate income tax, to attract businesses to NC. (Dec 2012)

Thom Tillis on Crime
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  • Expand prisons so convicted felons serve full sentences. (Dec 2012)
  • Limit use of racial statistics in death penalty cases. (Jul 2012)

Thom Tillis on Drugs
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Education
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Energy & Oil
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  • No subsidies for wind and solar. (Sep 2014)
  • Roll back gas tax increases. (Dec 2012)
  • Use hydraulic fracturing (fracking) for oil & gas extraction. (Jul 2012)

Thom Tillis on Environment
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  • Continuous improvement but without costly regulations. (Dec 2012)

Thom Tillis on Families & Children
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Foreign Policy
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Free Trade
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Government Reform
Click here for 3 full quotes on Government Reform OR background on Government Reform.
  • Photo ID for voting. (Sep 2014)
  • Helped engineer voter ID legislation. (Dec 2013)
  • No new restrictions on independent campaign expenditures. (Jul 2010)

Thom Tillis on Gun Control
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  • Opposes more gun restrictions. (Sep 2014)
  • Concealed carry permits for state parking lots. (May 2013)

Thom Tillis on Health Care
Click here for 4 full quotes on Health Care OR background on Health Care.
  • Repeal ObamaCare; it's not a government responsibility. (Sep 2014)
  • AdWatch: ObamaCare is a disaster. (Jan 2014)
  • AdWatch: TV PAC attack on ObamaCare is a "badge of honor". (Dec 2013)
  • Do everything in our power to undo ObamaCare. (Sep 2013)

Thom Tillis on Homeland Security
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  • Maintain a superior nuclear arsenal. (Sep 2014)

Thom Tillis on Immigration
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  • Protect the borders; prevent illegal entry. (Sep 2014)

Thom Tillis on Jobs
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on Principles & Values
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  • Judeo-Christian values established our government framework. (Sep 2014)
  • A self-made man who grew up in a trailer park. (Aug 2014)
  • Served on town commission; ousted sitting State House Rep. (Mar 2014)
  • "Moral Mondays" are for whining losers who oppose GOP agenda. (Dec 2013)

Thom Tillis on Social Security
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  • Let's find a different approach, a sustainable approach. (Aug 2014)

Thom Tillis on Tax Reform
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  • Repeal estate tax, except real estate & residents. (May 2013)

Thom Tillis on Technology
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Thom Tillis on War & Peace
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  • Too little is known about Syrian rebels to arm them. (Sep 2014)
  • Don't negotiate with Iran, a state sponsor of terror. (Nov 2013)

Thom Tillis on Welfare & Poverty
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    No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.


VoteMatch Responses
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VoteMatch Question & Answer
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Based on these stances:
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Strongly Opposes topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(-5 points on Social scale)
Human life begins at conception: Strongly Opposes topic 1
Require 24-hour information period before abortion: Opposes topic 1
Opposes topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(+2 points on Economic scale)
NC's "traditional population" stable while minorities grow: Opposes topic 2
Strongly Opposes topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(-5 points on Social scale)
Government shouldn't redefine marriage: Strongly Opposes topic 3
Constitutionally define marriage as one man and one woman: Strongly Opposes topic 3
Strongly Favors topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(-5 points on Social scale)
Judeo-Christian values established our government framework: Strongly Favors topic 4
Strongly Opposes topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(+5 points on Economic scale)
Repeal ObamaCare; it's not a government responsibility: Strongly Opposes topic 5
AdWatch: TV PAC attack on ObamaCare is a "badge of honor": Strongly Opposes topic 5
Do everything in our power to undo ObamaCare: Strongly Opposes topic 5
Favors topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(+2 points on Economic scale)
Let's find a different approach, a sustainable approach: Favors topic 6
No opinion on topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(0 points on Economic scale)
(No votes on which to base response)
Favors topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(-3 points on Social scale)
Continuous improvement but without costly regulations: Favors topic 8
Strongly Favors topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(-5 points on Social scale)
Expand prisons so convicted felons serve full sentences: Strongly Favors topic 9
Limit use of racial statistics in death penalty cases: Strongly Favors topic 9
Strongly Favors topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-07   7:30:20 ET  (49 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

How many liars do you know that reside in the political world?

Consider this, he was "FOR" ObamaCare before he was "AGAINST" it.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-07   8:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: out damned spot, redleghunter (#11)

How is Abbot on illegal immigration?

One thing that the national media has largely ignored is that there has been a Tea Party Tsunami in state-level Texas politics.

Open-borders quisling Rick Perry will be replaced by Abbott, who campaigned strongly against the Mexican invasion.

In Texas, the Lieutenant Governor position is actually one of the most powerful ones because he controls which bills get voted on in the Texas Senate. Perry's chosen successor, open-borders quisling David Dewhurst, was kicked out by the Tea Party in the primary and he will now be replaced by a former conservative radio talk show host Dan Patrick, who campaigned on fighting illegal immigration.

In the Texas House, many of the open-borders establishment Republicans were also ousted. John Carona, for example, was replaced by Don Huffines. Huffines campaign focused on the fact that Carona had voted for Perry's so-called 'Dream Act' that gives instate tuition to illegal aliens.

Since Perry has seen which way the wind is blowing, he has pulled a few photo- op stunts like sending National Guard troops to the border to try to get people to forget his open-borders past.

Orthodoxa  posted on  2014-11-07   11:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: out damned spot (#11)

The Texas position on the R side has been strong on border security. But in the months to come we shall see. Perry took hits during his nomination run due to him extending state education benefits to children of illegal immigrants.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-07   12:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Orthodoxa (#17)

Open-borders quisling Rick Perry will be replaced by Abbott, who campaigned strongly against the Mexican invasion.

And he received 44% of the Hispanic vote, of which a plurality of the Hispanic male vote.

So goes to show Texans of all ethnic backgrounds are not thrilled with the invasion.

As you know it helps that Abbott is married to a Mexican-American woman, and converted to her faith.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-11-07   13:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#14)

dangerous internal threat to the Republican Party. I'm not talking about George Will, I'm talking about the Karl Rove chattering class, pundits, officials, consultants and all.

The last clear opportunity to defeat the establishment decisively in the senate primaries after the loss of Matt Bevin to incumbent liar, Mitch McConnell, is the race in Mississippi where we endorsed Chris McDaniel. In recent polls, he is leading, but we cannot let up.

When the well is poisoned, a heavy stone must be sealed across its access to prevent others from drinking lest they be corrupted too. It's time to begin pushing the stone over the hole, and trap Karl Rove once and for all.

Stone seems to be drunk on Carl Rove/Tillis NWO kool-aid.

Many of these elections are lost at the primary stage, so only scum appears on the ballot. Chris McDaniel was knocked out in the primary with voting fraud/corrupt judges in Mississippi by Thad (Cockroach) Cochran the incumbent neocon scumbag.


Chris McDaniel challenges Mississippi Senate runoff


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2014-11-07   13:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: redleghunter (#19)

And he received 44% of the Hispanic vote, of which a plurality of the Hispanic male vote.

So goes to show Texans of all ethnic backgrounds are not thrilled with the invasion.

As you know it helps that Abbott is married to a Mexican-American woman, and converted to her faith.

Indeed, wanting for our nation to remain sovereign and free is not racism, despite the left and Chamber of Commerce crowds' attempts to label it as such.

Hispanic Americans and blacks are among the groups hurt the most by open borders, since the invaders take their jobs and drive down wages for them. Additionally, I know personally many legal latino immigrants and latinos whose families have been American for many generations that really hate being associated with a group of criminals.

When polled, even most Democrats want for our immigration laws to be enforced. This issue is not really a left-right divide, but one between the regular citizens and a ruling class that wants a permanent serf class.

Orthodoxa  posted on  2014-11-07   15:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#12)

Yes and a Breitbarter. :)

out damned spot  posted on  2014-11-07   19:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: redleghunter (#19)

So goes to show Texans of all ethnic backgrounds are not thrilled with the invasion.

I was speaking with a woman from the Philippines, she was livid with Obama. It really angered here that she did everything she was supposed to when she immigrated to America, which was rather difficult (and she had married an American). And now Obama is planning to legalize all the criminals who's first act in America was to break our laws. That really made her mad.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-07   21:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Orthodoxa (#21)

When polled, even most Democrats want for our immigration laws to be enforced. This issue is not really a left-right divide, but one between the regular citizens and a ruling class that wants a permanent serf class.

I do talk with liberals, and a lot of them are also filled with dread over where are nation is headed. You hit the nail on the head about the new divide.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-07   21:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nativist nationalist (#24)

I do talk with liberals, and a lot of them are also filled with dread over where are nation is headed.

And a lot of them still turn out to vote for "their guy" on a regular basis, even though the country is going down the toilet because of "their guy".

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-08   9:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: out damned spot (#22)

I could think of worse places to work. :)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-08   9:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: CZ82 (#25)

And a lot of them still turn out to vote for "their guy" on a regular basis, even though the country is going down the toilet because of "their guy".

Very true. And a lot of us voted for Jorge Arbusto and Juan McAmnesty. We were voting for what seemed the lesser of two evils, even though in 2000 (for example) we had a choice of Pat Buchanan. Had he been elected in 2000 our nation would have avoided a great deal of misfortune.

I am used to being stabbed in the back by the RNC country club types, I fully expect it. I'd like to stab them in the back. The Roman republic was destroyed by the plutocrats, the same thing is happening here. The billionaires are funding the elections, leading to the horrible choices offered by the two parties.

This is a war for the future of America, the billionaires are funding our enemies. It is folly in war to grant safe haven to the enemies logistics, we tried that several times (Korea, Vietnam) with awful results. The billionaires are the Ho Chi Minh trail for the destruction of the historic American nation. You've got to hit your enemies logistics, otherwise you are not serious about winning.

A lot of folks on the left want to jack up taxes on the wealthy, here is a chance to meet them halfway and serve our own objective in the long run. I believe in the free enterprise system, but that is not how the current crop of billionaires made their fortunes. They are much more like an aristocracy living off rents, not from land as in the classic sense, but rents created by the government assigning values to things that our far different than what a free market would value them at. And they see to it that whores get elected to pass the legislation to create those fiat values. Therefore, they are the enemy's logistics.

This is a war, and in war you sometimes need to advance in a direction that is different from what your actual objective is. Look at the map of Alexander's progress into the Persian Empire. He by no means followed the direct path to Susa and Persepolis, sometimes even advancing in the opposite direction. But whichever way he was advancing, he was in reality advancing towards his objective regardless of which way his army was marching. And a lot of that was dictated by logistics, securing his own and disrupting that of Darius. We need to think more in terms of strategy and less of ideology.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-08   10:25:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nativist nationalist (#27)

We were voting for what seemed the lesser of two evils, even though in 2000 (for example) we had a choice of Pat Buchanan. Had he been elected in 2000 our nation would have avoided a great deal of misfortune.

Why do you think more people "didn't" vote for Pat since clearly he was the better candidate?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-09   9:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nativist nationalist (#27)

The billionaires are funding the elections, leading to the horrible choices offered by the two parties.

Until we get rid of their influence that will continue to happen.

Thought you might like to see this, who they are and "supposedly" how they got it -

www.forbes.com/bi llionaires/list/12/#tab:overall

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-09   10:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CZ82 (#28)

Why do you think more people "didn't" vote for Pat since clearly he was the better candidate?

A lot of it seemed to be how much money Jorge Arbusto raised. I had lots of people tell me I needed to support Arbusto because he had raised so much money. Clearly, the ability of a candidate for political office to raise money does not determine how good they will be in that office. It seems much more likely to determine how likely that candidate will be to be bought, or to have sold out.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-09   10:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#29)

Until we get rid of their influence that will continue to happen.

Thought you might like to see this, who they are and "supposedly" how they got it -

Wow, it was not until number 933 that it dropped below 2 billion! I remember when there were two billionaires, Howard Hughes and JP Getty, and both died. Then there was guy named Daniel Ludwig who blew his fortune on a scheme in Brazil.

A lot of the folks on that list host 10K a plate fund raising dinners Obama, the idea of the billionaire who wants the government to leave him alone is a myth. They want the government to rig the game in their favor, either by devaluing the price of labor through illegal immigration, H1B visas and free trade, or bailing out their mistakes, either outright, or by devaluing time with ZIRP.

The biggest welfare queens in the world are on that list.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-09   11:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

Your thoughts on post# 27?

nativist nationalist  posted on  2014-11-09   19:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nativist nationalist (#32)

Your thoughts on post# 27?

This would be a great discussion to have offline over a pint, because there are a lot of pieces to the answer. Your map of Alexander's conquest leads to a discussion of polis itself, and of the sense - or lack thereof - of excessive devotion to some government polity because by random chance one happens to have been born within its borders.

When one reads ancient Greek literature, one sees the ancient Greeks drip of pride for their city state, and speak of their duty to these little entities as being of the highest order of all.

When one looks objectively at what the Greek cities were, though, one realizes that they were all shitholes. So, the Greeks were passionately dedicated to vaunting their own particular little shit hole. That's nice, but roosters do the same thing. Go into the barnyard and listen for the rooster. There he is, crowing from the top of the dungheap, Lord of the Barnyard (in his own eyes anyway), the King of Crap.

When you really start looking at governments and cities and their organization, hygiene and politics, they don't live up to the hype. They're grotty, corrupt, and unhygienic.

For all of their vaunting about their cities, we ought to be able to see that the cities themselves were just cities, nothing to write home about, and that the vaunting was not just a vainglorious waste of time, it was actually pernicious to the Greeks individually; for all of that boasting led to wars to prove the point, and the wars broke all of the cities, and ultimately resulted in the universal weakening of Greece, so that it was conquered by other people (notably, the Romans), who looked down on all of them collectively (justly or no).

I think that the answer is to stop vaunting civics and politics and parties, and start returning to the fundamental truths about what human beings are, what life is, Who is King, what the King's laws are. And then we should compare polities and politics to the King's laws...and find them wanting, and stay firmly aligned with the King over and against all politics that swerve even an inch to the left or the right of the King's Law.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-11-11   10:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nativist nationalist (#30)

It seems much more likely to determine how likely that candidate will be to be bought, or to have sold out.

Bingo!

Gotta have all those lobbyists.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-11-12   20:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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